JM_ Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Zhukini said: Jake on the left wing with Petey and Boeser has already been done, tried and didn't work though. Jake has done everything from losing a ton of weight to hiring a puck handling/skills coach in the summer and the results have always been about the same. What else can he do? At this point I think the thought of him being a top 6 is almost out the window. Just let him be that 3rd line forward and have anything else be a bonus. If he was drafted in the 2nd round like someone was suggesting, there would be no problem with his development for how long? a few shifts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: for how long? a few shifts? And what does that say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zhukini said: And what does that say. It says exactly what Green already said - he thinks Virtanen can work there but he needs to be taught how to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, nzan said: It says exactly what Green already said - he thinks Virtanen can work there but he needs to be taught how to do so. Ok cool I look forward to him scoring 25 next season on that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zhukini said: Ok cool I look forward to him scoring 25 next season on that line. Honestly, he could probably hit 20. Thats still a long way from good 1st line production, but if he could give the other two some space and ability to create while they bounce in shots off his a$$, I’ll take it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 If it saves Jim Benning from being Jim Benning and signing that floater Jordan Eberle to some stupid contract I'll take it too 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 42 minutes ago, Zhukini said: And what does that say. that Green is impatient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: that Green is impatient? Didn’t we have a problem with how he was coached in Calgary in the WHL as well? And with both world junior team coaches for the two years? And with Willie? Travis too? At what point is it not a coaching problem, and rather he is what he is? Edited May 14, 2019 by Zhukini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted May 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Zhukini said: Didn’t we have a problem with how he was coached in Calgary in the WHL as well? And with both world junior team coaches for the two years? And with Willie? Travis too? At what point is it not a coaching problem, and rather he is what he is? I think there's a tendency today with coaches and fans to want to rush players. Jake is on a more typical curve and has been improving every year in all aspects of his game. I don't think Green is particularly patient when it comes to full line chemistry, no. He seems to like the idea of line pairings (which I'm basing off an interview of his, he mentioned liking pairs of players), two guys left to gel with the 3rd spot open for him to make changes on the fly. Thats not a great position to be in for a young player imo, it forces them to have instant chemistry while the other two get time to gel. At least thats how I see Green. And he's had some success with that model, but its not going to be ideal for everyones development. I'd much rather he just leave Jake-EP-Bo and Pearson-Bo-Loui together for a few weeks and let them develop two solid lines with a bit of time to learn off each other. Its not going to happen in 3 shifts. Willie was just an bad coach. Edited May 14, 2019 by Jimmy McGill 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Zhukini said: Didn’t we have a problem with how he was coached in Calgary in the WHL as well? And with both world junior team coaches for the two years? And with Willie? Travis too? At what point is it not a coaching problem, and rather he is what he is? When he gets a coach thinking european. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think there's a tendency today with coaches and fans to want to rush players. Jake is on a more typical curve and has been improving every year in all aspects of his game. I don't think Green is particularly patient when it comes to full line chemistry, no. He seems to like the idea of line pairings (which I'm basing off an interview of his, he mentioned liking pairs of players), two guys left to gel with the 3rd spot open for him to make changes on the fly. Thats not a great position to be in for a young player imo, it forces them to have instant chemistry while the other two get time to gel. At least thats how I see Green. And he's had some success with that model, but its not going to be ideal for everyones development. I'd much rather he just leave Jake-EP-Bo and Pearson-Bo-Loui together for a few weeks and let them develop two solid lines with a bit of time to learn off each other. Its not going to happen in 3 shifts. Willie was just an bad coach. Could not agree more. Jake just needs to play a simple game with Petey and Boes. Forecheck hard, get the puck, pass it off, go to the front of the net, get open for the occasional shot. He has all the tools to be successful at it, just needs to have it ingrained in him until it's second nature. The amount of time it takes for that to happen is different for everyone. Green does need to give lines some time to gain chemistry and actually stick with them. Goldobin - Petterson - Ericsson was a great line to start the season and we rarely saw it afterwards. Short of signing another forward and Baertschi being healthy to start the season, your proposed top 6 is what I would like to see for a few games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 So is Jake a left winger next season? I hope it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 3:15 PM, Petey Castiglione said: Could not agree more. Jake just needs to play a simple game with Petey and Boes. Forecheck hard, get the puck, pass it off, go to the front of the net, get open for the occasional shot. He has all the tools to be successful at it, just needs to have it ingrained in him until it's second nature. The amount of time it takes for that to happen is different for everyone. Green does need to give lines some time to gain chemistry and actually stick with them. Goldobin - Petterson - Ericsson was a great line to start the season and we rarely saw it afterwards. Short of signing another forward and Baertschi being healthy to start the season, your proposed top 6 is what I would like to see for a few games. Virt's one I can see going the way of Eaves: blue collar player who can do the dirty work of whatever line he's on. If he can follow that, can you imagine how much in demand he'd be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 1:15 PM, Jimmy McGill said: I think there's a tendency today with coaches and fans to want to rush players. Jake is on a more typical curve and has been improving every year in all aspects of his game. I don't think Green is particularly patient when it comes to full line chemistry, no. He seems to like the idea of line pairings (which I'm basing off an interview of his, he mentioned liking pairs of players), two guys left to gel with the 3rd spot open for him to make changes on the fly. Thats not a great position to be in for a young player imo, it forces them to have instant chemistry while the other two get time to gel. At least thats how I see Green. And he's had some success with that model, but its not going to be ideal for everyones development. I'd much rather he just leave Jake-EP-Bo and Pearson-Bo-Loui together for a few weeks and let them develop two solid lines with a bit of time to learn off each other. Its not going to happen in 3 shifts. Willie was just an bad coach. AV changed a lot of lines though too. I remember so many people being frustrated with AV line shuffling like he's in a dance club. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, The Lock said: AV changed a lot of lines though too. I remember so many people being frustrated with AV line shuffling like he's in a dance club. lol Yeah but at least it made sense sometimes. I don't think i'll ever forget "1st line Megna" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 11:03 AM, Jimmy McGill said: Yeah but at least it made sense sometimes. I don't think i'll ever forget "1st line Megna" I think a lot of that you can chalk up to 'lack of options'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 1:15 PM, Jimmy McGill said: I think there's a tendency today with coaches and fans to want to rush players. Jake is on a more typical curve and has been improving every year in all aspects of his game. I don't think Green is particularly patient when it comes to full line chemistry, no. He seems to like the idea of line pairings (which I'm basing off an interview of his, he mentioned liking pairs of players), two guys left to gel with the 3rd spot open for him to make changes on the fly. Thats not a great position to be in for a young player imo, it forces them to have instant chemistry while the other two get time to gel. At least thats how I see Green. And he's had some success with that model, but its not going to be ideal for everyones development. I'd much rather he just leave Jake-EP-Bo and Pearson-Bo-Loui together for a few weeks and let them develop two solid lines with a bit of time to learn off each other. Its not going to happen in 3 shifts. Willie was just an bad coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, aGENT said: I think a lot of that you can chalk up to 'lack of options'. for coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: for coaches? that too. But really, that roster was after injuries. Twins needed someone with speed/puck retrieval/board play etc, WD also needed to attempt to fashion something resembling two scoring lines/spread offensive players around... it was not an enviable task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, aGENT said: that too. But really, that roster was after injuries. Twins needed someone with speed/puck retrieval/board play etc, WD also needed to attempt to fashion something resembling two scoring lines/spread offensive players around... it was not an enviable task. oh well at least we didn't have to witness 4th line Kovalchuk, thats gotta hurt more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now