Nucker 67 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, rekker said: With our luck with Russians he would never have been that good here. This is a good point. Canucks haven't had much luck with Russians (Drafter Beware Benning, take Zadina over Svechnikov lol) 1 minute ago, A.V.'s slurp said: I don't think so. Cooper had him play only 13min the game before, and before the all-star break he was a healthy scratch for a few games. It was when big #77 came back that his min and confidence went back up. So he still has some developing to do in terms of being completly reliable on his own. In the eyes of his coach at least. Sergachev didn't look out of place at all, on the best team in the league. Just because he hasn't been getting tons of ice time In TB, doesn't mean he isn't good enough. That team is stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.V.'s slurp Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: This is a good point. Canucks haven't had much luck with Russians (Drafter Beware Benning, take Zadina over Svechnikov lol) Sergachev didn't look out of place at all, on the best team in the league. Just because he hasn't been getting tons of ice time In TB, doesn't mean he isn't good enough. That team is stacked. I'm not saying he isn't good enough. Just saying he isn't done developing. Obviously Cooper wasn't happy with his play or he wouldn't have been in the press box for a few games. He clearly has all the talent and tools in the world and he will be a stud. The coach saw some holes and felt he should have a look at the game from up top. Happens to even the best prospects. Which is why ppl shouldn't freak when our young guys are healthy scratches or get limited ice time. Happens to even the most talented of young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted February 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, A.V.'s slurp said: I don't think so. Cooper had him play only 13min the game before, and before the all-star break he was a healthy scratch for a few games. It was when big #77 came back that his min and confidence went back up. So he still has some developing to do in terms of being completly reliable on his own. In the eyes of his coach at least. Yup, no Hedman = less sheltering = Sergachev struggling/sitting. CDC has trouble with context. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yup, no Hedman = less sheltering = Sergachev struggling/sitting. CDC has trouble with context. They also need Sergachev, and his entry level deal, on the roster to counteract the large number of expensive contracts they have. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ruilin96 Posted February 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2018 Way too many people on this board gets to hung up on Sergachev because of the offensive point totals he is putting up. Sergachev step into a perfect situation in Tampa Bay. Where he can be groom by their veteran defensive core lead by Viktor Hedman. If you look at the ice-times for the the 6 Tampa Bay D-men who played atleasat 41 Games this season, Sergachev is 6th among that group in terms of ice time per game, only average at 15:53, which is even lower than Braydon Coburn. Cooper in Tampa Bay knows Sergachev's defensvie deficiency as he is still developing his 200 ft game, he uses Sergachev as a PP sepcialist, and shelter his ice-time. Recently, he was even a healthy scratch in one of the games they played. If Sergachev were to be here, he would not have the right players to groom and shelter him and his weaknesses will be exposed much more. He would be exciting to watch when he is with the puck, but when you want him to defend a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 situation, he will likely get burned a lot (considering how many odd-man rushes against we are getting every game, Sergachev will probably already be south of -15 if he plays here). I am not trying to bash on Sergachev and I have no doubt when he rounds out his game, he will be a fantastic player in the future. However, that does not mean Olli Juolevi is not a good player. The two simply play 2 different style of game. Olli Juolevi is the smooth, safe and quick transitioning game where Sergachev is more explosive and adventurous with the puck and joins the rush more. For regular every day fans who just wants to watch some run and gun hockey with lots of offense, they will probably think Sergachev is the better player. However, Olli's game style is a style the coaches like a lot more. He got the offense in him (he is actually on an historic pace when it comes to teenage D-man's points per game in the Finnish league) and he can also play very well defensively. If the team is down a goal with 2 minutes left in the 3rd, the coach will throw him out there to help create a chance to generate the tying goal. If the team is up a goal with less than 2 minutes left, he will probably be out there the full 2 minutes to defend and limit the opposition's chances to attack. They are essentially 2 very different players happens to be playing in the same position. I am not saying Olli is better than Sergachev or Sergachev is better than Olli. It is still way too early to tell. Defenseman takes time to develop in most cases, and some are more ready than the other at a young age. Just ask Oilers fans a couple years back, they probably would of said in 2013 they should of drafted Ristolainen instead of Nurse. However, Nurse prove to be a late boomer and if you ask the Oilers fans now, the answer would be very different. Simply, we will be patience with Olli Juolevi. His style of play is perfect for a modern day defenseman. Smooth skating, good vision and tremenouds hockey sense always making the safe play. He may be better than Sergachev in his prime or he may be not. Right now, it is too early to draw to a conclusion. Just because once already made it to the NHL doesn't mean he is the better player. We simply just have to be patient and support our guy. Using perfect hindsight, the only D-man drafted after Juolevi that I think the Canucks should of selected is probably Charlie McAvoy in Boston (he was drafted 14th overall, and is the 4th defenseman selected in his draft). But that is hindsight, everybody can build a dynasty team with hindsight drafting. Just like atleast 15+ GMs in the 2015 draft would be kicking themselves for not have used their pick to select Boeser. I don't think we selected the wrong guy in Olli Juolevi, we simply should not come up with a conclusion until we have seen all these guys make it to the NHL and have played a minimum of 300 Games each before we come up with any conclusion. 1 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steviewonder20 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 hours ago, aGENT said: Interesting that there are 4 D rated higher than Olli on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 hours ago, steviewonder20 said: Interesting that there are 4 D rated higher than Olli on the list. Is it? According to many here, he's a disappointing, mediocre prospect. I'm amazed he even made a top 50 list at all given the assessment from the brilliant talent evaluators on CDC. 2 2 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 hours ago, steviewonder20 said: Interesting that there are ONLY 4 D rated higher than Olli on the list. FIFY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RetroCanuck Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, aGENT said: Is it? According to many here, he's a disappointing, mediocre prospect. I'm amazed he even made a top 50 list at all given the assessment from the brilliant talent evaluators on CDC. haha like times a thousand. Juolevi gets a bad rep here but he's a great prospect. Canucks fans just don't have patience lol 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 hours ago, steviewonder20 said: Interesting that there are 4 D rated higher than Olli on the list. Is this the same Craig Button, who (while GM and Pesident of the Calgary Flames) released a young Martin St. Louis, because he (Button) thought St. Louis was not an NHL player? That Craig Button??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey2 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Is this the same Craig Button, who (while GM and Pesident of the Calgary Flames) released a young Martin St. Louis, because he (Button) thought St. Louis was not an NHL player? That Craig Button??? Have you never made a mistake Alf? Cause we still trust you not to eat the cat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 14 hours ago, monkey2 said: Have you never made a mistake Alf? Cause we still trust you not to eat the cat Point being, Button does make mistakes. Juiolevi could become a MUCH SMARTER version of Edler; he has the same frame and skill set. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Point being, Button does make mistakes. Juiolevi could become a MUCH SMARTER version of Edler; he has the same frame and skill set. If Juolevi turns into the younger version of Edler, I won't be too upset. There was a reason he got 5mill/year contract in the first place. PS. I still wouldn't put eating the cat past you... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrCanuck94 Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Love that list, never understood the criticism with Juolevi tbh.. Kills it in his draft year both in the OHL and World Juniors. D+1 loses three of his teams 100 point producers, is put in a more defensive role and still manages to put up the same number of points (which is an improvement). D+2 goes to Finland because he had a bad camp (it happens, he wasn't ready) and puts up historic numbers which are overshadowed because of Heiskanen also doing the same. Was scratched because his coach wanted him to rest up and be 100% again after world juniors. What's there to complain about? He'll be in the NHL soon and is going to be a solid d-man for us for the next decade and then some. Edited February 7, 2018 by MrCanuck94 3 2 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rekker Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, spook007 said: If Juolevi turns into the younger version of Edler, I won't be too upset. There was a reason he got 5mill/year contract in the first place. PS. I still wouldn't put eating the cat past you... Edler is not appreciated enough. He has his warts yes. But he is a minute munching, physical dman having an awesome year. Cant believe I am writing this. Happy for Eddy. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) TPS vs Ässät today. Juolevi still at 7D according to published lineup. EDIT: Game midway through the first. I can’t watch the stream at my current spot, but according to the translated tweets from TPS: “From the puck’s drip, both teams have a full hönkä on the ground!” ”TPS has been very pressure-led by Aces, but neither team is clearly on the neck.” Edited February 9, 2018 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: TPS vs Ässät today. Juolevi still at 7D according to published lineup. Hey Sid! What do you mean 7D? Is he not in his teams top 6 D-men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sedintwinpowersactivate said: Hey Sid! What do you mean 7D? Is he not in his teams top 6 D-men? Yeah, sorry if not clear. You’ve got it. He’s the #7 D, as in the spare or extra D in the lineup. Not listed on the pairings. He’s been playing at that 7 spot since coming back from the scratch. Basically they seem to be swapping him in and giving him limited minutes in recent games. Edited February 9, 2018 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Yeah, sorry if not clear. You’ve got it. He’s the #7 D, as in the spare. Not listed on the pairings. He’s been playing at that 7 spot since coming back from the scratch. Really? I thought he was playing great over there? What are his deficiencies they believe he needs to work on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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