stawns Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, KirkSave said: Hot Take: By the time Matthews new deal winds down, he will be as bald as a bowling ball. AND STILL NO CUPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! c'mon, he looks like a solid D Cup in that pic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Citizen Erased Posted August 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2023 46 minutes ago, KirkSave said: Hot Take: By the time Matthews new deal winds down, he will be as bald as a bowling ball. AND STILL NO CUPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Since'82 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Overpaid but this seems to be the way teams should structure all new deals. 18yrs-21yrs old elc then bridge 4 years, then best salary they can offer and player accepts for four year term max! Player gets their money and if they fall off a cliff then there should be only 1-2 years left before that happens. Player ends up only 29 and next contract is based solely on whether they have fallen off or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Who could you get with AM and Tavares money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Who could you get with AM and Tavares money? Garland, Myers and future considerations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Who could you get with AM and Tavares money? miller Ep hughes with a tad over 1mill left over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Since'82 said: Overpaid but this seems to be the way teams should structure all new deals. 18yrs-21yrs old elc then bridge 4 years, then best salary they can offer and player accepts for four year term max! Player gets their money and if they fall off a cliff then there should be only 1-2 years left before that happens. Player ends up only 29 and next contract is based solely on whether they have fallen off or not. I do like the idea of shorter contracts for sure. This eight year stuff is crap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Well way to much for a guy who can't get his team to the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 7 hours ago, cripplereh said: Well way to much for a guy who can't get his team to the cup. Maybe. But AM has the most superb man bag in sports. Imagine how he could afford to bedazzle that bag now! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 13 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said: Who could you get with AM and Tavares money? 1 bedroom + den 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 20 hours ago, cripplereh said: Well way to much for a guy who can't get his team to the cup. McDavid hasn't gotten his team to the Cup either... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 On 8/23/2023 at 2:21 PM, King Heffy said: Setting him up to cash in on another huge payday. Toronto absolutely caved yet again. I don't know why superstars sign long term deals AM is smart. He will most likely jump to the top as the highest paid player again in 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 On 8/24/2023 at 9:00 PM, Since'82 said: Overpaid but this seems to be the way teams should structure all new deals. 18yrs-21yrs old elc then bridge 4 years, then best salary they can offer and player accepts for four year term max! Player gets their money and if they fall off a cliff then there should be only 1-2 years left before that happens. Player ends up only 29 and next contract is based solely on whether they have fallen off or not. How is he overpaid ? Any 60 goal scoring star his age on a 4 year deal would get this kind of cap hit. He is fairly paid. Making wisecracks about him because he's on a team you hate and hasn't won the cup has nothing to do with what he is worth. Almost any team in the league would take him for 4 years at this money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 hour ago, dougieL said: McDavid hasn't gotten his team to the Cup either... No but McDavid is the best player in the world so reason to bring up his name. He is miles ahead of Mathews and EP. If he got a new deal would be highest it could be at that time he signed and deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 2 hours ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: How is he overpaid ? Any 60 goal scoring star his age on a 4 year deal would get this kind of cap hit. He is fairly paid. Making wisecracks about him because he's on a team you hate and hasn't won the cup has nothing to do with what he is worth. Almost any team in the league would take him for 4 years at this money. Problem is he's not a 60-goal scorer anymore. He's a 40-goal scorer living off a career year and using that to get paid even more than McDavid. If he never breaks 40 goals ever again then he will have one of the worst contracts in the NHL... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 23 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Problem is he's not a 60-goal scorer anymore. He's a 40-goal scorer living off a career year and using that to get paid even more than McDavid. If he never breaks 40 goals ever again then he will have one of the worst contracts in the NHL... Again, all the metrics point towards him doing just fine for a very long period of time. Literally the league's best player in multiple facets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 (edited) On 8/24/2023 at 8:08 AM, Elias Pettersson said: Oh Bob, you really fell into my trap didn’t you? I knew you would bring up Ovechkin cause he’s the only guy with a similar regression that I can remember. But bringing up Ovechkin actually proves my point. Ovechkin had 4 100+ point seasons and peaked at age 25. After that he’s never hit 90 points again until age 36. He also peaked with his scoring at quite an early age. He peaked at 23 years old with 65 goals and never hit 60 again. Sounds familiar? Matthews, like Ovechkin, has already peaked. I doubt he ever scored 60 goals and 100 points ever again. That’s gonna be pretty horrible for a guy who’s the highest paid player in NHL history. So unless you think Auston Matthews will be like Ovechkin, scoring 50 goals into his 30’s, whoever signs him to that 8 year deal at age 31 is going to wanna find the nearest bridge. I feel like I had this discussion before, but how has Matthews reached his peaked, when he’s only a year older than Pettersson, who you think hasn’t reached his potential yet? Peak years for a NHL player is usually 26-30. Edited August 26, 2023 by shiznak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, shiznak said: I feel like I had this discussion before, but how has Matthews reached his peaked, when he’s only a year older than Pettersson, who you think hasn’t reached his potential yet? Peak years for a NHL player is usually 26-30. Peak years are 24-28 for most players. Not sure how you are getting age 30. There are the odd players who peak later, but most are in the 24-28 age range. Petey is just entering his prime at age 25. Matthews is still only 26 but has already regressed drastically from his 60-goal season, to now being a 40-goal scorer. Petey just had a career year at age 24 just like Matthews did. This season should demonstrate the career paths of both players. If Petey is hitting over 102 points this year, then he still has room to get better. If Matthews continues on his trajectory of being a 40-goal scorer, then we know that he has already peaked similar to Ovechkin. At the end of the day, Matthews is being paid to be a 60-goal scorer, which is what people seem to think he is. So, if he hits 60 goals again this year, then I will admit I am wrong about him. If he continues to score 40 goals per year, then he is not worth anything near his new contract and it will age horribly. But the Leafs probably don't care if they are paying $13.25 million for a 40-goal scorer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 2 hours ago, cripplereh said: No but McDavid is the best player in the world so reason to bring up his name. He is miles ahead of Mathews and EP. If he got a new deal would be highest it could be at that time he signed and deserved. Okay so then you concede that bringing his team a Cup is not the only measure of what that player should be paid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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