Odd. Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Juolevi with one assist tonight. And a +1 Edited January 30, 2017 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, Odd. said: Juolevi with one assist tonight. And a +1 Getting Parsons, Jones, and Pu back made a big difference. I notice Juolevi's PIMs have gone up quite a bit. Hopefully that means his getting involved more physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Getting Parsons, Jones, and Pu back made a big difference. I notice Juolevi's PIMs have gone up quite a bit. Hopefully that means his getting involved more physically. London's dealing with flu problems. Was unfortunate they lost all 3 contributors in a single game. I think Victor Mete was also out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Odd. Posted January 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2017 I find it weird that Juolevi's is on pace to shatter his point totals from last year in 30 less games despite London having a very stacked team last year. You would think his point totals would actually drop a little considering Marner, Dvorak, and Tkachuk left and his ice-time seems to have decreased. All is good though. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snizzle_ Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) On 1/28/2017 at 8:07 PM, khay said: Nice post. Put into words what I had in mind but couldn't. I think his ability to read the situations to see what options are available and his ability to choose the best option among the available options is at an elite level. To see why this is important, compare this to a player, who has tunnel vision and is unable to assess all available options in a short amount of time or a player who can see all the available options but does not always make the optimal decision. Us fans in the stands or watching on TV can see all available options because we have the bird's eye view. The players cannot see all the options so when we see a player miss an opportunity to break out on what looks like an obvious passing option, we criticize them, not realizing that the best option was not visible to the player in question. With OJ, I think there will be far less criticism in this regards compared to other players but as you said, if he does not learn to transition faster so that the options that he sees don't disappear, he won't amount to anything better than a top 4. However, if he is able to do it, then he will be an elite level defenceman. That's how I feel about OJ. On 1/28/2017 at 9:21 PM, Horvat is a Boss said: I think he definitely has the IQ and smarts to be able to do that. If you guys are referring specifically to today's game, it looked like any ability to do that was prevented by either his forwards not giving him options or Owen Sound simply relentlessly attacking the puck. In comparison, the Attack's defenseman would strip the London forward at the blue line, make a D to D pass and then quickly get it up to the forwards. But you guys are right. If he can learn to do that consistently and effectively, it will pretty much solidify his position as a #2. He's still young enough to learn that too. One more thing to add about his transition and control, is that he doesn't have exceptional escapability. Sometimes escapability is misinterpreted as dynamic skill, and I have to disagree with that association. Dynamic skill would be to generate offence seemingly out of nothing, but what I haven't seen much from OJ is his ability to skill his way out of danger without passing. He passes so well out of danger it's scary, but he lacks the escapability a natural top D pairing has, whether that's speed, quickness or craftiness. There have actually been numerous occasions where I've seen him get absolutely rocked (take a hit to make a play is usually reserved for forwards). It could be that I've only seen him play a dozen times or so, but I don't think we can say "oh he's just not a dynamic player" because that's what separates top pairing Dmen is that they can beat you in all different kinds of ways. And it seems as though OJ can only pass his way out of trouble. Edited January 30, 2017 by junglesniper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr.53 Posted January 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, junglesniper said: One more thing to add about his transition and control, is that he doesn't have exceptional escapability. Sometimes escapability is misinterpreted as dynamic skill, and I have to disagree with that association. Dynamic skill would be to generate offence seemingly out of nothing, but what I haven't seen much from OJ is his ability to skill his way out of danger without passing. He passes so well out of danger it's scary, but he lacks the escapability a natural top D pairing has, whether that's speed, quickness or craftiness. There have actually been numerous occasions where I've seen him get absolutely rocked (take a hit to make a play is usually reserved for forwards). It could be that I've only seen him play a dozen times or so, but I don't think we can say "oh he's just not a dynamic player" because that's what separates top pairing Dmen is that they can beat you in all different kinds of ways. And it seems as though OJ can only pass his way out of trouble. Good thing is, that's something that can be coached. He can bulk up over the years, like his buddy Olli Maata did, and he can work with the team on those one on one situations. He's going to be a really good player for us. All of his weaknesses are very coachable, and can be perfected in time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I still know that this was the right pick. Once Juolevi gains some more explosiveness, strength, more speed, some repetition in situational plays within the Nhl, this kid will be a for sure #2-3 dman for most teams. Even though Tkachuk is a pain in the ass to play against, i pick Juolevi all day at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Was neutral when we drafted Juolevi. Didn't know what to expect. But I'm loving this pick more and more. We desperately need a #1 dman and imo there's pretty good chance we could have one soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If you look at his career numbers for points per game in the OHL he's right there with guys like Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Subban. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HomeBrew Posted January 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Derp... said: If you look at his career numbers for points per game in the OHL he's right there with guys like Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Subban. I would say Drew Doughty was more a head of the game than Pietrangelo and Subban and justified his #2 draft selection. Doughty led his team in points as a 16 year old with 74 points in 67 games. Pietrangelo and Subban did not really show junior domination until their draft+2 year where they both went beyond a ppg pace. This is a similar path I think we should put Juolevi on, similar to Pietrangelo where he got 9 games in the NHL and then sent down to dominate the juniors and develop his offensive game. Subban also did a full year in the AHL as well which would probably be smart for our development of Juolevi. I think we are too eager to see our picks produce in the NHL that we are currently rushing them to the detriment of their development - we should avoid this at all costs. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 On 29/01/2017 at 6:28 PM, Odd. said: I find it weird that Juolevi's is on pace to shatter his point totals from last year in 30 less games despite London having a very stacked team last year. You would think his point totals would actually drop a little considering Marner, Dvorak, and Tkachuk left and his ice-time seems to have decreased. All is good though. listening to the usual suspects, you'd think Juolevi's offensive play had fallen off the face of the earth, rather than actually improving 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 3 hours ago, stawns said: listening to the usual suspects, you'd think Juolevi's offensive play had fallen off the face of the earth, rather than actually improving Yes, he's destined to turn out only "slightly better offensively" than Tanev... which is about Murzyn or Snepsts level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Yes, he's destined to turn out only "slightly better offensively" than Tanev... which is about Murzyn or Snepsts level. Listen you cheeky bugger On 1/25/2017 at 11:20 AM, J.R. said: Sorry, that should have been, slightly more offensive (I don't think he'll put up huge numbers, likely 25-35 points in his prime) but yes, he is much more creative/dynamic. He'll do more to drive play, particularly in the offensive zone, even if that doesn't translate to vastly more individual points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I would love to hear a Dale Hunter interview about Juolevi. I remember when Bo was first drafted, Hunter raved about him and gave great analysis. I bet he would say the same about Juolevi. Just needs to add strength and some muscle mass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 On 2017-01-29 at 9:17 PM, junglesniper said: One more thing to add about his transition and control, is that he doesn't have exceptional escapability. Sometimes escapability is misinterpreted as dynamic skill, and I have to disagree with that association. Dynamic skill would be to generate offence seemingly out of nothing, but what I haven't seen much from OJ is his ability to skill his way out of danger without passing. He passes so well out of danger it's scary, but he lacks the escapability a natural top D pairing has, whether that's speed, quickness or craftiness. There have actually been numerous occasions where I've seen him get absolutely rocked (take a hit to make a play is usually reserved for forwards). It could be that I've only seen him play a dozen times or so, but I don't think we can say "oh he's just not a dynamic player" because that's what separates top pairing Dmen is that they can beat you in all different kinds of ways. And it seems as though OJ can only pass his way out of trouble. He lacks escapabilty? Then why did many junior coaches say he's one of the hardest players to forecheck? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 On 2017-01-31 at 3:55 PM, Hutton Wink said: "slightly better offensively" On 2017-01-25 at 11:20 AM, J.R. said: slightly more offensive Hmmm, guess I'm just not seeing any significant difference there, sir. 35 points would be double Tanev's career average, btw. If Juolevi turns out to be a 25-point career defenceman that would have to be considered a significant disappointment, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said: Hmmm, guess I'm just not seeing any significant difference there, sir. 35 points would be double Tanev's career average, btw. If Juolevi turns out to be a 25-point career defenceman that would have to be considered a significant disappointment, imo. That's because you edited out the 'significant difference'. OJ's going to get a lot of '3rd assists' IMO. He'll do more to drive play, particularly in the offensive zone, even if that doesn't translate to vastly more individual points. And yes, I agree 25 points is likely him in a 'bad' year or still developing etc and yes I'm speaking about Tanev in his prime, not career. But I don't think he's going to be a 40-50+ point D unless he exceeds expectations and starts looking like the Lidstrom 2.0 that should piss off a few of the above posters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleysteamersmyl Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 On 2017-01-31 at 4:26 PM, messier's_elbow said: I would love to hear a Dale Hunter interview about Juolevi. I remember when Bo was first drafted, Hunter raved about him and gave great analysis. I bet he would say the same about Juolevi. Just needs to add strength and some muscle mass. It's on Canucks.com https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/hes-a-winner/c-888591 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said: It's on Canucks.com https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/hes-a-winner/c-888591 The Tkatchuk lovers should read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, messier's_elbow said: The Tkatchuk lovers should read this. I bet Hunter would have a glowing review of Tkachuk too. Just because some people wanted Tkachuk, doesn't mean they think Juolevi is bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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