There's No Conspiracy Against the Canucks/Mantha's Dirty Hit

[DADDYROCK]

I would like to say this about the refs in the NHL,tough job, but so terrible at looking at plays and everyone in the building can see it's a penalty but the guy standing 10 feet away.

That play that took a chance to go to the Superbowl away from the Saints is a perfect example of how bad it has become in the NFL! Incompetent and should be reviewed right away from several ref's on a board to determine if a penalty should be called.I mean come on that play was just so obviously a penalty.

Now that the NHL has gone to two refs you will get the guy furthest away calling the penalty's,how is this possible.

There has to be accountability by the refs for terrible and unjust calls.Screw up at my job and YOU GONE!

 Lets all work on a level playing field and no game management stuff or dislike for certain players etc.That is the way it has to be, too many missed calls and YOU GONE!

[ForsbergTheGreat]

Why does a smirk offend people so much?

 

https://goo.gl/images/h5qs8X

 

 

[TheGuardian_]

4 hours ago, Green Goblin said:

The world needs to accelerate development in creating AI robot referees so that every call is 100% correct. Shouldn't be too difficult to create an artificial intelligence robot smarter than humans. 

 

Here's a list of movies proving such a thing:

 

Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (1977)

The Terminator (1984)

Wall-E (2008)

Blade Runner (1982)

I, Robot (2004)

Westworld (1973)

Metropolis (1927)

I believe the league in conjunction with casino's is instituting a massive camera replay system that is to be used for some things, maybe they have to be negotiated into the CBA.

[IBatch]

One of the most thankless jobs in the NHL, Zebras don’t get enough respect for what they do.  That said I think the game would be way better if we went back to just one.  Instead of missing calls out of sight, the second ref often overlooks penalties just because they only call so many anyways....and this time video replay and the fans watching at home get to see the infraction sometimes as someone pointed out, ten feet away from a ref (and obviously ignored) which if it’s your team on the short end of the stick, sucks to watch.  

 

With one less body on the ice the game would be even better, less interference and better flow.  To replace the ref have the second ref watch the game from the media area, miked in and ready to communicate what happened, with access to video replay etc if needed.  We have the technology why not use it.

[-DLC-]

I find it funny that we accept inconsistency "because it happens to others teams too.   For me, it's not just about a conspiracy against the Canucks. it's about the piss poor officiating that's happening all too often across the board.  Although, I'd argue that we have things happen (Auger/Burrows) that are out of the ordinary and are on the receiving end of too many questionable actions to not feel a little singled out at times.  But it does happen to other teams too...doesn't mean we have to accept it.

 

If refs don't get enough respect it's likely because they aren't earning it.  I feel they're terrible lately, but I blame the league that oversees it all. They're still putting players at risk and not doing a good enough job of enforcing things that are targeted. 

You can't tell me that, at least at times, they don't pick and choose.  Sometimes a crosscheck is called, other times (especially in front of the net), it's a free for all.  You can't enforce rules selectively or people miss the message.

 

[TheRealistOptimist]

4 hours ago, Fanuck said:

A.  How can it be a cross check if Mantha only has one hand on his stick?  Not possible. 

B.  How can it be 'in the numbers' if main contact is to the head?  Again, not possible to principaly hit numbers and head, it's one or the other. 

Are we really complaining this much about one 2 minute penalty not being called.

 

Fanuck is absolutely right this wasn’t a cross check. I hope the OP was just as mad that Raffl didn’t get a penalty for punching Malkin in the back of the head the other day or maybe you’re just a little bit of closet Flyers fan.

[elvis15]

2 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I find it funny that we accept inconsistency "because it happens to others teams too.   For me, it's not just about a conspiracy against the Canucks. it's about the piss poor officiating that's happening all too often across the board.  Although, I'd argue that we have things happen (Auger/Burrows) that are out of the ordinary and are on the receiving end of too many questionable actions to not feel a little singled out at times.  But it does happen to other teams too...doesn't mean we have to accept it.

 

If refs don't get enough respect it's likely because they aren't earning it.  I feel they're terrible lately, but I blame the league that oversees it all. They're still putting players at risk and not doing a good enough job of enforcing things that are targeted. 

You can't tell me that, at least at times, they don't pick and choose.  Sometimes a crosscheck is called, other times (especially in front of the net), it's a free for all.  You can't enforce rules selectively or people miss the message.

 

Bingo. They create their own confusion among the fans. This is particularly true not only in game, but when they "enforce" rules that are singled out to be cracked down on to start the season, and then slowly slide back to letting things go - doubly and triply so in the playoff.

[riffraff]

1 hour ago, JayDangles said:

You are correct sir. My apologies.

Simmonds you are off the hook. Also can we sign him?

I’d kick the tires.  Two years ago would have been perfect for say a four -5 year deal.  Great crease finisher and Pp guy.

[King Heffy]

At the end of the day, the issue is professionalism and integrity.  Until the league holds referees accountable for their action, garbage like this will continue.  When dirtbags like Sutherland not only retain their employment, but get assigned to playoff series, it's very clear the NHL doesn't care whether or not incompetence or corruption is the issue.  This unfortunately won't get cleaned up until Bettman is gone and we get a commissioner who actually cares about the sport.

[elvis15]

But for the video, no idea why it's in Canucks Talk. No reference to the Canucks apart from in the title. It's dirty, but probably a 2 min roughing call, maybe more if there's context from the game. It's not like they let a 5 game suspension slide and it somehow shows how the Canucks aren't the only ones not getting calls going their way (or going against them).

[-DLC-]

5 hours ago, stawns said:

Because hockey shouldn't be for p#$$ies

This just really irritates me.

 

It's not...but when a guy's on the boards, on his knees, turned away you can't give him a shot in the neck  from behind so momentum pushes him face first.

 

Dangerous stuff.   The message to send to kids isn't "you're a P" but "don't do this, it's dirty". 

 

Tough hockey doesn't come from behind like that....that's the p stuff, right there.  Take a dirty shot as a guy's down and then skate away.  Flashbacks of Messier...

[RUPERTKBD]

2 hours ago, riffraff said:

I actually kinda liked the inconsistency of reffing growing up playing.  You would have different refs, each with their own quirks and you could usually manage that during a game to some degree. 

Agreed. There are "let 'em play" refs and guys who call, it a bit more by the book. I've always preferred the former, (and that's the way I reffed) but that's just me.

 

Much like umpires have different strike zones. As long as you're consistent, guys will figure it out and adjust their game accordingly.

[cyoung]

5 hours ago, stawns said:

Because hockey shouldn't be for p#$$ies

Don't be a dbag. The hit is for "p#$$ies". That's not real hockey lol. It wasn't as bad as it could of been but God damn statements like that are just annoying.

[stawns]

56 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

This just really irritates me.

 

It's not...but when a guy's on the boards, on his knees, turned away you can't give him a shot in the neck  from behind so momentum pushes him face first.

 

Dangerous stuff.   The message to send to kids isn't "you're a P" but "don't do this, it's dirty". 

  

Tough hockey doesn't come from behind like that....that's the p stuff, right there.  Take a dirty shot as a guy's down and then skate away.  Flashbacks of Messier...

that's hockey Deb, it's always been played on the edge.........that's what makes it exciting and that play was hardly even a bump.    

[stawns]

4 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

You don't like Giroux, clearly. That was a dirty cross-check to the back of the head. 

Giroux is one of my favourite players actually.  That was a nothing play, imo.  I'd be fine with a 2 min penalty, but prefer refs let that small stuff go.

[stawns]

44 minutes ago, cyoung said:

Don't be a dbag. The hit is for "p#$$ies". That's not real hockey lol. It wasn't as bad as it could of been but God damn statements like that are just annoying.

why?  Hockey is a rough game, played on the edge.........as a player and a fan, that's the type of game I enjoy.  You don't, that's your right.

 

It was a modertaley cheap play, but I have no issue with cheap plays in the game and I doubt Giroux gave it 10 seconds of thought.

[stawns]

2 hours ago, DADDYROCK said:

I would like to say this about the refs in the NHL,tough job, but so terrible at looking at plays and everyone in the building can see it's a penalty but the guy standing 10 feet away.

That play that took a chance to go to the Superbowl away from the Saints is a perfect example of how bad it has become in the NFL! Incompetent and should be reviewed right away from several ref's on a board to determine if a penalty should be called.I mean come on that play was just so obviously a penalty.

Now that the NHL has gone to two refs you will get the guy furthest away calling the penalty's,how is this possible.

There has to be accountability by the refs for terrible and unjust calls.Screw up at my job and YOU GONE!

 Lets all work on a level playing field and no game management stuff or dislike for certain players etc.That is the way it has to be, too many missed calls and YOU GONE!

do you realize how long games would be?

[stawns]

1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

I find it funny that we accept inconsistency "because it happens to others teams too.   For me, it's not just about a conspiracy against the Canucks. it's about the piss poor officiating that's happening all too often across the board.  Although, I'd argue that we have things happen (Auger/Burrows) that are out of the ordinary and are on the receiving end of too many questionable actions to not feel a little singled out at times.  But it does happen to other teams too...doesn't mean we have to accept it.

  

If refs don't get enough respect it's likely because they aren't earning it.  I feel they're terrible lately, but I blame the league that oversees it all. They're still putting players at risk and not doing a good enough job of enforcing things that are targeted. 

You can't tell me that, at least at times, they don't pick and choose.  Sometimes a crosscheck is called, other times (especially in front of the net), it's a free for all.  You can't enforce rules selectively or people miss the message.

  

I think fans who haven't played much or reffed don't really understand how fast the game is and how quickly things happen.  Again, these are the best officials in the world, so doesn't that tell you that maybe it's a tough, tough job and that accepting that the majority of offenses go unseen is as good as it's going to get? 

 

I will say that officiating is more consistent than it ever has been, by a mile, but it comes with a price.......games decided by special teams, not 5v5 play.  I'd like them to call less, not more.

[Amebushi]

23 minutes ago, stawns said:

that's hockey Deb, it's always been played on the edge.........that's what makes it exciting and that play was hardly even a bump.    

Going to have to disagree on this one. Hockey is played on the edge, but shots to the back of the head to an opponent who is down is not what keeps it exciting for me. Hard nosed in your face hockey involves being face to face. I’m my world getting hit from behind is wrong and has no place in sports. 

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

Going to have to disagree on this one. Hockey is played on the edge, but shots to the back of the head to an opponent who is down is not what keeps it exciting for me. Hard nosed in your face hockey involves being face to face. I’m my world getting hit from behind is wrong and has no place in sports. 

you don't get one without the other, imo.  I like a league with a little personality and rivalry, and that usually comes from cheap plays and cheap players.  Obviously there's a line, but that play was nowhere even close to the line.