-DLC- Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Be careful what you wish for. He wanted out, had no problem ditching this city/team and went to the enemy and his feelings are now hurt? I don't have any Kleenex left...I used them all when I learned he didn't care to be here and had scoped out a team I hate as a replacement. The sun in California will dry his tears, he's escaping the big bad media and the rain here - he'll be fine. I'm not bitter, but I'm also "over it" and feel he should be too. Made his bed stuff to me. Loyalty is a big deal and "picking" the Ducks? That was where he lost me. Sure - demand to be traded and let the chips fall where they may in allowing the team to benefit from their investment (they'd invested as many years in him as he had here). They gave him a chance/place to shine and stuck with him. Sorry, suck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think some people are romantacizing Kesler's stay here. Yes he played a wicked series against Nashville.... but for every game like that, there were 10 where he got upset or frustrated with things and flopped all over the ice every time someone brushed by him trying to draw a penalty. He was also a huge whiner and one of the main reasons the officials hated us and we got a reputation as a team of divers. Some things to keep in mind: - Right at the start of his career he signed an offer sheet with another team to get an undeserved (at the time) contract. If you are not sure of how offer sheets work, a player gets a contract offer for another team and agrees to put a pen to paper and sign it. It isn't an offer sheet unless the player signs it.... he tried to get out of town and/or blackmail the team for more money right out of the gate. - He signed an extension here when it looked like we were Stanley Cup favourites and were at the very top of the league. He wasn't taking a discount because he loved Vancouver, he was taking one for a good chance at a Cup. - As soon as it looked like we weren't Cup bound anymore he demanded a trade. - He lied about demanding a trade and is still lying about it, saying it was a mutual agreement. Two different GMs have told a different story. - He limited his trade demand to one or two teams, greatly reducing the return for him. Benning, who has been really honest about everything, said repeatedly during that time he was one the phone every day with Kesler's agent trying to work it out. He reportedly had several better offers but Kesler wouldn't waive for those teams. There was serious discussion amongst the brass to tell him to stuff it and report to camp instead. - The team had a players only meeting where they didn't invite him, and decided he shouldn't be an assistant captain. We will never know what happened in that locker room to cause that, but it is a serious reflection of his character that they did that. - He get compensated $30 million dollars for that ten years here... so ya, we have paid for the right to boo him or whatever the hell we want. He can wipe his tears with $1,000 dollar bills to make himself feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 what does he expect when he leaves and says that we aren't close to a Stanley Cup? Exactly! We left us - we didn't get rid of him. Why are we supposed to be happy for him? Sorry, you reap what you sow and he "jacked" some of us fans up with his comments. Sorry, he wasn't Linden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Lol his ego is still so big that he expects that people won't boo him. Delusional he possibly may be. Sorry but when you ask to be traded is an insult to us...dont be surprised Kes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think some people are romantacizing Kesler's stay here. Yes he played a wicked series against Nashville.... but for every game like that, there were 10 where he got upset or frustrated with things and flopped all over the ice every time someone brushed by him trying to draw a penalty. He was also a huge whiner and one of the main reasons the officials hated us and we got a reputation as a team of divers. Some things to keep in mind: - Right at the start of his career he signed an offer sheet with another team to get an undeserved (at the time) contract. If you are not sure of how offer sheets work, a player gets a contract offer for another team and agrees to put a pen to paper and sign it. It isn't an offer sheet unless the player signs it.... he tried to get out of town and/or blackmail the team for more money right out of the gate. - He signed an extension here when it looked like we were Stanley Cup favourites and were at the very top of the league. He wasn't taking a discount because he loved Vancouver, he was taking one for a good chance at a Cup. - As soon as it looked like we weren't Cup bound anymore he demanded a trade. - He lied about demanding a trade and is still lying about it, saying it was a mutual agreement. Two different GMs have told a different story. - He limited his trade demand to one or two teams, greatly reducing the return for him. Benning, who has been really honest about everything, said repeatedly during that time he was one the phone every day with Kesler's agent trying to work it out. He reportedly had several better offers but Kesler wouldn't waive for those teams. There was serious discussion amongst the brass to tell him to stuff it and report to camp instead. - The team had a players only meeting where they didn't invite him, and decided he shouldn't be an assistant captain. We will never know what happened in that locker room to cause that, but it is a serious reflection of his character that they did that. - He get compensated $30 million dollars for that ten years here... so ya, we have paid for the right to boo him or whatever the hell we want. He can wipe his tears with $1,000 dollar bills to make himself feel better. Sorry but some I agree with, some I disagree with and some I just find silly. How was he the main reason "officials hated" the Canucks? If the officials did hate the Canucks (I don't believe they do) but wouldn't a guy like Burrows be the bigger cause of that. Really blaming someone for signing an offer sheet? That is being ridiculous. All players sign offer sheets that pay them significantly more than their team is offering. Its common business practice in the NHL, literally no one is going to turn down an offer sheet. Would you turn down a job if it offered more money than your current one? No and he knew the Canucks had the right to match it so if they didn't match that was on them not him. How do you know that he didn't "love Vancouver"? Things change for players, its possible when he signed the deal that he absolutely loved being a Canuck and wanted to win in Vancouver as well. You are not Kesler so don't assume like you know what his motivations in signing a contract were. I don't even like Kesler and I support the Canucks fans decision to boo him but there is no reason to invent reasons to dislike him, there are plenty of legitimate reasons already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Just heard Kesler post game interview and good job...way to put a guy down that gave it his all here and gave us the best years this franchise has ever seen. Even more pissed now that it came out of Kes's mouth...still don't get why we booed...honestly have some of the dumbest 'fans' at games, it's like they have a brain dysfunction or something. Idk what it is but they sure don't seem like knowledgable hockey fans. ... Idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 In the end I am going to remember what Ryan Kesler did as a Canuck rather than a Duck. Nonetheless fans pay for their tickets and can do whatever the hell they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I wish I could +100000 that. ditto. Like most pathologically self centered people, he has no concept about how his actions are perceived by the people around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumquats Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Suck it up, buttercup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I booed Chris Drury, Danny Briere, and Brian Campbell after they left the Sabres. In his final interview, Campbell asked the fans not to boo him when he came back in another jersey. Needless to say, he got booed all night. Campbell cried too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Handcuffing the team and bailing are things all good team players do. And they should be applauded for doing so. Leaving isn't the problem, how he went about doing it is. Feel free to keep being a White Knight about it though. So are you going to boo Luongo too? This is just another case of "oh ____ hurt my feelings, boo him" that so many fans seem to come down with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 Campbell cried too. It hurt his feelings, but the Buffalo News interviewed him over a year ago and he said he just takes it in stride now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Give me a break. He wanted out, so that's what he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 At least people think enough of him to actually boo him. I would have preferred total apathy and indifference towards him myself. That would have REALLY pissed him off. This. I'm not one for booing players for the most part. (I also don't sarcastically chant a goalie's name.) Certainly don't think we should be booing a player just because he decided to no longer be here for whatever reason, though I do get why people are upset that he's never been honest about demanding a trade or explained. Still, nothing stays the same but change. He moved on and we have to too. What's the point of booing him like pissed off exes just because he didn't want to be with us anymore? We should have a little more self-respect than that and save our booing for players who actually do something to warrant it, like Duncan Keith. That fracker should be booed every second he exists in our sight line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I booooood him all night. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 We are bullies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I thought the booing was classless as frack. Just gives of the vibe that Canuck fans are a bunch of bitter brats. Either that or just common, non-millionaire, sports fans who paid 100's of dollars to watch the game and have a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Either that or just common, non-millionaire, sports fans who paid 100's of dollars to watch the game and have a good time. We have non-millionaire fans at games??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Provost Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Sorry but some I agree with, some I disagree with and some I just find silly. How was he the main reason "officials hated" the Canucks? If the officials did hate the Canucks (I don't believe they do) but wouldn't a guy like Burrows be the bigger cause of that. Really blaming someone for signing an offer sheet? That is being ridiculous. All players sign offer sheets that pay them significantly more than their team is offering. Its common business practice in the NHL, literally no one is going to turn down an offer sheet. Would you turn down a job if it offered more money than your current one? No and he knew the Canucks had the right to match it so if they didn't match that was on them not him. How do you know that he didn't "love Vancouver"? Things change for players, its possible when he signed the deal that he absolutely loved being a Canuck and wanted to win in Vancouver as well. You are not Kesler so don't assume like you know what his motivations in signing a contract were. I don't even like Kesler and I support the Canucks fans decision to boo him but there is no reason to invent reasons to dislike him, there are plenty of legitimate reasons already. I said "one of" the main reasons we were hated by the refs and got the reputation as whiners and divers. You are wrong when you say all players sign a offer sheets. The vast bulk of RFA negotiations are finalized with a reasonable and fair contract between the two parties. Almost every player could get more from another team. You suggest that he "loved Vancouver", who knows... but his actions since have certainly made it clear that it was not one of his primary motivations. Vancouver is still Vancouver, the core of players is still the same... the thing that has changed is that we are no longer a contender he cut bait as fast as he could and decided he didn't want to honour his contract. He said he wanted to go to Anaheim for a chance to win when he was traded... those were his words. I am not reading things into it or making assumptions. "I'm turning 30 [on Aug. 31] and not only do I want to win the Stanley Cup, I want to be a big part of winning the Stanley Cup," Kesler said. "I'm not getting any younger. I want to win a championship. With the direction [Vancouver] is going, I think us and management just made a decision that it was time to move on." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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