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Hey everyone Sportsnet just came out with a new interview article with Trevor Linden. Here it is...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/trevor-linden-qa-canucks-go/

 

It's an all around piece about prospects management and today's game against the maple laughs. 

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I know that the most biggest difference between 2011 and current is that we were contenders before but we may not be too far off. 

 

 

Best moves: 

 

Rebuilding our defence...

Bieksa garrison Erhoff hamhuis salo 

To 

Tanev Stecher Hutton gudbranson tryamkin 

 

Creating goalie depth

 

replacing Luongo Schneider and eventually Miller from the current roster

With...

Markstrom demko garteig 

 

Gillis vs benning era drafting

 

gillis: hodgson, sauve, rai, froshaug, clark, schroeder, rodin connauton cannata McNally Friesen gaunce Hutton horvat shinkaruk cassels subban cederholm 

 

Benning: Virtanen McCann demko Tryamkin forsling boeser brisbois zhukenov gaudette jasek Olson candella

 

(Quite the difference is high ceiling prospects)

 

Signings

 

Gillis: 

Richardson

Wellwood 

Hordichuk 

Johnson 

Demitra 

Baumgartner 

Rypien 

Sundin

Shirokov 

Samuelsson 

Glass 

malholtra 

sturm

Ebbett

Weise

Barker 

 

benning: 

Miller 

Vrbata

McMillan 

Bartowski

cracknell 

Eriksson 

 

Trades

Gillis acquired: 

Bernier

Labarbera 

Alberts

Ballard 

Oreskovich 

Higgins

Booth

Kassian

 

Benning: 

Granlund 

Sutter 

Gudbranson

Dorsett

Sbisa

Pedan

Baertschi

Prust

Etem

Larsen

 

 

 

SPECIAL NOTES/SUMMARY 

 

There might be tiny errors above but that's it. 

 

-*Most of gillis's success came from players they already had in the system*

 

-benning is clearly the better drafter

 

-benning didn't get a lot of great prospects from the previous era like Gillis did 

(Sedins kesler Edler Hansen ect) 

 

-benning is basically starting from scratch and we should be thankful he turned around our goaltending and defense so quickly.

 

-Benning has net out approach so he's gonna build out our forwards next.

 

 

BE HAPPY AND EXCITED CANUCKS FANS BECAUSE AT LEAST WE DIDNT TAKE 10 YEARS TO IMPROVE OUR TEAM.

 

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Can't really compare.  Gillis got the team when it was trending upward while JB got it trending downward.

 

 

Agreed.

When Gillis was around (for the most part at least) the goal was winning the Cup.  That meant trading picks/prospects for established vets who could hopefully put us over the edge.  Obviously the prospect pool is going to be a little thinner and there is going to be more "meh" player additions.

 

But Benning is most certainly still a better drafting GM.

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Gillis had and built up  the win now team taking it to one game of the cup, trading picks and prospects to get players that might help in the post season . saying he had the group together when he came in always makes me laugh , then why did nonis get fired for not being able to make the playoffs with the so called same group. It's the gillis haters go to move and it's laughable.

his highest draft pick was Horvat 10th who most on here say will be the captain.

 

benning  saying we have a win now team when there's a better chance of winning the lottery than getting into the post season. 

 

different era different expectation

gillis did a good job but his time had come. teams  that win for the better part of ten years are going to have fewer top prospects 

 

benning is stuck, he or ownership think this team has the ability to win now and it doesn't, he's improved the prospect pool but that'll happen when you get top ten picks. He's also given away picks  and let ufas walk which is just terrible managment for a team that become a bottom feeder and  against the cap.oh,so here comes the thats gillis bad contracts handcuff blah blah, gillis hater second favourite move. 

sbisa, sutter Dorset miller ericson vrbata all benning signings  4 of which had ntcs and at top dollar value. 

This is bennings team/mess 

 

Time will tell but I highly doubt JB will come close to the success the MG had here.  I doubt JB will be the gm next time this club makes the playoffs his fill the gap with fringe nhlers and trying to just be a wild card team is the Calgary flames of the 2000's it doesn't work it never has. 

MG has a lot of positive franchise records associated to his time here.

JB has a lot of franchise worsts associated with his time here.

this team has gone through rough times in its  past so to get franchise worst  (and more than just one) tells a bigger story. 

Keenan 

nonis 

JB 

worst three gms in franchise history. 

JB is the worst gm currently employed in the NHL. 

 

 

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I still like Benning over Gillis any day. Gillis got us within a game of winning the Cup but after a President's Cup win next season, he fired AV after losing to the eventual Cup winners Kings and was obviously Gillis' last straw. Terrible drafting record because he traded picks for players who can help the team win now that year. Benning is the complete opposite. He's building a young, fast team from the net on out. Kesler trade was probably one of his best moves. He transformed one piece into 3 pieces of Sutter, Gudbranson, Sbisa. We're getting there. Next season the team will be competitive with young guys like Boeser, Gaudette, Brisebois, Juolevi, Lockwood, etc all coming. Patience is key as a fan. A winning culture is coming real soon 

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9 minutes ago, Beary Sweet said:

I still like Benning over Gillis any day. Gillis got us within a game of winning the Cup but after a President's Cup win next season, he fired AV after losing to the eventual Cup winners Kings and was obviously Gillis' last straw. Terrible drafting record because he traded picks for players who can help the team win now that year. Benning is the complete opposite. He's building a young, fast team from the net on out. Kesler trade was probably one of his best moves. He transformed one piece into 3 pieces of Sutter, Gudbranson, Sbisa. We're getting there. Next season the team will be competitive with young guys like Boeser, Gaudette, Brisebois, Juolevi, Lockwood, etc all coming. Patience is key as a fan. A winning culture is coming real soon 

He fired AV in 2013 after losing to the Sharks, the season after.

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46 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said:

If Gillis was more humble he would have been the best GM in nucks history. He was so damn arrogant though... Benning mops the floor with Gillis when it comes to drafting though, not even close. Gillis got us Horvat and Hutton, signed Tanev... Other then that though his drafting sucked.

 

And who has Benning drafted for us so far that has made an impact in the NHL? Considering Gillis was mostly working with late draft picks and less draft picks (since we were a contending team), I feel the difference between their drafting abilities have been blown way out of proportion.

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40 minutes ago, combover said:

Gillis had and built up  the win now team taking it to one game of the cup, trading picks and prospects to get players that might help in the post season . saying he had the group together when he came in always makes me laugh , then why did nonis get fired for not being able to make the playoffs with the so called same group. It's the gillis haters go to move and it's laughable.

his highest draft pick was Horvat 10th who most on here say will be the captain.

 

benning  saying we have a win now team when there's a better chance of winning the lottery than getting into the post season. 

 

different era different expectation

gillis did a good job but his time had come. teams  that win for the better part of ten years are going to have fewer top prospects 

 

benning is stuck, he or ownership think this team has the ability to win now and it doesn't, he's improved the prospect pool but that'll happen when you get top ten picks. He's also given away picks  and let ufas walk which is just terrible managment for a team that become a bottom feeder and  against the cap.oh,so here comes the thats gillis bad contracts handcuff blah blah, gillis hater second favourite move. 

sbisa, sutter Dorset miller ericson vrbata all benning signings  4 of which had ntcs and at top dollar value. 

This is bennings team/mess 

 

Time will tell but I highly doubt JB will come close to the success the MG had here.  I doubt JB will be the gm next time this club makes the playoffs his fill the gap with fringe nhlers and trying to just be a wild card team is the Calgary flames of the 2000's it doesn't work it never has. 

MG has a lot of positive franchise records associated to his time here.

JB has a lot of franchise worsts associated with his time here.

this team has gone through rough times in its  past so to get franchise worst  (and more than just one) tells a bigger story. 

Keenan 

nonis 

JB 

worst three gms in franchise history. 

JB is the worst gm currently employed in the NHL. 

 

 

Keenan's trade of TL for Bert and McCabe was a fantastic trade, that allowed for Burke to have the assets to get the Twins.

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Both of them did/doing a great job in the situations they inherited.

Gillis added good complementary pieces to a contending core, without overspending his futures.

Benning has done a great job of rebuild/tooling - recreating the balance after the contending years skewed the future of the franchise.

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not trying to defend gillis but he never really had good draft positioning in any given year ,relative to the teams success. who he picked with low availability remains questionable ,but hind site being 20/20.........

 
             
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2012 Entry 26 1 Brendan Gaunce L Belleville Bulls [OHL] 44 1 2 3 22
2012 Entry 57 2 Alexandre Mallet C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]          
2012 Entry 147 5 Ben Hutton D Nepean Raiders [CCHL] 99 4 28 32 26
2012 Entry 177 6 Wesley Myron F Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]          
2012 Entry 207 7 Matthew Beattie R Exeter [N.H. H.S.]          
                     
2011 Entry                    
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2011 Entry 29 1 Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 24 3 3 6 10
2011 Entry 71 3 David Honzik G Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]          
2011 Entry 90 3 Alexandre Grenier R Quebec Remparts [QMJHL] 6 0 0 0 2
2011 Entry 101 4 Joe Labate L Holy Angels Academy (Minn.) 3 0 0 0 7
2011 Entry 120 4 Ludwig Blomstrand L Djurgarden Jrs. (Sweden)          
2011 Entry 150 5 Frankie Corrado D Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 68 3 5 8 32
2011 Entry 180 6 Pathrik Westerholm L Malmo Redhawks [Swe-1]          
2011 Entry 210 7 Henrik Tommernes D Frolunda HC [SEL]          
                     
2010 Entry                    
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2010 Entry 115 4 Patrick McNally D Milton Academy [Mass.]          
2010 Entry 145 5 Adam Polasek D Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL]          
2010 Entry 172 6 Alex Friesen C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 1 0 0 0 0
2010 Entry 175 6 Jonathan Iilahti G Blues Jrs (Finland)          
2010 Entry 205 7 Sawyer Hannay D Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]          
                     
2009 Entry                    
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2009 Entry 22 1 Jordan Schroeder C U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 109 11 16 27 10
2009 Entry 53 2 Anton Rodin R Brynas Jrs. (Sweden)          
2009 Entry 83 3 Kevin Connauton D Western Michigan University [CCHA] 170 15 32 47 117
2009 Entry 113 4 Jeremy Price D Nepean Raiders [CJHL]          
2009 Entry 143 5 Peter Andersson D Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden)          
2009 Entry 173 6 Joe Cannata G Merrimack College [H-East]          
2009 Entry 187 7 Steven Anthony L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]          
                     
2008 Entry                    
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2008 Entry 10 1 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Battalion [OHL] 328 64 78 142 68
2008 Entry 41 2 Yann Sauve D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8 0 0 0 0
2008 Entry 131 5 Prabh Rai C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]          
2008 Entry 161 6 Mats Josten-Froshaug C Linkoping Jr. [Sweden]          
2008 Entry 191 7 Morgan Clark G Red Deer Rebels [WHL]          
   
 

 

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25 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Both of them did/doing a great job in the situations they inherited.

Gillis added good complementary pieces to a contending core, without overspending his futures.

Benning has done a great job of rebuild/tooling - recreating the balance after the contending years skewed the future of the franchise.

 

Thats a joke, right? Have you noticed the 20-25 year old gap? 

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