2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017

[Warhippy]

10 minutes ago, funkyfresh said:

How many top 5 picks from US have stayed in college for the full 4 years recently? I'll help you out; it's Blake Wheeler. He was drafted in 2004 (13 years ago). Chances of Mittelstadt not signing with Canucks is close to 0.

Chances of him pulling a Parise? 

[wellnon]

The media makes a huge deal when a high profile NCAA players stays 4 years and goes to free agency but it hardly ever happens.  Just off the top of my head White, Boeser, Keller, Jost, Connor are all high profile guys that stayed with their teams.  Hutton and Demko stayed 3 years and still signed with us.  If you go through the entire draft im sure like 90% stay with their teams maybe 5% go to free agency because their team decide not to sign them and maybe the last 5 percent actually change teams.  Out of that 5% maybe one or two make an actual impact in the NHL.      

[ForsbergTheGreat]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

New scenarios now that Tryamkin bolted.

 

1.  Trade a pick to save Sbisa.  Sign UFA d man to anchor 5-6 and bring up OJ forced to draft D man to replace depth?

 

2.  Trade Edler or Tanev for decent first.  Draft Patrick/Vilardi/Hischier and subsequently Foote/Heskainen/Hague (?) As they're NHL sized and insert them on Blue line allowing OJ another year to develop

 

3.  Do #2 but trade down to 5-9 and draft Glass Suzuki Necas Petterson and ensure we get a can't miss D prospect in return while still drafting a solid D man with our secondary pick in the first round.

 

Losing Tryamkin really messed us up 

1. Trade Edler + our 33rd + SJ 4th round pick to tampa for their 14th overall + 45th
2. Protect Sbisa
3. Draft Patrick/Vilardi/Hischier and Foote/Heskainen/Hague
4. Sign Stone/Alzner

 

 

But honestly we will probably just hold on to our 33rd, which isn't a bad thing, every year a very good player drops out of the first round.  And yes tryamkin leaving does hurt, we still have a decent D prospect pool

 

A couple more 3+ round gems and the odd FA and we will be back. 

 

 

 

[funkyfresh]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Chances of him pulling a Parise? 

If you can only come up with the one example, the argument doesn't hold up.

[aGENT]

12 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

1. Trade Edler + our 33rd + SJ 4th round pick to tampa for their 14th overall + 45th
2. Protect Sbisa
3. Draft Patrick/Vilardi/Hischier and Foote/Heskainen/Hague
4. Sign Stone/Alzner

 

 

But honestly we will probably just hold on to our 33rd, which isn't a bad thing, every year a very good player drops out of the first round.  And yes tryamkin leaving does hurt, we still have a decent D prospect pool

 

A couple more 3+ round gems and the odd FA and we will be back. 

 

 

 

Shouldn't really cost much more than Edler for 14th pick. Maybe the SJS 4th.

[Scruffy05]

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

1. Trade Edler + our 33rd + SJ 4th round pick to tampa for their 14th overall + 45th
2. Protect Sbisa
3. Draft Patrick/Vilardi/Hischier and Foote/Heskainen/Hague
4. Sign Stone/Alzner

 

 

But honestly we will probably just hold on to our 33rd, which isn't a bad thing, every year a very good player drops out of the first round.  And yes tryamkin leaving does hurt, we still have a decent D prospect pool

 

A couple more 3+ round gems and the odd FA and we will be back. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

Shouldn't really cost much more than Edler for 14th pick. Maybe the SJS 4th.

Agreed, Edler is worth at least a mid 1st round pick. I find player valuations on this site to be very intriguing and highly concerning... They seem to prioritize progression much higher than actual value. "He's a good player now but trending downwards so... dump him for anything?" Edler's play has been inconsistent but he is still an average to above average top-4 defenceman on any team and at only 30 has a lot of years left on him. He also can eat a ton of minutes. I see some people saying we should expose him...! That is bonkers.

 

Also, picks are so severely overvalued here. This website is full of massive gamblers. Each pick is a chance, a spin of the wheel and unless you are top 5 or so you are more likely to miss and get nothing then to hit.

 

[Odd.]

I feel like Vilardi will become a Sean Couturier type pick. Consistently puts up 35-40 points and may become a good 2nd line center and a very good 3rd line center. Both are 6'3 200lbs and are good strong players that love to play in the dirty areas. But IMO, I don't think Vilardi is the guy we should be looking for. We need an offensive center with 1st line potential and I don't think Vilardi is that type of guy. Personally I wouldn't draft him, not with our top pick anyway. If we were picking maybe 6-8 sure I'd pick Vilardi. But not with my top 5 pick. And I know I'll be taking a lot of heat for saying this. Apparently Vilardi isn't even on Benning's radar according to a reddit post about the canucks (link was posted a few pages ago) suggesting that Benning really likes Mittlestadt but obviously take it with a grain of salt.

 

I really hope we come out with either Hischier or Mittlestadt. This would address our biggest problem. Finding a true star talent/future 1st line center. A little off topic, but I hope we see some big changes to our roster to help address forward depth and size issues. 

[Warhippy]

2 hours ago, funkyfresh said:

If you can only come up with the one example, the argument doesn't hold up.

Parise Suter, and more.  Players from Minnesota like Minnesota.  Being invested in home is not a bad thing, but when players out of the NCAA are ignoring free agency to play at home, when he intentionally stepped back in development to play in a home town high school league, home state college etc etc etc it is a valid concern

 

Whether you want to admit it or not that is something that HAS to be looked at

[KKnight]

42 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I feel like Vilardi will become a Sean Couturier type pick. Consistently puts up 35-40 points and may become a good 2nd line center and a very good 3rd line center. Both are 6'3 200lbs and are good strong players that love to play in the dirty areas. But IMO, I don't think Vilardi is the guy we should be looking for. We need an offensive center with 1st line potential and I don't think Vilardi is that type of guy. Personally I wouldn't draft him, not with our top pick anyway. If we were picking maybe 6-8 sure I'd pick Vilardi. But not with my top 5 pick. And I know I'll be taking a lot of heat for saying this. Apparently Vilardi isn't even on Benning's radar according to a reddit post about the canucks (link was posted a few pages ago) suggesting that Benning really likes Mittlestadt but obviously take it with a grain of salt.

 

I really hope we come out with either Hischier or Mittlestadt. This would address our biggest problem. Finding a true star talent/future 1st line center. A little off topic, but I hope we see some big changes to our roster to help address forward depth and size issues. 

Physicality HAS to be addressed in the offseason. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

26 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I feel like Vilardi will become a Sean Couturier type pick. Consistently puts up 35-40 points and may become a good 2nd line center and a very good 3rd line center. Both are 6'3 200lbs and are good strong players that love to play in the dirty areas. But IMO, I don't think Vilardi is the guy we should be looking for. We need an offensive center with 1st line potential and I don't think Vilardi is that type of guy. Personally I wouldn't draft him, not with our top pick anyway. If we were picking maybe 6-8 sure I'd pick Vilardi. But not with my top 5 pick. And I know I'll be taking a lot of heat for saying this. Apparently Vilardi isn't even on Benning's radar according to a reddit post about the canucks (link was posted a few pages ago) suggesting that Benning really likes Mittlestadt but obviously take it with a grain of salt.

 

Couturier isn't a good comparison.  Couturier was a top ranked player that slide in his draft year, he was projected to be first overall and his lack on increase in offensive production had him drop.  He peaked and didn't progress.  Vilardi is still developing and on the upswing.   I think people are getting confused to the type of game Vilardi plays and some how got in their minds that he's a D zone specialist.  He's an offensive player, that is able to protect the puck with his body extremely well. 

 

A dynamic and often brilliant offensive attacker…has skilled hands and outstanding awareness…looks to set up his linemates with timely passes, but can also finish off the play when the opportunity is there…has nice size and uses it to protect the puck…has a quick jump and agility on his feet, but is not really a speed demon screaming up the ice…plays aggressively both when his team does and does not have the puck; often hunting it down and stripping it from his opponent."
 

If Vilardi is Couturier than Mittlestadt is Burmistrov
 

26 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I really hope we come out with either Hischier or Mittlestadt. This would address our biggest problem. Finding a true star talent/future 1st line center. A little off topic, but I hope we see some big changes to our roster to help address forward depth and size issues. 

I don't get the desire to find this pure offensive producing center.  Take away the generational talents and the successful NHL teams have a 70-80 point center, that plays in all areas and are hard to play against.  Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar, Getzlaf, Pavelski, Matthews. 

[Camel Toe Drag]

40 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Couturier isn't a good comparison.  Couturier was a top ranked player that slide in his draft year, he was projected to be first overall and his lack on increase in offensive production had him drop.  He peaked and didn't progress.  Vilardi is still developing and on the upswing.   I think people are getting confused to the type of game Vilardi plays and some how got in their minds that he's a D zone specialist.  He's an offensive player, that is able to protect the puck with his body extremely well. 

 

A dynamic and often brilliant offensive attacker…has skilled hands and outstanding awareness…looks to set up his linemates with timely passes, but can also finish off the play when the opportunity is there…has nice size and uses it to protect the puck…has a quick jump and agility on his feet, but is not really a speed demon screaming up the ice…plays aggressively both when his team does and does not have the puck; often hunting it down and stripping it from his opponent."
 

If Vilardi is Couturier than Mittlestadt is Burmistrov
 

I don't get the desire to find this pure offensive producing center.  Take away the generational talents and the successful NHL teams have a 70-80 point center, that plays in all areas and are hard to play against.  Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar, Getzlaf, Pavelski, Matthews. 

Horvat?

Edited April 20, 2017 by Camel Toe Drag

[komodo0921]

56 minutes ago, KKnight said:

Physicality HAS to be addressed in the offseason. 

I 100% agree. The guys who were supposed to be that grit turned out to be more like big marshmallows, rarely laying the body or showing up for team mates. We need one or two guys that everyone knows is out there and ready to "drop the hammer" at any moment. I keep bringing up Ferland from Calgary and, truly, believe he could be the guy that would fit nicely with Horvat and Boeser. I know Flamer management wouldn't trade him but I'd be willing to pay a high price to get him.

A lot of Vancouver fans may disagree but he is exactly what we need. Edmonton went out and got Lucic and payed dearly to get him. They new what they needed and were willing to step up to fill the need. Now he's instrumental in their success and everyone is aware he's on the ice. It's funny how McDavid's attitude has changed since they've acquired a couple of players that keep his back nightly. He's not afraid anymore to take cheap shots at players now. He knows there's someone to step in to protect him and everyone else knows it too. 

Another guy I'd like to see get a better oportunity with our more skilled guys is Joe Labate. 

Edited April 20, 2017 by komodo0921

[Podz92]

3 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

Horvat?

Sounds about right to me! He's the type of player who wins championships....

[J-Dizzle]

13 minutes ago, komodo0921 said:

I 100% agree. The guys who were supposed to be that grit turned out to be more like big marshmallows, rarely laying the body or showing up for team mates. We need one or two guys that everyone knows is out there and ready to "drop the hammer" at any moment. I keep bringing up Ferland from Calgary and, truly, believe he could be the guy that would fit nicely with Horvat and Boeser. I know Flamer management wouldn't trade him but I'd be willing to pay a high price to get him.

A lot of Vancouver fans may disagree but he is exactly what we need. Edmonton went out and got Lucic and payed dearly to get him. They new what they needed and were willing to step up to fill the need. Now he's instrumental in their success and everyone is aware he's on the ice. It's funny how McDavid's attitude has changed since they've acquired a couple of players that keep his back nightly. He's not afraid anymore to take cheap shots at players now. He knows there's someone to step in to protect him and everyone else knows it too. 

Another guy I'd like to see get a better oportunity with our more skilled guys is Joe Labate. 

I think the 'drop the hammer' guys are less necessary than they once were. 

 

it is nice to have a number of big strong boys who can hold their own though.  Horvat is a great example, we could use another couple guys like that (but what team couldn't?) 

[Smashian Kassian]

I really want Hischier. His PPG is better than Patrick's 100 point season & better than Patrick this season. I think he's the real deal.

 

Its such a good situation with him developmentally too, he can start in the AHL next year and go from there. 

Edited April 20, 2017 by Smashian Kassian

[Camel Toe Drag]

13 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

I really want Hischier. Its such a good situation with him developmentally too, he can start in the AHL next year and go from there. 

Yeah I like that a lot about him too. A year of seasoning possibly alongside Virt/Goldy or both would be excellent. Plus he's another to add to the Canucks all flow team. His locks are gorgeous. 

[aGENT]

4 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

Yeah I like that a lot about him too. A year of seasoning possibly alongside Virt/Goldy or both would be excellent. Plus he's another to add to the Canucks all flow team. His locks are gorgeous. 

[R35Godz1lla]

20 minutes ago, J.R. said:

*Snip*

[Noble 6]

Liljegren is really messing with me right now. He was already a bit of a wildcard before, being a defenseman, but I thought he still had a realistic chance of being a good, if not very good player in the NHL. I'm not as convinced of that anymore based on his play at the U18's. He's getting badly outplayed by Heiskanen and hasn't really responded. I don't want to have this one tournament completely dictate what I think about him, but this is a big concern. Hopefully it's more of him still feeling the effects of mono rather than him actually showing alarming signs of stagnating, but I'm not sure which one it is. 

 

 

[aGENT]

14 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

Liljegren is really messing with me right now. He was already a bit of a wildcard before, being a defenseman, but I thought he still had a realistic chance of being a good, if not very good player in the NHL. I'm not as convinced of that anymore based on his play at the U18's. He's getting badly outplayed by Heiskanen and hasn't really responded. I don't want to have this one tournament completely dictate what I think about him, but this is a big concern. Hopefully it's more of him still feeling the effects of mono rather than him actually showing alarming signs of stagnating, but I'm not sure which one it is. 

 

 

Yeah.. probably going to 'Chychrun' in the draft