orcasgonewild Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Hey everyone Sportsnet just came out with a new interview article with Trevor Linden. Here it is... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/trevor-linden-qa-canucks-go/ It's an all around piece about prospects management and today's game against the maple laughs. ------------------------------------------------------------------ I know that the most biggest difference between 2011 and current is that we were contenders before but we may not be too far off. Best moves: Rebuilding our defence... Bieksa garrison Erhoff hamhuis salo To Tanev Stecher Hutton gudbranson tryamkin Creating goalie depth replacing Luongo Schneider and eventually Miller from the current roster With... Markstrom demko garteig Gillis vs benning era drafting gillis: hodgson, sauve, rai, froshaug, clark, schroeder, rodin connauton cannata McNally Friesen gaunce Hutton horvat shinkaruk cassels subban cederholm Benning: Virtanen McCann demko Tryamkin forsling boeser brisbois zhukenov gaudette jasek Olson candella (Quite the difference is high ceiling prospects) Signings Gillis: Richardson Wellwood Hordichuk Johnson Demitra Baumgartner Rypien Sundin Shirokov Samuelsson Glass malholtra sturm Ebbett Weise Barker benning: Miller Vrbata McMillan Bartowski cracknell Eriksson Trades Gillis acquired: Bernier Labarbera Alberts Ballard Oreskovich Higgins Booth Kassian Benning: Granlund Sutter Gudbranson Dorsett Sbisa Pedan Baertschi Prust Etem Larsen SPECIAL NOTES/SUMMARY There might be tiny errors above but that's it. -*Most of gillis's success came from players they already had in the system* -benning is clearly the better drafter -benning didn't get a lot of great prospects from the previous era like Gillis did (Sedins kesler Edler Hansen ect) -benning is basically starting from scratch and we should be thankful he turned around our goaltending and defense so quickly. -Benning has net out approach so he's gonna build out our forwards next. BE HAPPY AND EXCITED CANUCKS FANS BECAUSE AT LEAST WE DIDNT TAKE 10 YEARS TO IMPROVE OUR TEAM. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Benning is clearly the better drafter and scout. No doubt. He should be our head of scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Gillis made a huge trade early on that paid huge dividends. White and some other bust for Erhoff. He also signed Malholtra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Jays_Canucks Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Apparently Gillis was so arrogant that half the GMs in the league wouldn't even talk to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Can't really compare. Gillis got the team when it was trending upward while JB got it trending downward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, Blue_Jays_Canucks said: Apparently Gillis was so arrogant that half the GMs in the league wouldn't even talk to him I hear this a lot around here, genuinely curious as to any credible sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 If Gillis was more humble he would have been the best GM in nucks history. He was so damn arrogant though... Benning mops the floor with Gillis when it comes to drafting though, not even close. Gillis got us Horvat and Hutton, signed Tanev... Other then that though his drafting sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Can't really compare. Gillis got the team when it was trending upward while JB got it trending downward. Agreed. When Gillis was around (for the most part at least) the goal was winning the Cup. That meant trading picks/prospects for established vets who could hopefully put us over the edge. Obviously the prospect pool is going to be a little thinner and there is going to be more "meh" player additions. But Benning is most certainly still a better drafting GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Why are you making a vs smackdown thread when you are obviously heavily tilted towards Benning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Gillis had and built up the win now team taking it to one game of the cup, trading picks and prospects to get players that might help in the post season . saying he had the group together when he came in always makes me laugh , then why did nonis get fired for not being able to make the playoffs with the so called same group. It's the gillis haters go to move and it's laughable. his highest draft pick was Horvat 10th who most on here say will be the captain. benning saying we have a win now team when there's a better chance of winning the lottery than getting into the post season. different era different expectation gillis did a good job but his time had come. teams that win for the better part of ten years are going to have fewer top prospects benning is stuck, he or ownership think this team has the ability to win now and it doesn't, he's improved the prospect pool but that'll happen when you get top ten picks. He's also given away picks and let ufas walk which is just terrible managment for a team that become a bottom feeder and against the cap.oh,so here comes the thats gillis bad contracts handcuff blah blah, gillis hater second favourite move. sbisa, sutter Dorset miller ericson vrbata all benning signings 4 of which had ntcs and at top dollar value. This is bennings team/mess Time will tell but I highly doubt JB will come close to the success the MG had here. I doubt JB will be the gm next time this club makes the playoffs his fill the gap with fringe nhlers and trying to just be a wild card team is the Calgary flames of the 2000's it doesn't work it never has. MG has a lot of positive franchise records associated to his time here. JB has a lot of franchise worsts associated with his time here. this team has gone through rough times in its past so to get franchise worst (and more than just one) tells a bigger story. Keenan nonis JB worst three gms in franchise history. JB is the worst gm currently employed in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Different eras of the franchise that happened to overlap. Comparisons, whilst inevitable, simply aren't that relative for many aforementioned reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 I still like Benning over Gillis any day. Gillis got us within a game of winning the Cup but after a President's Cup win next season, he fired AV after losing to the eventual Cup winners Kings and was obviously Gillis' last straw. Terrible drafting record because he traded picks for players who can help the team win now that year. Benning is the complete opposite. He's building a young, fast team from the net on out. Kesler trade was probably one of his best moves. He transformed one piece into 3 pieces of Sutter, Gudbranson, Sbisa. We're getting there. Next season the team will be competitive with young guys like Boeser, Gaudette, Brisebois, Juolevi, Lockwood, etc all coming. Patience is key as a fan. A winning culture is coming real soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 9 minutes ago, Beary Sweet said: I still like Benning over Gillis any day. Gillis got us within a game of winning the Cup but after a President's Cup win next season, he fired AV after losing to the eventual Cup winners Kings and was obviously Gillis' last straw. Terrible drafting record because he traded picks for players who can help the team win now that year. Benning is the complete opposite. He's building a young, fast team from the net on out. Kesler trade was probably one of his best moves. He transformed one piece into 3 pieces of Sutter, Gudbranson, Sbisa. We're getting there. Next season the team will be competitive with young guys like Boeser, Gaudette, Brisebois, Juolevi, Lockwood, etc all coming. Patience is key as a fan. A winning culture is coming real soon He fired AV in 2013 after losing to the Sharks, the season after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptionalPants Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 46 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said: If Gillis was more humble he would have been the best GM in nucks history. He was so damn arrogant though... Benning mops the floor with Gillis when it comes to drafting though, not even close. Gillis got us Horvat and Hutton, signed Tanev... Other then that though his drafting sucked. And who has Benning drafted for us so far that has made an impact in the NHL? Considering Gillis was mostly working with late draft picks and less draft picks (since we were a contending team), I feel the difference between their drafting abilities have been blown way out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 40 minutes ago, combover said: Gillis had and built up the win now team taking it to one game of the cup, trading picks and prospects to get players that might help in the post season . saying he had the group together when he came in always makes me laugh , then why did nonis get fired for not being able to make the playoffs with the so called same group. It's the gillis haters go to move and it's laughable. his highest draft pick was Horvat 10th who most on here say will be the captain. benning saying we have a win now team when there's a better chance of winning the lottery than getting into the post season. different era different expectation gillis did a good job but his time had come. teams that win for the better part of ten years are going to have fewer top prospects benning is stuck, he or ownership think this team has the ability to win now and it doesn't, he's improved the prospect pool but that'll happen when you get top ten picks. He's also given away picks and let ufas walk which is just terrible managment for a team that become a bottom feeder and against the cap.oh,so here comes the thats gillis bad contracts handcuff blah blah, gillis hater second favourite move. sbisa, sutter Dorset miller ericson vrbata all benning signings 4 of which had ntcs and at top dollar value. This is bennings team/mess Time will tell but I highly doubt JB will come close to the success the MG had here. I doubt JB will be the gm next time this club makes the playoffs his fill the gap with fringe nhlers and trying to just be a wild card team is the Calgary flames of the 2000's it doesn't work it never has. MG has a lot of positive franchise records associated to his time here. JB has a lot of franchise worsts associated with his time here. this team has gone through rough times in its past so to get franchise worst (and more than just one) tells a bigger story. Keenan nonis JB worst three gms in franchise history. JB is the worst gm currently employed in the NHL. Keenan's trade of TL for Bert and McCabe was a fantastic trade, that allowed for Burke to have the assets to get the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted December 3, 2016 Author Share Posted December 3, 2016 I think bennings done well. But if eriksson doesn't play well they need to do something about it immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Both of them did/doing a great job in the situations they inherited. Gillis added good complementary pieces to a contending core, without overspending his futures. Benning has done a great job of rebuild/tooling - recreating the balance after the contending years skewed the future of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 not trying to defend gillis but he never really had good draft positioning in any given year ,relative to the teams success. who he picked with low availability remains questionable ,but hind site being 20/20......... Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2012 Entry 26 1 Brendan Gaunce L Belleville Bulls [OHL] 44 1 2 3 22 2012 Entry 57 2 Alexandre Mallet C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 2012 Entry 147 5 Ben Hutton D Nepean Raiders [CCHL] 99 4 28 32 26 2012 Entry 177 6 Wesley Myron F Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL] 2012 Entry 207 7 Matthew Beattie R Exeter [N.H. H.S.] 2011 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2011 Entry 29 1 Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 24 3 3 6 10 2011 Entry 71 3 David Honzik G Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 2011 Entry 90 3 Alexandre Grenier R Quebec Remparts [QMJHL] 6 0 0 0 2 2011 Entry 101 4 Joe Labate L Holy Angels Academy (Minn.) 3 0 0 0 7 2011 Entry 120 4 Ludwig Blomstrand L Djurgarden Jrs. (Sweden) 2011 Entry 150 5 Frankie Corrado D Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 68 3 5 8 32 2011 Entry 180 6 Pathrik Westerholm L Malmo Redhawks [Swe-1] 2011 Entry 210 7 Henrik Tommernes D Frolunda HC [SEL] 2010 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2010 Entry 115 4 Patrick McNally D Milton Academy [Mass.] 2010 Entry 145 5 Adam Polasek D Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL] 2010 Entry 172 6 Alex Friesen C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 1 0 0 0 0 2010 Entry 175 6 Jonathan Iilahti G Blues Jrs (Finland) 2010 Entry 205 7 Sawyer Hannay D Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 2009 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2009 Entry 22 1 Jordan Schroeder C U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 109 11 16 27 10 2009 Entry 53 2 Anton Rodin R Brynas Jrs. (Sweden) 2009 Entry 83 3 Kevin Connauton D Western Michigan University [CCHA] 170 15 32 47 117 2009 Entry 113 4 Jeremy Price D Nepean Raiders [CJHL] 2009 Entry 143 5 Peter Andersson D Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden) 2009 Entry 173 6 Joe Cannata G Merrimack College [H-East] 2009 Entry 187 7 Steven Anthony L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 2008 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2008 Entry 10 1 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Battalion [OHL] 328 64 78 142 68 2008 Entry 41 2 Yann Sauve D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8 0 0 0 0 2008 Entry 131 5 Prabh Rai C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 2008 Entry 161 6 Mats Josten-Froshaug C Linkoping Jr. [Sweden] 2008 Entry 191 7 Morgan Clark G Red Deer Rebels [WHL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 25 minutes ago, oldnews said: Both of them did/doing a great job in the situations they inherited. Gillis added good complementary pieces to a contending core, without overspending his futures. Benning has done a great job of rebuild/tooling - recreating the balance after the contending years skewed the future of the franchise. Thats a joke, right? Have you noticed the 20-25 year old gap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 31 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Thats a joke, right? Have you noticed the 20-25 year old gap? No, it's not a joke. That gap wasn't caused by spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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