[PGT] Winnipeg Jets at Vancouver Canucks | Dec. 22, 2018

[stanleysteamersmyl]

1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Many posters here are taking a pretty decent game and turning it into a pity party.

 

The game management was in the Canucks favour, just watch how much the Canucks D get away with, how many sticks up high, holding the stick, interference, hooking and holding. The Canucks look like they know the refs can't call everything and are using that to their benefit.

 

A 6'5" guy hits a 5'10" guy and there is concern that it is unfair? Should the league eliminate all players over 6'1" and under 5'10"?

 

Whine and cry all over the Pettersson throw down and the Canuck lack of response and especially the BS about not seeing it on replays and crap, they stand up now which is good but how much goading did they get from Burke on national TV did it take?

 

This team is not ready at all for the playoffs.

The very best players to ever play the game played in the very environment now chastised. The tough guys opened up the ice for the skilled so they didn't get body slammed to the ice, how many times can anyone remember Gretzky getting up off the ice or Yzerman or …… How many concussions did the Great one have?

 

As Burke stated it is not to have fighting for fighting's sake but toughness to deter going after the skilled guys.

 

Stecher is not an elite dman and he should be expecting a hit all the time he has the puck, even kids start looking around for who is coming for them if they can't find the puck not looking head down in their feet.

 

This lack of real hitting in the league is making it dangerous because players just don't expect it anymore, you see this in minor hockey when kids go from non hitting to Rep hockey they are so unprepared or eager to hit, they get blown up or blow up some other player because it is new.

 

How many posters have watched a playoff series since the Canucks last were in one? How many remember a 20 year old kid running the team off the by hitting? Now imagine the Peg doing that to this team of pygmies and ringette players.

Byfuglien and the pygmies.

 

[TheGuardian_]

25 minutes ago, cory40 said:

Listen! That penalty probably is called in the play-offs! Seen plays like that cost teams a chance at game tying goals!

What? The seven Canuck players on the ice? The seven that everyone could count without any doubt?

 

25 minutes ago, cory40 said:

There is a camera view of stetchers hit and the only contact made with Stetcher is his head. The NHL is letting its players down and safety is coming into question! The NHL is supposedly the fastest game on earth and yet they allow blind side hitting?

I am sure part of the NHL's view is that it is a hitting league and players should be prepared at all times to be hit and take the necessary steps to be aware.

 

Boeser was barely tapped and it was his shoulder, he knew Scheifele was coming that is why he unloaded the puck when he did and Scheifele could have drilled him in the shoulder but didn't. Upper arm to shoulder. I often stated that Horton was his own worst enemy as well.

 

Sometimes players have to "learn" not to have bad habits. Sort of like texting while driving. I am also of the opinion that if a player has multiple concussions like Sven has had he should take a year off minimum, Sven has had 3 or 4 the last two years and the last two came very easily and were more severe.

 

Want head shots out, remove shoulder pads and plastic from elbow pads that will reduce concussions.

[Gurn]

The problem is:

Even if the reffing didn't "cost" the Canucks the game, it doesn't matter. The reffing needs to be improved EOS. Win/lose/draw the reffing needs to be better.

[NHTyrany]

24 minutes ago, stawns said:

no way that's a penalty in the playoffs.  

I suggest you rewatch 2011 SCF games 3 and 4 being so categorical.

[cory40]

Just now, TheGuardian_ said:

What? The seven Canuck players on the ice? The seven that everyone could count without any doubt?

 

I am sure part of the NHL's view is that it is a hitting league and players should be prepared at all times to be hit and take the necessary steps to be aware.

 

Boeser was barely tapped and it was his shoulder, he knew Scheifele was coming that is why he uploaded the puck when he did and Scheifele could have drilled him in the shoulder but didn't. Upper arm to shoulder. I often stated that Horton was his own worst enemy as well.

 

Sometimes players have to "learn" not to have bad habits. Sort of like texting while driving. I am also of the opinion that if a player has multiple concussions like Sven has had he should take a year off minimum, Sven has had 3 or 4 the last two years and the last two came very easily and were more severe.

 

Want head shots out, remove shoulder pads and plastic from elbow pads that will reduce concussions.

I hear you. But am very disappointed the stetcher hit was allowed! Hey it happens and I don't mind rough hockey. In fact I love hard hitting hockey! But man with the concussions and all the player s on all the teams on injured reserve, why wait until its a McDavid or Matthews or Pettersson to send a Message. 

[cory40]

Hey all I am stoked that we are not talking about how the Canucks can score more! Or why Markstrom is letting the first shot in, or why is Hutton sitting on the upper deck of the arena. Man we are watching entertaining hockey. And teams are saying the Canucks are fast! Wow when the Sedins were here you could go pour a Coffee and come back and watch their zone entry! Its speed that wins hockey and especially if you mesh size and talent in there! If the Canucks stay healthy (something there not) we still have Suter coming back and well Baer. I am starting to doubt Edmonton finishes higher than the Canucks this year! That could spell the play-offs for them!

[stawns]

24 minutes ago, riffraff said:

I think it goes beyond that:

  

belak

rypien

boogaard

I agree, but those guys knew the risks and made far, far, far more money than they would have working in sometime factory in a backwoods Canadian town. No one forced it on them.

[denniskearns]

2 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Sven is done, too many concussions, he should retire to keep his health.

Intent to injure? You mean hitting?

Not at all, and I agree with you about Sven--some things are more important than playing no matter how much you love it.  I don't buy the old time hockey it's always been this way argument.  Why are skilled stars from the past like Orr, Hull and others not talking about struggles with devastating post-concussion trauma but yet it seems Crosby and other current stars are going to be retiring with a half-dozen or more concussions each and the impact now seems worse?  In the no-helmet era there was a degree of respect given that seems lost now--not by all players, but by enough that every team has players out of the lineup over the season dealing with head trauma injuries.

 

It may not be a conscious decision to try to put a player out of the lineup, but it's a disregard for the targets of the hits from guys like Wilson that is too common--maybe it's more that players now skate faster and have much harder elbow padding, plus they're bigger, but if that's the case, then the onus is on the league and the players to figure out a way they can keep from shortening so many careers without it turning into an all-star game style of no-hit joke.  I don't think we lose out if there are consequences for hits like Martel's on Stecher, or penalties for crosschecks to the face as we saw last night.

[TheGuardian_]

Just now, cory40 said:

Matthews or Pettersson to send a Message

Already happened with both, "upper body injury".

McDavid had his collar bone broken.

 

Message? Benning better find a player that "protects our young guys and lets them play the game" like he stated 3 years ago. Doesn't seem to be working does it?

How many times do you need to get hit in the head before you do something about it? 8/9 times? Guys 5'10" just don't put the fear of retaliation and that is what it is the fear of retaliation not necessarily the act. Guddy doesn't scare anyone, his shoulders are buggered and he is only one, if he is out then it is open season if he is considered a deterrent.

 

As a side note the two players that got the biggest suspensions this year are also on two of the top clubs expected for a cup challenge and one just got a huge raise in pay. 

[Kragar]

1 hour ago, riffraff said:

I hate buying in to the conspiracy and I hate blaming refs at any time.

 

but last night and Tampa was a atrocious reffing.

 

ironinc that two contenders were involved.

I hate it too, don't wanna be known as a whiner.  But it is so hard not to, sometimes.

 

Reffing aside, it's not the first time we've been stung by a hot goalie.  just wish I didn't watch the game so late... got me too riled up to sleep.  One of the best 1-0 games I remember

[stawns]

8 minutes ago, denniskearns said:

Not at all, and I agree with you about Sven--some things are more important than playing no matter how much you love it.  I don't buy the old time hockey it's always been this way argument.  Why are skilled stars from the past like Orr, Hull and others not talking about struggles with devastating post-concussion trauma but yet it seems Crosby and other current stars are going to be retiring with a half-dozen or more concussions each and the impact now seems worse?  In the no-helmet era there was a degree of respect given that seems lost now--not by all players, but by enough that every team has players out of the lineup over the season dealing with head trauma injuries.

 

It may not be a conscious decision to try to put a player out of the lineup, but it's a disregard for the targets of the hits from guys like Wilson that is too common--maybe it's more that players now skate faster and have much harder elbow padding, plus they're bigger, but if that's the case, then the onus is on the league and the players to figure out a way they can keep from shortening so many careers without it turning into an all-star game style of no-hit joke.  I don't think we lose out if there are consequences for hits like Martel's on Stecher, or penalties for crosschecks to the face as we saw last night.

shoulder and elbow pads that are concrete slabs.  

[Elias Pettersson]

18 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

What? The seven Canuck players on the ice? The seven that everyone could count without any doubt?

 

I am sure part of the NHL's view is that it is a hitting league and players should be prepared at all times to be hit and take the necessary steps to be aware.

 

Boeser was barely tapped and it was his shoulder, he knew Scheifele was coming that is why he unloaded the puck when he did and Scheifele could have drilled him in the shoulder but didn't. Upper arm to shoulder. I often stated that Horton was his own worst enemy as well.

 

Sometimes players have to "learn" not to have bad habits. Sort of like texting while driving. I am also of the opinion that if a player has multiple concussions like Sven has had he should take a year off minimum, Sven has had 3 or 4 the last two years and the last two came very easily and were more severe.

 

Want head shots out, remove shoulder pads and plastic from elbow pads that will reduce concussions.

If this is the case why did Erik Karlsson just get suspended for two games for "hitting"?  Care to explain?  Was the guy he hit not "prepared" for the hit?

[stawns]

10 minutes ago, denniskearns said:

Not at all, and I agree with you about Sven--some things are more important than playing no matter how much you love it.  I don't buy the old time hockey it's always been this way argument.  Why are skilled stars from the past like Orr, Hull and others not talking about struggles with devastating post-concussion trauma but yet it seems Crosby and other current stars are going to be retiring with a half-dozen or more concussions each and the impact now seems worse?  In the no-helmet era there was a degree of respect given that seems lost now--not by all players, but by enough that every team has players out of the lineup over the season dealing with head trauma injuries.

 

It may not be a conscious decision to try to put a player out of the lineup, but it's a disregard for the targets of the hits from guys like Wilson that is too common--maybe it's more that players now skate faster and have much harder elbow padding, plus they're bigger, but if that's the case, then the onus is on the league and the players to figure out a way they can keep from shortening so many careers without it turning into an all-star game style of no-hit joke.  I don't think we lose out if there are consequences for hits like Martel's on Stecher, or penalties for crosschecks to the face as we saw last night.

again, we romanticize past eras.  Have you watched old clips recently?  Two handers over the head, slamming guys un-protected heads into the ice.  Semenko used to knee guys in the  head during fights.

[cory40]

2 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Already happened with both, "upper body injury".

McDavid had his collar bone broken.

 

Message? Benning better find a player that "protects our young guys and lets them play the game" like he stated 3 years ago. Doesn't seem to be working does it?

How many times do you need to get hit in the head before you do something about it? 8/9 times? Guys 5'10" just don't put the fear of retaliation and that is what it is the fear of retaliation not necessarily the act. Guddy doesn't scare anyone, his shoulders are buggered and he is only one, if he is out then it is open season if he is considered a deterrent.

 

As a side note the two players that got the biggest suspensions this year are also on two of the top clubs expected for a cup challenge and one just got a huge raise in pay. 

Simple the Stetcher hit is a suspension! Nothing more to say! The Karlson hit that he has the hearing for is very similar! Fans and Media and the important people have the same questions. Doing The SameThing Over and Over Again And Expecting A Different Result Is The Definition Of Insanity. Are you that kind of man?

Your comments make me think you would do the things the same as they have always been done and look for different results!

C'mon Guardian your better than the third kind of man!

[mll]

29 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

What? The seven Canuck players on the ice? The seven that everyone could count without any doubt?

 

I am sure part of the NHL's view is that it is a hitting league and players should be prepared at all times to be hit and take the necessary steps to be aware.

 

Boeser was barely tapped and it was his shoulder, he knew Scheifele was coming that is why he unloaded the puck when he did and Scheifele could have drilled him in the shoulder but didn't. Upper arm to shoulder. I often stated that Horton was his own worst enemy as well.

 

Sometimes players have to "learn" not to have bad habits. Sort of like texting while driving. I am also of the opinion that if a player has multiple concussions like Sven has had he should take a year off minimum, Sven has had 3 or 4 the last two years and the last two came very easily and were more severe.

 

Want head shots out, remove shoulder pads and plastic from elbow pads that will reduce concussions.

 

Baer went to see a concussion specialist - the same that Demko and Roussel went to see.  He gave them the green light.  Their situation is just as concerning.  Both also had several concussions. Demko said that there were days where he felt he would never recover - he was out 2 months and the shot was apparently pretty meaningless.  Roussel told Kuzma he experienced dizziness, headaches and sensitivity to light when he started skating again in Whistler.

 

The Canucks have announced 2 - the McLeod hit back in February 2017 and now this one.  When were the other ones?  

 

[cory40]

18 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Already happened with both, "upper body injury".

McDavid had his collar bone broken.

 

Message? Benning better find a player that "protects our young guys and lets them play the game" like he stated 3 years ago. Doesn't seem to be working does it?

How many times do you need to get hit in the head before you do something about it? 8/9 times? Guys 5'10" just don't put the fear of retaliation and that is what it is the fear of retaliation not necessarily the act. Guddy doesn't scare anyone, his shoulders are buggered and he is only one, if he is out then it is open season if he is considered a deterrent.

 

As a side note the two players that got the biggest suspensions this year are also on two of the top clubs expected for a cup challenge and one just got a huge raise in pay. 

Always look forward to your posts! And even if I don't agree I like your view point

[johngould21]

23 minutes ago, stawns said:

shoulder and elbow pads that are concrete slabs.  

For sure. I'm old enough to have played with leather elbow pads, and shoulder pads not made of hard plastic. Don Cherry years ago, was all over this. The new stuff is like a weapon.

[Gurn]

2 minutes ago, johngould21 said:

For sure. I'm old enough to have played with leather elbow pads, and shoulder pads not made of hard plastic. Don Cherry years ago, was all over this. The new stuff is like a weapon.

Member when?

Don  hit McLean in the head with an elbow pad and the sound was identical to the sound seconds later when Don smacked the desk with the same elbow pad?

[Phat Fingers]

30 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said:

Already happened with both, "upper body injury".

McDavid had his collar bone broken.

 

Message? Benning better find a player that "protects our young guys and lets them play the game" like he stated 3 years ago. Doesn't seem to be working does it?

How many times do you need to get hit in the head before you do something about it? 8/9 times? Guys 5'10" just don't put the fear of retaliation and that is what it is the fear of retaliation not necessarily the act. Guddy doesn't scare anyone, his shoulders are buggered and he is only one, if he is out then it is open season if he is considered a deterrent.

 

As a side note the two players that got the biggest suspensions this year are also on two of the top clubs expected for a cup challenge and one just got a huge raise in pay. 

Hamonic may disagree with Guddy and whether he is intimidating.  We do need more toughness.  But not a goon, but a guy who can play more of a regular role.  MacEwan maybe.... 

[TheGuardian_]

33 minutes ago, stawns said:

shoulder and elbow pads that are concrete slabs.  

There used to be chicken wire around rinks and shoulder pads were to help prevent cuts and such. Hitting a head with a shoulder hurt like the blazes, heads are hard.

Elbow pads were to cushion falling and against the boards, gloves protected the lower arm from slashes not elbow pads.

 

Over 20 years ago Don Cherry said there would be more concussions and he used an elbow pad to drive a nail into a board, he stated then the problem recognized or at least acknowledged today, he also stated the penalties designed to make the game faster would result in more injuries due to hitting and he and Burke said stapling a player against the boards should not be a penalty to prevent the cross checking.

32 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If this is the case why did Erik Karlsson just get suspended for two games for "hitting"?  Care to explain?  Was the guy he hit not "prepared" for the hit?

Have you noticed that suspensions seem to happen more when both players are moving, just saying it seems to be a trend. I didn't see the game but apparently it was thought that Karlsson was retaliating. It will become more problematic if players can not be hit while carrying the puck, if Karlsson had got the puck would there have been a suspension, I wonder. 

 

30 minutes ago, cory40 said:

Simple the Stetcher hit is a suspension! Nothing more to say! The Karlson hit that he has the hearing for is very similar!

I don't know, what was Stecher doing? How could Martel hit him that would be legal? He didn't jump, he didn't hit him in the back, he didn't crosscheck him, he didn't board him, he didn't use his elbow, stick or head butt him. He did hit the shoulder first. What could he do? Skate by and let Stecher get the puck and create a scoring chance? He was able to stop within 18 inches so he wasn't going as fast as he could.

 

Just being the devil's advocate here, why wasn't Stecher aware that a player was closing in on him, he was playing not watching. If a player is supposed to be able to make decisions within 1 tenth of a second, what was Stecher doing with his 2 full seconds? A bad hit equals a 1/10 of a second decision but over 2 seconds for the player hit to make a decision that changes the outcome but doesn't.