Dazzle Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) I don't know what the standards are to classify Green as an "above average NHL coach". He produced a worse win rate than Willie Desjardins, who almost everyone here will agree had terrible rosters to work with (sans his first year) I don't know what world we live in where losing record would make them seem like a good coach. They have almost identical stats to each other. Desjardins had one good season. Green's last year had the best roster. They are both mediocre coaches. Willie Desjardins Edited June 19, 2023 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 27 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: The team has been garbage under 5 coaches going back to AV and you’re still blaming coaching. Even funnier you mention player development was awful yet gloss over making the Calder Cup finals… Marky was arguably the best player in the AHL that year. There isn't really another NHL'er on that roster. You could say that's a positive for Green that he took a talent-less roster to a Calder Cup Final, but you could also say he played a part in the lack of development. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Pears said: So, again, why were we one of the best teams in the NHL for a 50 game stretch with one of the winningest regular season coaches ever, who had the exact same roster that Green had? Ignoring his record the following season was worse than Greens including a 0-6-1 start and getting fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dazzle said: I don't know what the standards are to classify Green as an "above average NHL coach". He produced a worse win rate than Willie Desjardins, who almost everyone here will agree had terrible rosters to work with (sans his first year) I don't know what world we live in where losing record would make them seem like a good coach. They have almost identical stats to each other. Desjardins had one good season. Green's last year had the best roster. They are both mediocre coaches. Willie Desjardins That is ignoring a whole lot of context. And if the roster is so “good” why is the team still garbage 2 coaches later, including a HoF caliber coach? Edited June 19, 2023 by canuck73_3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said: Marky was arguably the best player in the AHL that year. There isn't really another NHL'er on that roster. You could say that's a positive for Green that he took a talent-less roster to a Calder Cup Final, but you could also say he played a part in the lack of development. A goalie can only carry you so much, coaching plays a role to get that far too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said: Marky was arguably the best player in the AHL that year. There isn't really another NHL'er on that roster. You could say that's a positive for Green that he took a talent-less roster to a Calder Cup Final, but you could also say he played a part in the lack of development. It depends.....Take for example the Chicago Wolves. Winners of multiple Calder Cups but I wouldn't say those teams were chock full of NHLers. They were full of AHL vets/hired guns because that's what that AHL affiliate goal was (less so for developing prospects). A team full of AHL veterans will generally eat alive a squad of "top prospects" because they are fully grown/matured men. No different (imho) than the worst team in the NFL playing against the top ranked college team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 hours ago, chon derry said: Relic always won. He had the biggest log. However Chevy didn't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Pears said: So, again, why were we one of the best teams in the NHL for a 50 game stretch with one of the winningest regular season coaches ever, who had the exact same roster that Green had? Same reason as this year, coaching bump and hot streak through the weakest part of the schedule. Team is great when there is no pressure to win. How did he do at the beginning of the year or do we only pay attention during hot streaks. Problem with this team is above coaching it was JB and continues to be FA. FA has been incredibly generous as an owner but the constant win now philosophy is killing us. Blaming coaches is easier though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Think he will do fine as an assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 it's a shame he didn't go to calgary or toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: Think he will do fine as an assistant. I think he’ll do fine in his next head coach role too, the fact people don’t think he can learn and grow from his stint here is beyond ridiculous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 I think Travis likes the Hughes family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 4 hours ago, King Heffy said: Management has done a good job but Green has proven that he lacks the intelligence and professionalism necessary to coach men. This is a terrible hire. They lost Severson, upped Bratt, probably lose Graves, and trading Sharangovic. Not sure how their going to be improving with this transition. They maybe taking a step back by losing so much talent. Then add Green? He's a non factor imo, again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: They lost Severson, upped Bratt, probably lose Graves, and trading Sharangovic. Not sure how their going to be improving with this transition. They maybe taking a step back by losing so much talent. Then add Green? He's a non factor imo, again. They are bringing in Hughes and Nemec and Meier took Sharongovivh’s space. may be some youthful struggles but that is a lot of talent moving in. Edited June 19, 2023 by DrJockitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Scotty Bowman could not win with those teams. he's number 14 on the winningest percentage-including dudes that coached 1 game. The coach with the twenty second best winning percentage in NHL history couldn't win with those teams--- unless it was a few months before the play offs, then the wins came easy- because it no longer mattered. https://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/NHL_stats.html of note Rick Tochett is at 197 on the list with .485 Willlie finished tied for 190 .487 Av .585 Travis Green .478 Edited June 19, 2023 by Gurn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Thank you NJ! Good luck NJ and Green! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuck1991 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 the bubble run was backed by great goaltending. Green is a decent coach. good to see him back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Dazzle said: I don't know what the standards are to classify Green as an "above average NHL coach". He produced a worse win rate than Willie Desjardins, who almost everyone here will agree had terrible rosters to work with (sans his first year) I don't know what world we live in where losing record would make them seem like a good coach. They have almost identical stats to each other. Desjardins had one good season. Green's last year had the best roster. They are both mediocre coaches. Willie Desjardins I find it hilarious when you contrast that with what people were saying about Green before he took over, hailing him as a savior, genius development guru. It was pure fiction people were making up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Pears said: So, again, why were we one of the best teams in the NHL for a 50 game stretch with one of the winningest regular season coaches ever, who had the exact same roster that Green had? Why did the exact same roster fail to perform under one of winningest regular season coaches ever this season? Coaching can only make so much of a difference, talent matters a lot more. You are only as good as your record says you are. A lot of teams records would look much better if you chose to take the best 50 game sample size. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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