Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

[Bure_Pavel]

2 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

to be fair it is a little disappointing .  out for the year doesn't help either not to mention he is also a 5th pick which ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE a key contributor to the team.   does anyone know if he's out like out until training camp or will he be ready to by like May and resume actual training?  cause if he can only start when training camp starts he won't be ready.

 

but yea, that a huge blow to his development.  lol on the Sergechev b.s. hindsight, as sheltered as they come and Drouin is still the better player, regardless of his personality. 

I heard Benning drop the word June, 6 months is the timeline though. Tough to come back from that, I had my ACL and MCL torn and it was a long recovery. Hopefully his is less severe, I lost a lot of the muscle in that leg during those first 2 months.  

[canuckistani]

2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

Well, I didn't just use points. Lol. Did you read the entire post? I never said Hutton was superior at all, just saying that as of right now Sergachev isn't way, way better than Hutton. And the fact Hutton with far more minutes has far fewer turnovers, he has more blocks, is in the same realm in terms of hitting. That is physical stuff that Hutton is right in line with Sergachev in. Offensively more gifted, yes he has the edge. But not way, way more gifted. Hutton has 1 PP goal, so even if you take away his PP time he still has 3 more goals than Sergachev and last I checked Edler was the number 1 PP guy not Hutton. Sergachev has superior ozone starts too. You can be upset all you want, all I am saying is that potential aside the difference between Hutton and Sergachev right now isn't as big as you claim.

Oh you didn't just use points but a few more 'stats' ? Fine. 

Johnny hockey also has more game-winning goals, more PPG points, more Overtime goals than Sid the kid. He also does it with slightly less time on ice. 

 

So much for stats, eh ?

 

Re hits: you do realize that NHL classifies hits by nature of contact, not intensity of it ? In our team, Del Zotto has more hits than Guddy in lesser games. Who do you think plays more physical ? who actually makes their hits count more ?  Motte also has more hits than the big tuna. Who do you think plays more physical ? 

 

Situations determine stats, stats don't determine situations. You may not care about that much, but for someone who's job for the last 10 years has been technical stochastic modelling, it matters a lot. 

 

[Bure_Pavel]

This injury should have been assessed right away, it should not have taken a month after the injury to realize it needed surgery with todays technology and specialists.  Thats a month of training in the off season lost.   

[Van40]

17 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Juolevi is a longshot now?

 

Weird. His coach says he has played very well and he has quite a few points in his rookie  year in the AHL.

 

Please tell us how he suddenly has become a long shot? Because of his knee?  Seriously, let me know....

A longshot to be what he was drafted for, a top 2 dman. 

 

Back surgery has ruined all sorts of careers in many sports. Throw in the knee injury and it's tough to feel optimistic about this pick being what we thought it could be. 

 

A 5th overall selection not playing in the nhl 3 years removed from being picked isn't very encouraging. 

 

I think Juolevi makes it as a top 4 guy someday but it's gonna take a while. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

This injury should have been assessed right away, it should not have taken a month after the injury to realize it needed surgery with todays technology and specialists.  Thats a month of training in the off season lost.   

Watched a lot of Utica games this year, mostly to watch OJ, and our other young guys.  I did notice that OJ looked like he struggled (sometimes) with his turns.  Now, he's a great skater, so that was curious to me.  I think you're right that this injury should have been dealt with properly (and not tried to rehab) a month ago.  Do the Canucks have a proper medical staff?  I heard on the radio they lost their top guy, and didn't replace him.  

[Ray_Cathode]

10 hours ago, Alflives said:

Watched a lot of Utica games this year, mostly to watch OJ, and our other young guys.  I did notice that OJ looked like he struggled (sometimes) with his turns.  Now, he's a great skater, so that was curious to me.  I think you're right that this injury should have been dealt with properly (and not tried to rehab) a month ago.  Do the Canucks have a proper medical staff?  I heard on the radio they lost their top guy, and didn't replace him.  

Yeah, he struggled with his pivot to the left, but he was like that at young stars, too.  Got walked a lot on the outside.  I wonder how far back this injury actually goes.

[SilentSam]

13 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

To say he’s way, way more physical and offensively gifted is just false. Dude plays on a way better team and he has fewer points than Hutton. Hutton has 4 goals to Sergachev’s 0. Sergachev has 44 hits to Hutton’s 33, but that’s not enough of a discrepancy for me to say he’s way, way more physical. Hutton has more blocked shots and far fewer turnovers. Sergachev has massive potential but right now he’s not far, far better than Hutton at anything, except maybe turning over the puck.

At the start of this season my thoughts, like a few of us here,.  We’re that Hutton HAD to prove himself at some point this season in order to stick for 19/20 season.

IMO, His confidence has almost doubled in this first half, he is far more physically engaged, and taking the strides to shoulder down and carry the puck across the centreline.  I for one am enjoying his progress, and watching the ceiling rise on his potential every week.

Last night when Brock headlocked Paquette after the His flying hit into Petterson,.  Ben took over and threw a couple of Gudbranson style haymakers into Paquette as he took him down. His D zone crease work is starting to get uncomfortable on opponents, and Greens assignments and matchups for Ben are evolving to challenge him to BE better.

Watch this kid after the new year,. I think we might see a few up ice rushes, cold shoulders, and some well deserved apples.

 

Sorry to hear about Joulevi..   he’s young enough to repair and recover well,  just hope it doesn’t become psychological.

 

[MeanSeanBean]

10 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:

This injury should have been assessed right away, it should not have taken a month after the injury to realize it needed surgery with todays technology and specialists.  Thats a month of training in the off season lost.   

I can confidentially confirm this is false

[CanucksJay]

As Juolevi is done for this season, If Juolevi starts in the AHL next season and then plays the last 30 games on the Canucks and follows that up with 39 games on the Nucks the following season, is he exempt from the expansion draft as he is below 40 games in the last season played AND less than 70 games played in the final 2 seasons? 

Tryamkin's contract is up 2020. Maybe we bring him back 20-21 season and have him and Juolevi platoon 39 games each. 

 

That would free us up to protect Tanev, Hutton and Gudbranson. (providing we dont sign hughes til next season) 

 

That could be the deepest D in the league 

 

Gudbranson 

Hutton 

Tanev

Hughes

Juolevi

Tryamkin

 

[mll]

2 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

As Juolevi is done for this season, If Juolevi starts in the AHL next season and then plays the last 30 games on the Canucks and follows that up with 39 games on the Nucks the following season, is he exempt from the expansion draft as he is below 40 games in the last season played AND less than 70 games played in the final 2 seasons? 

Tryamkin's contract is up 2020. Maybe we bring him back 20-21 season and have him and Juolevi platoon 39 games each. 

 

That would free us up to protect Tanev, Hutton and Gudbranson. (providing we dont sign hughes til next season) 

 

That could be the deepest D in the league 

 

Gudbranson 

Hutton 

Tanev

Hughes

Juolevi

Tryamkin

 

 

Juolevi will be exposed if he is not protected.  The number of games he plays in the NHL doesn't matter.  He will have 3 years of pro-experience - just like every player who has played a game in Utica so far this season.

 

Every team has to expose at least 2 Fs and 1 D who has played in 40 NHL games over the past season or 70 NHL games over the past two seasons but that's a minimum exposure requirement.  Teams will have players who have played in less games than that be exposed. 

 

Pedan was exposed last expansion - he didn't have those 40/70 games.  

 

[Bure_Pavel]

8 hours ago, shayster007 said:

I can confidentially confirm this is false

It is seems like from what ive heard (although I dont have all the information) it wasnt until they sent him to a top specialist in Colorado that they realized surgery was required. It seems like they were just hoping it would be good enough to play through, and worry about surgery later. 

[MeanSeanBean]

That's more info then I had, but I still disagree. Knees (or any surgery) can be extremely difficult to diagnosed if surgery is necessary or not. If a person can avoid surgery they should do so at all costs. Generally athletes are given a ton of time to rest and test. After that period I assume they sent Olli to a top specialist if he went to Colorado and got a second opinion. 

 

I have not agreed with all the choices or medical staff has made regarding player (though we likely get very little information) but in the case it sounds like they played it right (based off very little information)

 

Surgery is never the first option for a young athlete. In this case I highly doubt they were delaying surgery to do it later, they were hoping the joint could support itself with out intervention.

[Bure_Pavel]

2 hours ago, shayster007 said:

That's more info then I had, but I still disagree. Knees (or any surgery) can be extremely difficult to diagnosed if surgery is necessary or not. If a person can avoid surgery they should do so at all costs. Generally athletes are given a ton of time to rest and test. After that period I assume they sent Olli to a top specialist if he went to Colorado and got a second opinion. 

 

I have not agreed with all the choices or medical staff has made regarding player (though we likely get very little information) but in the case it sounds like they played it right (based off very little information)

 

Surgery is never the first option for a young athlete. In this case I highly doubt they were delaying surgery to do it later, they were hoping the joint could support itself with out intervention.

Ya really its hard to tell unless someone is actually a part of the medical staff and has that info, but if the ligament is torn surgery is really the only option to repair it. Medical staff has seemed to make some sketchy calls this year like putting Demko on a plane with a concussion and Boeser playing through a groin injury.   

Edited December 20, 2018 by Bure_Pavel

[MeanSeanBean]

10 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Ya really its hard to tell unless someone is actually a part of the medical staff and has that info, but if the ligament is torn surgery is really the only option to repair it. Medical staff has seemed to make some sketchy calls this year like putting Demko on a plane with a concussion and Boeser playing through a groin injury.   

Do we know it's a ligamentous injury? I have been unable to find out what the injury really was. I had assumed it was a lateral meniscus which is why they tried to give it some time to see if it would heal itself. Again I'll repeat I have very little information about the injury itself.

[Matt_T83]

On 12/19/2018 at 4:15 PM, Van40 said:

A longshot to be what he was drafted for, a top 2 dman. 

 

Back surgery has ruined all sorts of careers in many sports. Throw in the knee injury and it's tough to feel optimistic about this pick being what we thought it could be. 

 

A 5th overall selection not playing in the nhl 3 years removed from being picked isn't very encouraging. 

 

I think Juolevi makes it as a top 4 guy someday but it's gonna take a while. 

I agree that he could still become a 2nd pairing D-man. However, he's gonna need another 1-2 years of development before he's NHL ready... that is unless his recovery is nothing short of miraculous. 

 

That means we'll get him later than we wanted, and his ceiling will be lower. It sucks.

[Podz92]

5 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Ya really its hard to tell unless someone is actually a part of the medical staff and has that info, but if the ligament is torn surgery is really the only option to repair it. Medical staff has seemed to make some sketchy calls this year like putting Demko on a plane with a concussion and Boeser playing through a groin injury.   

These 'missed' diagnosis are concerning to me, why is nobody getting better until they go see an outside the organization specialist?

[Westcoasting]

Well that was fun while it lasted! Too bad but injuries happen. Hopefully he can recover 100 percent and get back at it next year. I am worried though. Anyone recall Gord Kluzak?

[Borvat]

Is it the same knee he had surgery on previously?

[Podz92]

11 hours ago, Westcoasting said:

Well that was fun while it lasted! Too bad but injuries happen. Hopefully he can recover 100 percent and get back at it next year. I am worried though. Anyone recall Gord Kluzak?

I remember a cartoon in the hockey news with the doctor telling Kluzak they had been operating on the wrong knee the whole time....

[Elias Pettersson]

The whole we should have picked Tkachuk over Juolevi is a mute point.  Tkachuk is an RFA this year, he will command a salary higher than Brock Boeser, who is also an RFA this year.  Would the Canucks have been able to sign both of them this summer to contracts in excess of $8 million each?  I doubt it.  Granlund, Leivo and Hutton are also RFA's who will command raises, Leivo probably a big one as he is only at $925k...