Popular Post -SN- Posted August 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2015 wow people really don't understand how good Hanzal is here lol. I can only assume you're trolling. Stop. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) If you as a GM was offered Martin Hanzal for Jake Virtanen you take it easily. Garunteed NHL player putting up great numbers > Prospect that can be a bust. Edited August 16, 2015 by Gyllenhaal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 wow people really don't understand how good Hanzal is here lol. Hanzal is a good player. One of my favourite on the Coyotes. But it's the Coyotes.... Virtanen has Cam Neely potential. You don't trade that for a 30 pt producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Hanzal is a good player. One of my favourite on the Coyotes. But it's the Coyotes....Virtanen has Cam Neely potential. You don't trade that for a 30 pt producer.Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I'm not sure i see a 30 goal season in Virtanen let alone a 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I can only assume you're trolling. Stop. Sad thing is he's not. He probably still considers Jensen our top prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uselessstats Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I'm not sure i see a 30 goal season in Virtanen let alone a 50. Well Neely himself wouldn't score 50 in today's NHL so I'm not sure that is what the poster is really expecting but I do agree even that is likely too optimistic. Perhaps he was more referring to Neely's 'style' of physicality and goal production rather than the 'level'. I personally see Jake more in the Chris Kreider mould of speed+physicality who can produce 20-25 goals on a regular basis and maybe reach 30 in the odd year. Still a player I'd much rather have than a 28-year old defensive 3C who anchors the bottom 6 but does nothing for the top 6. That's a role I'd rather leave open for Cole Cassels than trade a kid like Jake for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Well Neely himself wouldn't score 50 in today's NHL so I'm not sure that is what the poster is really expecting but I do agree even that is likely too optimistic. Perhaps he was more referring to Neely's 'style' of physicality and goal production rather than the 'level'. I personally see Jake more in the Chris Kreider mould of speed+physicality who can produce 20-25 goals on a regular basis and maybe reach 30 in the odd year. Still a player I'd much rather have than a 28-year old defensive 3C who anchors the bottom 6 but does nothing for the top 6. That's a role I'd rather leave open for Cole Cassels than trade a kid like Jake for.I do agree to a certain extent, he's not as rawly skilled as some of his draft class peers. His only hope to gather points in the NHL is through goals. But when you draw up a hockey player, or ask someone who doesn't reallly follow the game what a "hockey player" is, you'll see more people describe a Virtanen than an Ehlers or a Nylander. He's mean. He throws hits. He's cocky. He has the hardest shot of any forward in his age group and can hit the net. With the right supporting cast, he can score as many goals as they serve him up. Also, I see his upside as more like Jeff Carter than Kreider. Just a little more dynamic, a little harder to contain, and a little meaner. Carter has gone from being an explosive offensive dynamo/integral piece on a cup-winner to damn near invisible at different points in his career. Unfortunately I can see Jake being the same way. But at his best, he will be a hell of a player and fun to watch. Thankfully Bo is heralded for his consistency, and can hopefully balance Jake out. Edited August 16, 2015 by nergish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeslerPlaysLikeACanadian Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Cry me a river. If it's best for an unpaid player's development then it should be allowed. In the case of Virtanen, what's to be gained from another year with the Hitman? IMO, not much as he should be playing against men somewhere else. I think they will have him in the pressbox with Kenins to start the year and dole out his 9 games over the first half of the year, put him into world junior, and then send him to the A in the new year. Unless he dominates, which would be amazing. People predicting his goal ceiling aren't imagining him being set up by the Sedins the way I am. But he seems like the perfect example of someone not to send to junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) I think they will have him in the pressbox with Kenins to start the year and dole out his 9 games over the first half of the year, put him into world junior, and then send him to the A in the new year. Unless he dominates, which would be amazing. People predicting his goal ceiling aren't imagining him being set up by the Sedins the way I am. But he seems like the perfect example of someone not to send to junior. Yeah, we have no urgent need to put Jake in the lineup, but he certainly brings intangibles that our team is currently lacking. I think your overall assessment sounds pretty reasonable. He will absolutely play in the NHL, but a 9 game window is far too short for a player like this. They'll stretch it out a little bit and have him practice with the team for the first 1/4. Then maybe he will go back down, but this fan is hoping he sticks like Horvat, cuz we need these guys to be a huge part of our team going forward. Edited August 16, 2015 by nergish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 He can't go to the A until the Hitmen's season is over guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The only reason Horvat went to Utica last year (instead of London) was because he was injured against the Oilers and the Canucks were able to send him down on a conditioning assignment. Virtanen could not go down to Utica unless the same scenario played out... given his injury history, I don't think anyone wants that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I'm not sure i see a 30 goal season in Virtanen let alone a 50. I said 'potential.' I don't think he'll be a 50 goal scorer like Neely; I just think he'll be similarly hard to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keredz Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Wonder if Benning will stick to his word and if Virtanen has a great camp and veteran does not, then he moves the veteran Edited August 16, 2015 by keredz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 He can't go to the A until the Hitmen's season is over guys... This. I can't believe this is something people still don't understand. It's either the big league or back to the Dub this season for Jake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 .... Hanzal>>>>> Virtanen.You would make that trade? You lose all credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Hanzal is a good player. One of my favourite on the Coyotes. But it's the Coyotes....Virtanen has Cam Neely potential. You don't trade that for a 30 pt producer. Unless your GM is George McPhee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Unless your GM is George McPhee. Mike Milbury was good as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutesi Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Hopefully come next year, we won't have to imagine. I'm in what seems to be the minority of people who wants Lucic here next year, so long as the contract isn't nuts. I think he could add a lot even away from his play on the ice. I would be more than happy seeing Lucic mentor Virt. Lucic is slow, has hands of stone. We don't need caveman hockey. What is he going to teach Virtanen? How to spear a player in the pills from behind? run a few goalies? miss open nets? If he was any good, he'd still be in Boston. Edited August 17, 2015 by clutesi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Lucic is slow, has hands of stone. We don't need caveman hockey. What is he going to teach Virtanen? How to spear a player in the pills from behind? run a few goalies? miss open nets? If he was any good, he'd still be in Boston. Virtanen grew up watching Lucic with the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeslerPlaysLikeACanadian Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Yeah, we have no urgent need to put Jake in the lineup, but he certainly brings intangibles that our team is currently lacking. I think your overall assessment sounds pretty reasonable. He will absolutely play in the NHL, but a 9 game window is far too short for a player like this. They'll stretch it out a little bit and have him practice with the team for the first 1/4. Then maybe he will go back down, but this fan is hoping he sticks like Horvat, cuz we need these guys to be a huge part of our team going forward. He can't go to the A until after Christmas, and he can't play in the World Junior if he plays more than 9 games (right?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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