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[Report] Canucks trying to Sign Trymakin

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theminister Canucks All-Star

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9 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Was he the primary scouting resource for Zhukenov then?  Anything about Zaitsev, although it sounds like he's headed to Toronto.

I assume so as he knew all about him. He just spoke about his vision and hockey sense. Commented on his work in the D zone to get the puck out and back, that he understood that aspect of the game. And that he was a kid, a project. 

Didn't ask about Zaitsev. There's only so much to cover over a single cig, and he wasn't really on my radar. I asked about Kamenev because he's in my pool. Said he was the real deal, underrated going into the draft. Should have been a 1st but got hit by biases.

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A lot of people talk about the "transition" to smaller ice.

But "Transition"

IMO, a Dman the size of a tree, who skates like the wind will actually fair far better on a smaller ice surface. 

The only "transition" you will see is the opposing forwards reluctance to stand infront of the net. 

This man is not only big and strong but ugly as well.

Someone you don't want yelling at you anyway. 

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1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

True. Defensemen always mature later than forwards.

And that's the point of mentioning the later round steals for D. Since they mature later they are also harder to predict and you can still find defenceman that may have perceived issues but overcome them as they develop. Plenty of forwards do this as well, but the highest end talent is generally easier to spot as an 18-year old coming into the draft.

1 hour ago, Yukoncanuck87 said:

But then we'll have to place him on waivers. radulov didn't because the NHL cercomvented the rules. And a lot of teams were pissed that Nasville didn't have to put him on waivers. 

The rule (13.23 in the CBA) is that a player who has played for a team overseas once the NHL season has started requires waivers to return to the NHL. We saw this with Calgary trying to offer sheet O'Reilly, and Detroit signing Nabokov. Nabokov was of course claimed by the Isles but Colorado matched the offer sheet for O'Reilly - and since they were the last NHL team O'Reilly played for and still had him on their reserve list, they weren't required to have him pass through waivers.

Radulov was a different case too, where he went to the KHL with a year remaining on his ELC so the Preds suspended him. Tryamkin hasn't had a contract with us and so long as we have him on our reserve list (as the Preds did with Radulov which was the exemption - the CBA also notes the RFA list and we'd most certainly already have Tryamkin on that) then we can sign him and have him play. If we want to play him in Utica first, he can sign a PTO and play there as well.

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7 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

And that's the point of mentioning the later round steals for D. Since they mature later they are also harder to predict and you can still find defenceman that may have perceived issues but overcome them as they develop. Plenty of forwards do this as well, but the highest end talent is generally easier to spot as an 18-year old coming into the draft.

The rule (13.23 in the CBA) is that a player who has played for a team overseas once the NHL season has started requires waivers to return to the NHL. We saw this with Calgary trying to offer sheet O'Reilly, and Detroit signing Nabokov. Nabokov was of course claimed by the Isles but Colorado matched the offer sheet for O'Reilly - and since they were the last NHL team O'Reilly played for and still had him on their reserve list, they weren't required to have him pass through waivers.

Radulov was a different case too, where he went to the KHL with a year remaining on his ELC so the Preds suspended him. Tryamkin hasn't had a contract with us and so long as we have him on our reserve list (as the Preds did with Radulov which was the exemption - the CBA also notes the RFA list and we'd most certainly already have Tryamkin on that) then we can sign him and have him play. If we want to play him in Utica first, he can sign a PTO and play there as well.

Exactly my point. Thank you for seconding that emotion, elvis15.

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1 hour ago, elvis15 said:

And that's the point of mentioning the later round steals for D. Since they mature later they are also harder to predict and you can still find defenceman that may have perceived issues but overcome them as they develop. Plenty of forwards do this as well, but the highest end talent is generally easier to spot as an 18-year old coming into the draft.

The rule (13.23 in the CBA) is that a player who has played for a team overseas once the NHL season has started requires waivers to return to the NHL. We saw this with Calgary trying to offer sheet O'Reilly, and Detroit signing Nabokov. Nabokov was of course claimed by the Isles but Colorado matched the offer sheet for O'Reilly - and since they were the last NHL team O'Reilly played for and still had him on their reserve list, they weren't required to have him pass through waivers.

Radulov was a different case too, where he went to the KHL with a year remaining on his ELC so the Preds suspended him. Tryamkin hasn't had a contract with us and so long as we have him on our reserve list (as the Preds did with Radulov which was the exemption - the CBA also notes the RFA list and we'd most certainly already have Tryamkin on that) then we can sign him and have him play. If we want to play him in Utica first, he can sign a PTO and play there as well.

Thanks Elvis I was looking for that. 

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8 minutes ago, theminister said:

Pedan, Tryamkin, Sbisa, Hutton, added to Tanev and Edler....suddenly not so small and slight anymore. 

Just have to hope we can get some top 4 minutes out of that group down the road. 

So due to WAIVERS our next years D will be something like

 

Hutton/Tanev

Sbisa / Hammer (resign after being traded @ TD this year for a 1st and prospect)

Pedan/Trymkin

Biega (he can go in and out with ease)

Edler  traded for a couple high Draft Picks (1st and a 2nd) and a young Defence prospect

Bart and Weber traded at the TD this year for a couple of 5ths lol

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Realistically the only way to get this done would be through loan by Avto to Canucks for remainder of his KHL contract. If you see original notice from News 1130 Sports, it just says that JB is working on getting Tryamkin over to NA after his KHL season ends...

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7 minutes ago, Stierlitz said:

Realistically the only way to get this done would be through loan by Avto to Canucks for remainder of his KHL contract. If you see original notice from News 1130 Sports, it just says that JB is working on getting Tryamkin over to NA after his KHL season ends...

I'm pretty sure the Canucks can deal directly with Avto to get him released from the end of his contract since it's up this year. If his intention is to come over anyway then it doesn't benefit them to deny it, and I don't think there is a rule forbidding NA clubs from paying KHL clubs for that right. It may be a 'loan' in technicality but it will be a release, with them still holding his KHL rights should he decide to return if not making the NHL next year.

The Canucks will likely be looking for a multi-year deal.

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1 minute ago, theminister said:

I'm pretty sure the Canucks can deal directly with Avto to get him released from the end of his contract since it's up this year. If his intention is to come over anyway then it doesn't benefit them to deny it, and I don't think there is a rule forbidding NA clubs from paying KHL clubs for that right. It may be a 'loan in technicality but it will be a release with them still holding his KHL rights should he decide to return if not making the NHL.

 

 

Yes, and this proves my opinion - Canucks are working with his KHL club. It does not say anything about signing new contract with the NHL club.

NEWS 1130 Sports ‏@NEWS1130Sports 8h8 hours ago

Tryamkin's contract ends on April 30th, but they are working with Yekaterinburg Automobilist to release him after season ends. #Canucks

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2 hours ago, elvis15 said:

And that's the point of mentioning the later round steals for D. Since they mature later they are also harder to predict and you can still find defenceman that may have perceived issues but overcome them as they develop. Plenty of forwards do this as well, but the highest end talent is generally easier to spot as an 18-year old coming into the draft.

The rule (13.23 in the CBA) is that a player who has played for a team overseas once the NHL season has started requires waivers to return to the NHL. We saw this with Calgary trying to offer sheet O'Reilly, and Detroit signing Nabokov. Nabokov was of course claimed by the Isles but Colorado matched the offer sheet for O'Reilly - and since they were the last NHL team O'Reilly played for and still had him on their reserve list, they weren't required to have him pass through waivers.

Radulov was a different case too, where he went to the KHL with a year remaining on his ELC so the Preds suspended him. Tryamkin hasn't had a contract with us and so long as we have him on our reserve list (as the Preds did with Radulov which was the exemption - the CBA also notes the RFA list and we'd most certainly already have Tryamkin on that) then we can sign him and have him play. If we want to play him in Utica first, he can sign a PTO and play there as well.

Still think the Avs screwed themselves by not letting O'Reilly go to the Flames. They would havd gotten their first that year, which turned out to be Sean Monahan. Feaster barrowly avoided a blunder worse then Jankowski.

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9 minutes ago, Stierlitz said:

NHL refused to sign the player transfer agreement with KHL so this is grey area right now if Tryamkin is loaned to NHL club until the end of his KHL contract and then decides to sign new contract with Canucks.

He would still need an NHL contract to play in the NHL though. We can't just use his KHL deal. Even if just for the remainder of the year. It could be a PTO though.

The lack of a transfer agreement really only speaks to the Canucks' inability to bring him over without permission of the club prior to the end of the deal. If there was a transfer deal then Tryamkin could choose to opt out of his deal at any time.

If he doesn't extend  a deal with Automobilist for next season then he can sign here without their consent anyway. We would have to release/terminate him from his deal for him to sign back there though, in a quid pro quo. I don't see us doing that. If he's here it will likely be for the extent of the term.

That's my understanding anyway.

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