Me_ Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I would love to see Lucic on the Canucks but man, a 7 year $49M deal? You've got to be insane to give Lucic that. Is it? That's what it costs to have him on any team, it becomes a good deal. Having Lucic on your team is better than not having Lucic on your team. A seven year term is scary and I don't think a team run by Benning or a player like Lucic would handicap the Canucks like that. If there's already an understanding between the two by de facto of a blatantly obvious eventuality, the term will probably be shorter. I also think the league is finally starting to manage finances a bit better. No one team jumped the gun and paid insane prices for relatively fine players this UFA season. "Big" names are still available almost a week into free agency. Times are changing and term is a bit shorter. What will never change is, having "THE prototypical power forward in the game today" on your team drastically improves your team's chances of winning the Cup. I would personally be fine with seven chances at the Cup with Lucic on the Canucks. $7,000,000/yr at 34 years old. I'm fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Is it? That's what it costs to have him on any team, it becomes a good deal. Having Lucic on your team is better than not having Lucic on your team. A seven year term is scary and I don't think a team run by Benning or a player like Lucic would handicap the Canucks like that. If there's already an understanding between the two by de facto of a blatantly obvious eventuality, the term will probably be shorter. I also think the league is finally starting to manage finances a bit better. No one team jumped the gun and paid insane prices for relatively fine players this UFA season. "Big" names are still available almost a week into free agency. Times are changing and term is a bit shorter. What will never change is, having "THE prototypical power forward in the game today" on your team drastically improves your team's chances of winning the Cup. I would personally be fine with seven chances at the Cup with Lucic on the Canucks. $7,000,000/yr at 34 years old. I'm fine with that. You definitely make some good points, and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying. My only real problem is, Lucic has only got more than 50 points three times (62, 61, and 59). In the shortened season he had 27 points in 46 games. Maybe he could've got 23 more points if it was a full season? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, so he's notched more than 50 points four times (I'm including the shortened season (giving the benefit here)) and so I feel like it would be very foolish (my opinion anyways) to give him $7M per. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Lucic, by all means I think he would be an amazing Canuck (or hopefully he would be) but that's way too much money for a guy who can't consistently put up 50+ points. Ideally first line players should be able to put out 60-70+ points every season, or close to. I would say $5-5.5M, maybe $5.75M would be the best case scenario to grab a guy like Lucic. Here's to wishful thinking anyways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoTambo Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 No to Lucic at that price. I'd rather give Andrew Ladd 4 yrs 17 mill. Better, smarter player, more heart, and a local boy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Yup that's my price too, and depending what he shows this year in LA. Play him with the Sedins as their contract runs out at the same time, then we can decide what to do with him. Good point. That was the same problem / mistake that Benning made when he signed Miller. Lack was already on the books until the end of 2015-16 and would have to have been renewed at a much bigger number before Miller's 3 year contract came up so there would be overlap and a difficult cap situation. Notice how he renewed Markstrom at 2 years so that both Markstrom's and Miller's contracts would be due at the same time. He's going to have to make a decision then but the decision will be based solely on merit and not affected by a contract. I'd rather not have Lucic but at least synchronise the big contracts. If he gave Lucic a longer term, he may not be able to resign the Sedins even if he wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappo1tha8don7 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 6yr 6mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Wouldn't the Canucks be better off signing Seabrook or Karlsson? Karlsson isn't a UFA until 2019 if that's what you meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I think at the deadline we will trade any from 2 to 5 players and Benning will give younger guys play time.I just think we will see us sigings in two to 3 years when we have more young guys on the team!One to replace Vrbata or Hamhuis is all I can see us doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I'd rather offer Stamkos 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Kind of premature. If he does well with LA and likes it there he will be re-signed. If not, his value will decrease. Power forwards are risky. And it's always suspicious when a team trades them. He could end up another Nathan Horton or Ryane Clowe. Why not just sign Chris Stewart for way less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I would love to see Lucic on the Canucks but man, a 7 year $49M deal? You've got to be insane to give Lucic that.I want Lucic but at that term and price? God no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I wouldn't pay him 7 million per year. His play has dropped the past couple of seasons. He's worth nothing more than 5.5 million per year salary cap wise. We can front load the deal all we want, just as long as the cap hit is below 5.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Is it? That's what it costs to have him on any team, it becomes a good deal. Having Lucic on your team is better than not having Lucic on your team. A seven year term is scary and I don't think a team run by Benning or a player like Lucic would handicap the Canucks like that. If there's already an understanding between the two by de facto of a blatantly obvious eventuality, the term will probably be shorter. I also think the league is finally starting to manage finances a bit better. No one team jumped the gun and paid insane prices for relatively fine players this UFA season. "Big" names are still available almost a week into free agency. Times are changing and term is a bit shorter. What will never change is, having "THE prototypical power forward in the game today" on your team drastically improves your team's chances of winning the Cup. I would personally be fine with seven chances at the Cup with Lucic on the Canucks. $7,000,000/yr at 34 years old. I'm fine with that.Who would you say was the prototypical power winger with Chicago or Tampa Bay this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raoul Duke Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Next year our top 6 could look like: Sedin Sedin Lucic Baertschi Horvat Virtanen Imagine if we could land a chychrun in the draft next year.... Yah! Imagine you won lotto max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Karlsson isn't a UFA until 2019 if that's what you meant. Yes, my bad. Besides in a few years we'll have Virtanen, and Boeser, so why not go with the Yutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 He had 8 more points than Chris Higgins last season with 4 more GP. We complain about paying Higgins 2.5 million. Lucic is obviously a completely different player with his physical element, but one could argue the same about Higgins defensive play. He is not a player worth 7 million, maybe a few years ago he was. He is a 3.5 million dollar player skill wise who is worth 5 million because he is big, hits, and fights. I would do 6 years 5 million per, which is good pay for a solid 2nd line player. He is not a franchise level talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Good point. That was the same problem / mistake that Benning made when he signed Miller. Lack was already on the books until the end of 2015-16 and would have to have been renewed at a much bigger number before Miller's 3 year contract came up so there would be overlap and a difficult cap situation. Notice how he renewed Markstrom at 2 years so that both Markstrom's and Miller's contracts would be due at the same time. He's going to have to make a decision then but the decision will be based solely on merit and not affected by a contract. I'd rather not have Lucic but at least synchronise the big contracts. If he gave Lucic a longer term, he may not be able to resign the Sedins even if he wanted to. Don't see that happening. They will transition back to Sweden at the end of these contracts. The final pieces of the old "core" gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck_In_Paradise Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'd hope given that Vancouver is his hometown and that his buddy Trader Jim is here that Milan would take a bit less than 7mil/yr.... not too sure if I'd like to have him here for that as it would set unreal expectations for our youngsters next contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata Lucic-Horvat-Virtanen Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Sadly, you're probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Benning should be fired and never allowed in BC again if that contract happens. In no way should Lucic be making more money than the Sedins. The Sedins are much older and haven't fallen off the way that Lucic has at a younger age. 5M for 2 years is all he's worth at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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