Sean Monahan Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just now, suitup said: Ohhh... really? It says 30 on NHL.com and Wikipedia though? Drafted 2004 and +3 year at 2006-2007 correct? Born in December of 79, drafted in 04- he would've turned 25 a few months after being drafted. His first draft eligible year would've been '98 I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just now, Sean Monahan said: Born in December of 79, drafted in 04- he would've turned 25 a few months after being drafted. His first draft eligible year would've been '98 I guess. Oh whoops. Totally misread your post. I thought you said he had 27 points haha. But yes, I just realized/remembered now, thanks! So I guess Franzen would not be a good example. Certainly hope Jake won't have to take as long! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 A better comparable might be Bertuzzi. Drafted in '93, didn't play in the NHL until 3 years after his draft, in which he put up 39 points in 76 games. When the Islanders traded him to Vancouver in the '97-'98 season, he had only 18 points in 52 games for the Islanders at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) If you want to take a more relevant career to compare to Jake's, Dustin Brown's might be that. While he put up way more points in the AHL (I'd give a decent amount of consideration to the team he was playing on vs what Jake is, though, especially since that was the lock-out year, so there would have been more talent to play with in the AHL), he didn't exactly light it up in the first 2 seasons of his career Drafted in the 2003 entry draft, 2003-04 Los Angeles Kings NHL 31 1 4 5 16 0 -- -- -- -- -- 2004-05 Manchester Monarchs AHL 79 29 45 74 96 7 6 5 2 7 10 2005-06 Los Angeles Kings NHL 79 14 14 28 80 -10 -- -- -- -- -- 2006-07 Los Angeles Kings NHL 81 17 29 46 54 -21 -- -- -- -- -- 2007-08 Los Angeles Kings NHL 78 33 27 60 55 -13 -- -- -- -- -- 2008-09 Los Angeles Kings NHL 80 24 29 53 64 -15 -- -- -- -- -- 2009-10 Los Angeles Kings NHL 82 24 32 56 41 -6 6 1 4 5 6 2010-11 Los Angeles Kings NHL 82 28 29 57 67 17 6 1 1 2 6 2011-12 Los Angeles Kings NHL 82 22 32 54 53 18 20 8 12 20 34 Edited December 28, 2016 by Psycho_Path 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 I would be thrilled if Jared turned out to be a Dustin Brown player. Although that is even becoming a stretch nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: I would be thrilled if Jared turned out to be a Dustin Brown player. Although that is even becoming a stretch nowadays. I think you're being a bit dramatic. With better ice time and linemates and if they ever put him back on the left side he could reach Dustin Brown numbers easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: I would be thrilled if Jared turned out to be a Dustin Brown player. Although that is even becoming a stretch nowadays. That would be amazing for sure. 4 minutes ago, NEON.KNEE said: I think you're being a bit dramatic. With better ice time and linemates and if they ever put him back on the left side he could reach Dustin Brown numbers easily. Well not necessarily. On top of his offensive output, Dustin Brown has a very strong two-way game, playing all 200 feet and constantly being a big penalty killer for the Kings throughout his career. Brown's hard hitting game is not only well reputed, but has never gotten him suspended besides an elbow in 2013. On top of that, he has never taken very many penalties and instead, has actually drawn the most penalties in 5 of 7 post lockout seasons. Also has leadership material that saw him captain the LA Kings to two Stanley Cups with one of them being their first ever. While being able to in an offensive output of 5 seasons with no less than 53 points, and 6 if you count his 52 point paced half lockout season with 29 points in 46 games. From what we can see of Jake so far, we'd be happy if he hit 40pts+ a season with a hard hitting game that would probably see him take a bunch of penalties and some pretty good defensive work. Probably won't see him wearing a C or an A either, which is not a big deal since we have plenty of players gunning for it already. All this is kind of different from Brown, but if he could be a Brown-lite, that would be great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 On 12/25/2016 at 1:31 PM, The Rattler said: You didn't see Linden play, otherwise, you wouldn't be saying that. You didn't see things like Linden in his rookie year taking a D zone faceoff with one minute left to play, protecting a one goal lead, and directing veteran players on where to position themselves. Trust me, Linden was well above average right from the start. Yup, I grew up and started watching hockey in the 80s, saw Linden's whole career.. Different era and the nucks had a lot of below average players (including the vets) back then as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 49 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: I would be thrilled if Jared turned out to be a Dustin Brown player. Jared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just now, NHL'er said: Jared? Meant Jake. Auto correct strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Nah, he's still hung up on McCann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Alflives said: You need one of JB's special blue and green Koolaide suckers. The fentanyl suckers the military used in Afghanistan are far better, unless those are the suckers JB has... Now it all makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 16 hours ago, suitup said: What I'm trying to say is that I don't think PWF's necessarily take longer to develop and is a myth around here that should be debunked. Maybe it's true for some but definitely not always the case. Which is why I don't really like that being used as an excuse for Jake around here. However, I'm also on board on giving him time to see what he can become. Again, I just don't buy into that whole "PWFs take longer" myth. That's all in trying to say. A lot of PWF'S take more time to develop. Not all of them. I never claimed it's a hard and fast rule with every single, large PWF. And it of course varies depending on the individual player their situation, team, etc. Virtanen, for example, hasn't got a lot of other top 6 quality team mates in Utica... yet. Another reason I hope he's there for at least part of next year as well. Hopefully Zuhkenov, Jasek etc (come on Hischier!) help that next year. Even many of your better examples who were 'decent' players in their early 20's made an obvious leap once they hit 22/23'ish (some even later). It's not an 'excuse', it's simply a common trend, even with the cream is the crop, that they simply take longer to fully adapt their game and bodies to the NHL level. Agreed with giving him time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Hopefully he comes back playing hard after the Christmas break. He was absolutely flying in the last game and there really wasn't anyone on the ice who could keep up. I'd like to see him use his teammates more, but when he is carrying the puck hard into the zone the way he has been lately, a shot on net is still a good play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 28 minutes ago, J.R. said: That's all in trying to say. A lot of PWF'S take more time to develop. Not all of them. I never claimed it's a hard and fast rule with every single, large PWF. And it of course varies depending on the individual player their situation, team, etc. Virtanen, for example, hasn't got a lot of other top 6 quality team mates in Utica... yet. Another reason I hope he's there for at least part of next year as well. Hopefully Zuhkenov, Jasek etc (come on Hischier!) help that next year. Even many of your better examples who were 'decent' players in their early 20's made an obvious leap once they hit 22/23'ish (some even later). It's not an 'excuse', it's simply a common trend, even with the cream is the crop, that they simply take longer to fully adapt their game and bodies to the NHL level. Agreed with giving him time. Is Herchier able to play in the AHL next season, or does he have to go back to junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Is Herchier able to play in the AHL next season, or does he have to go back to junior. AHL as far as I know as he's playing in Euro league, not junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.R. said: AHL as far as I know as he's playing in Euro league, not junior. ?? He's playing in the Q for Halifax, but EP has him listed as on loan so I believe that makes him eligible for the AHL next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said: ?? He's playing in the Q for Halifax, but EP has him listed as on loan so I believe that makes him eligible for the AHL next year. Thanks for the correction. Thought I remembered him playing in Europe but I guess it was on loan. Either way, AHL eligible I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted December 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Yeah, I don't necessarily feel that Virtanen requires development time because if the type of player he is (power forward). Seems more a case of the type of individual he is (and also to some extent his injury history and development setbacks). A lot of it seems to be Virtanen's personal physical and mental development. His fitness and conditioning has been a work in progress but I have little doubt he can get there eventually. With the right training program, good icetime, and a healthy commitment from the player himself, Virtanen should be able to get his body where it needs to be. On the mental side, it's all about maturity, dedication, confidence, and consistency. Again, I believe he will get there. He's a good kid and he has a lot of positive personality traits. But he's not a Horvat type (who seemed like a 30-year-old veteran at age 19). Jake's just much more of a "kid" mentally (and all that implies). So a year (or even two) in Utica should go a long way towards him finding his "man's game" and becoming a true professional on and off the ice. The god given talent is there. He has the potential to be a truly dominant player who can change the game individually on his shifts (either through scoring or physical play). And the areas where he needs to improve are exactly the types of things that proper development time should sort out. The only other thing potentially missing right now is finding another high talent, creative, playmaking centreman who can come in and build chemistry with Virtanen. Ideally that player comes in the next draft and is on the type of development curve where his NHL timeline fits neatly with Virtanen's, and they can hit their prime years together. With some luck, they can form a forward pair that gives the Canucks the foundation for a young, effective, physical, and dynamic scoring line (in addition to what we hopefully have already with Baer and Bo and potentiallly Boeser becoming the new third "B"). Edited December 28, 2016 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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