[Trade] Canucks trade Erik Gudbranson to Penguins for Tanner Pearson

[189lb enforcers?]

Is there a dedicated thread concerning this TDL somewhere? 

 

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Thanks Warhippy...

 

Edited February 26, 2019 by 189lb enforcers?

[Kanukfanatic]

1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

You do know not every play is shown on the jumbotron right? Especially suspendeable plays by the home team...

How do you stomach supporting such a lack of character and backbone by making excuses for the Canucks not standing up for Petey?

 

Anyway, I am done with back and forth as we disagree on this completely.

 

I am glad Guddy is gone as he ended up being an awful defenseman (some say the worst in the entire league) and he himself admitted as much in his goodbye speech. I think I would have preferred a 2nd round pick but maybe Pearson can get his numbers back up playing with Bo or Petey. 

[canuck73_3]

1 minute ago, Kanukfanatic said:

How do you stomach supporting such a lack of character and backbone by making excuses for the Canucks not standing up for Petey?

 

Anyway, I am done with back and forth as we disagree on this completely.

 

I am glad Guddy is gone as he ended up being an awful defenseman (some say the worst in the entire league) and he himself admitted as much in his goodbye speech. I think I would have preferred a 2nd round pick but maybe Pearson can get his numbers back up playing with Bo or Petey. 

I've made it very clear. “IF THEY SAW IT IT’S INEXCUSEABLE” they responded the next game after they saw what happened. He was too chickens*** to answer. So what makes you think he'd do anything but turtle in the same game. Christ read my post @luckylager and @189lb enforcers? have both understood my take. 

[189lb enforcers?]

2 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

How do you stomach supporting such a lack of character and backbone by making excuses for the Canucks not standing up for Petey?

 

Anyway, I am done with back and forth as we disagree on this completely.

 

I am glad Guddy is gone as he ended up being an awful defenseman (some say the worst in the entire league) and he himself admitted as much in his goodbye speech. I think I would have preferred a 2nd round pick but maybe Pearson can get his numbers back up playing with Bo or Petey. 

I agree in full, but I think that 73 was only meaning to state that some teams are surely savvy enough to know to not put certain video up on the jumbotron as to help the rival team whenever possible. 

[IBatch]

1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

I don't necessarily disagree but the Kotkaniemi play was more of a fluke incident than a vicious one. I give him the benefit of the doubt compared to a full on bodyslam. 

I think he accidentally on purpose took EP out of the game.  He said otherwise, but what else is he going to say...he was more honest a week before where he publicly stated he hated Swedes...which is pretty normal in their culture, in the international stage the Swedes are like their big brother that never goes easy on them.   And they celebrate beating them like winning a gold medal no matter the stage and if it’s a nothing game (and when it if a real gold medal immortalize it on stamps and coins).   I just wish this team stood up for each other more right away, take the penalty and make it hard for them to beat on our skill guys.

 

 That said they get full marks as they did stand up for EP when they played Florida again, and for what that’s worth it did send a message that they are willing to balance the books for guys that get away with one.  Wonder if they’re memories will be as long for Kout however you spell his name too.

[JamesB]

6 hours ago, IBatch said:

Yep, Benning just lied to his fan base and traded one of his “untouchables” (go back a year and listen to the guys he listed, Dahlen was one of them) for...gulp a guy that isn’t nearly as good as he was at 19.  I agree that management should consider making some trades with out futures to make the team better now, this move was NOT one of them. 

 

6 hours ago, BananaMash said:

Probably one of the better reclamation projects Benning has picked up, in my opinion. He's had a rough year, but I think he's also been played in pretty inconsistent roles due to the Penguins depth. He'll have a good chance to get himself back on track here, with how few wingers we really have.

 

For Gudbranson with no retained salary, I think he's a nice return. 

 

6 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I'll forgive him for trading Dahlen, as it seems he was a problem (demanding an NHL callup despite not showing anyone that he was ready). What I don't forgive him for is not holding out and waiting for a better deal to present itself. Even if a better deal hadn't materialized, this deal would likely still be on the table in the offseason. If I'm San Jose I'm certainly not pulling this off of the table. Dahlen's camp didn't have any cards to play, so there was no real harm in waiting and trying to come up with something better. 

1. I am disappointed that Benning did not obtain draft picks in making these deals. The one thing the Benning regime has done quite well is drafting. Their record on trades (including trading for Guddy and Dahlen) is mediocre at best. Therefore, why not play to your strength and acquire more picks. I see no value in (maybe) adding to the scoring this season by picking up Pearson. 

 

2. Pearson's career trajectory is alarmingly similar to Spooner's. He was pretty good in his early 20s but, at age 26, he has had a poor year in Pitt after a disastrous start in LA. Most forwards peak at about age 26 or 27, but some guys decline sharply. This year (at age 26) he has 15 pts in 61 games for a 0.25 PPG -- which is about a 4th line level -- and he is -15. And his cap hit is 3.75 million. At this stage I think he looks like a "project".

 

3. Still, Guddy has really struggled over his three years in Vancouver and, by a number of measures, such as 5-on-5 goals against per 60 minutes, is among the worst in the NHL. So trading him for Pearson probably does improve the team. To some extent, Pitt and Vancouver are trading liabilities with the hope those guys can address immediate concerns. Pitt is desperate for help on the back end with its recent injuries and Vancouver is desperate for a scoring winger. It is not particularly likely that either problem gets solved but at least each team has a chance to solve a major problem.

 

4. However, I think it is reasonable to ask how Benning has handled his assets overall. In this case, Benning had a #24 overall pick, which turned into McCann. Benning then traded McCann and a high 2nd round pick and high 4th round pick for Guddy and a 5th round pick. And now he has acquired a guy who is struggling for Guddy. That sequence consists entirely of Benning decisions. We might say that McCann was not that great, but Benning was the guy who picked him. So Benning has transformed a #24 overall pick and a high 2nd round pick into a guy who is, at this stage, a project. 

 

5. Similarly, Benning traded Burrows to Ottawa for Dahlen, who has now transformed into Linus Karlsson, a 3rd round pick who has not done nearly as well in the Alssvenskan as Dahlen did at the same age. So Burrows has become a former third round pick who, let's face it, is a long shot to ever play in the NHL.  The one thing I like is that the amateur scouts (i.e. Judd Brackett) apparently liked him in the draft, and Brackett has a good track record.

 

Whenever Benning makes a move, a majority of people on CDC are positive. And, of course, we all want to hope for the best and home bias is a strong effect. But I think that today's moves are probably no better then neutral overall and reflect past decisions that were not that great. 

Edited February 26, 2019 by JamesB

[Lafayettecrossbar]

4 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

Disagree, teams were awful quiet with him on the ice. 

Except when they were celebrating the goal they scored

[IBatch]

7 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

 

1. I am disappointed that Benning did not obtain draft picks in making these deals. The one thing the Benning regime has done quite well is drafting. Their record on trades (including trading for Guddy and Dahlen) is mediocre at best. Therefore, why not play to your strength and acquire more picks. I see no value in (maybe) adding to the scoring this season by picking up Pearson. 

 

2. Pearson's career trajectory is alarmingly similar to Spooner's. He was pretty good in his early 20s but, at age 26, he has had a poor year in Pitt after a disastrous start in LA. Most forwards peak at about age 26 or 27, but some guys decline sharply. This year (at age 26) he has 15 pts in 61 games for a 0.25 PPG -- which is about a 4th line level -- and he is -15. And his cap hit is 3.75 million. At this stage I think he looks like a "project".

 

3. Still, Guddy has really struggled over his three years in Vancouver and, by a number of measures, such as 5-on-5 goals against per 60 minutes, is among the worst in the NHL. So trading him for Pearson probably does improve the team. To some extent, Pitt and Vancouver are trading liabilities with the hope those guys can address immediate concerns. Pitt is desperate for help on the back end with its recent injuries and Vancouver is desperate for a scoring winger. It is not particularly likely that either problem gets solved but at least each team has a chance to solve a major problem.

 

4. However, I think it is reasonable to ask how Benning has handled his assets overall. In this case, Benning had a #24 overall pick, which turned into McCann. Benning then traded McCann and a high 2nd round pick and high 4th round pick for Guddy and a 5th round pick. And now he has acquired a guy who is struggling for Guddy. That sequence consists entirely of Benning decisions. We might say that McCann was not that great, but Benning was the guy who picked him. So Benning has transformed a #24 overall pick and a high 2nd round pick into a guy who is, at this stage, a project. 

 

5. Similarly, Benning traded Burroughs to Ottawa for Dahlen, who has now transformed into Linus Karlsson, a 3rd round pick who has not done nearly as well in the Alssvenskan as Dahlen did at the same age. So Burroughs have become a former third round pick who, let's face it, is a long shot to ever play in the NHL.  The one thing like is that the amateur scouts (i.e. Judd Brackett) apparently liked him in the draft, and Brackett has a good track record.

 

Whenever Benning makes a move, a majority of people on CDC are positive. And, of course, we all want to hope for the best and home bias is a strong effect. But I think that today's moves are probably no better then neutral overall and reflect past decisions that were not that great. 

JamesB that is a great summation with a good insight.  Thanks for posting.

[Ray_Cathode]

4 hours ago, Virtanen The Great said:

All the people saying they're stoked for this. He was our only tough heavyweight we had to stick up for our young stars. Roussel cant do it all bu himself. I would have kept gudbranson 100%

Buddy might fight once every 20 games, the rest of the timt he was required to play defence.  Unfortunately,he is not an NHL defenceman - not because of his skating, but because his thinking skills are not up to the pace of the game.

[appleboy]

I was looking at our roster and we are slowly getting as they would say, heavier. I also noticed that Goldy is 196 lbs. When did that happen? Has he been eating his weeties?

[Gurn]

22 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Who has come here of note other than sundin..

Ryan Miller

Dimitra

Vanek

 

[rekker]

Just now, Ray_Cathode said:

Buddy might fight once every 20 games, the rest of the timt he was required to play defence.  Unfortunately,he is not an NHL defenceman - not because of his skating, but because his thinking skills are not up to the pace of the game.

Yes on all parts. Except Guds quick turns and blade work are atrocious. 

[riffraff]

1 minute ago, gurn said:

Ryan Miller

Dimitra

Vanek

 

People are taking Myers and karlsson......totally different levels.

[189lb enforcers?]

4 minutes ago, Lafayettecrossbar said:

Except when they were celebrating the goal they scored

Pick your pain.

[Gurn]

4 minutes ago, riffraff said:

People are taking Myers and karlsson......totally different levels.

I'd prefer neither.

Too soon for that kind of play, imo.

[40Dangles]

23 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

 

1. I am disappointed that Benning did not obtain draft picks in making these deals. The one thing the Benning regime has done quite well is drafting. Their record on trades (including trading for Guddy and Dahlen) is mediocre at best. Therefore, why not play to your strength and acquire more picks. I see no value in (maybe) adding to the scoring this season by picking up Pearson.  

 

2. Pearson's career trajectory is alarmingly similar to Spooner's. He was pretty good in his early 20s but, at age 26, he has had a poor year in Pitt after a disastrous start in LA. Most forwards peak at about age 26 or 27, but some guys decline sharply. This year (at age 26) he has 15 pts in 61 games for a 0.25 PPG -- which is about a 4th line level -- and he is -15. And his cap hit is 3.75 million. At this stage I think he looks like a "project". 

 

3. Still, Guddy has really struggled over his three years in Vancouver and, by a number of measures, such as 5-on-5 goals against per 60 minutes, is among the worst in the NHL. So trading him for Pearson probably does improve the team. To some extent, Pitt and Vancouver are trading liabilities with the hope those guys can address immediate concerns. Pitt is desperate for help on the back end with its recent injuries and Vancouver is desperate for a scoring winger. It is not particularly likely that either problem gets solved but at least each team has a chance to solve a major problem. 

 

4. However, I think it is reasonable to ask how Benning has handled his assets overall. In this case, Benning had a #24 overall pick, which turned into McCann. Benning then traded McCann and a high 2nd round pick and high 4th round pick for Guddy and a 5th round pick. And now he has acquired a guy who is struggling for Guddy. That sequence consists entirely of Benning decisions. We might say that McCann was not that great, but Benning was the guy who picked him. So Benning has transformed a #24 overall pick and a high 2nd round pick into a guy who is, at this stage, a project.  

 

5. Similarly, Benning traded Burroughs to Ottawa for Dahlen, who has now transformed into Linus Karlsson, a 3rd round pick who has not done nearly as well in the Alssvenskan as Dahlen did at the same age. So Burroughs have become a former third round pick who, let's face it, is a long shot to ever play in the NHL.  The one thing like is that the amateur scouts (i.e. Judd Brackett) apparently liked him in the draft, and Brackett has a good track record.

 

Whenever Benning makes a move, a majority of people on CDC are positive. And, of course, we all want to hope for the best and home bias is a strong effect. But I think that today's moves are probably no better then neutral overall and reflect past decisions that were not that great. 

One of the best critiques of JB I've seen. All GM's however, have some wins and some losses. I can't disagree with a word you've said here other than we need to now wait and see. Much like people screamed when we traded a 2nd for Baer, or complained about the Shinkaruk trade etc, the only thing we can do is wait and see. Again, I can't disagree with anything here, and actually think JB on the whole has shown the weakest aspect of his abilities is trading. As such, getting more picks is smarter, given drafting is a strength, but in a league where picks are getting harder to get, who's to say picks were available for either Dhalen or Guddy.

 

As for Karlsson, apparently he was someone we wanted in the draft, so we've scouted him - if our scouts (especially Gradin and he would have been the one given he's our Swedish and Lead European scout)  liked him, that says alot to me (Gradin has shown he knows how to find talent). Karlsson's numbers may not be as impressive as Dhalen's but  if you look at his advanced stats, they are off the charts, and Dhalen clearly wasn't happy being 'coached' to play the way Vancouver wanted (ie he requested a trade).

 

I think sometimes fans here expect every deal we make is going to be based on 'our' view of a player, and not the reality of the player and their true market value. Guddy was not getting us more than a 4th round pick the way he was playing. His play fell off a cliff, when that happens all you can do is try to correct/salvage it. Pearson has talent, he may fit in nicely, he may not. Let's see how he works out. His cap hit means nothing, we have more than enough cap room.

Edited February 26, 2019 by 40Dangles

[appleboy]

If Hughes pans out then we need a real solid defensive shut down guy. A mobile minute munching machine. 

[Gelinas34]

4 hours ago, HKSR said:

Just don't be complaining when nobody is able to step up when our young guys get hit.

I won’t. I remember when Guddy stepped up and dropped Matheson for WWEing Petey in that Florida game and when he helicopter spun Cockamany after he leg wrestled Petey to the ground for reverse checking him in the Habs game. The second coming of Jovo-cop fer sure 

[Drakrami]

Is Benning making trade for the sake of making trades? Because this Gundrabson and Dahlen trade is downright HORRIBLE. Not to mention it shows Benning's lack of direction as a GM.

[messier's_elbow]

It seems I liked Guddy more then most. HF boards are celebrating.

 

 I really liked Guddys size and intimidation. But even I can admit he’s been sucking bad lately and this might be for the best. I think they (management) might have looked into this after the Arizona game. Guddy looked overwhelmed out there...

 

 Pearson doesn’t sound to happy to be coming here, but I guess we will see what happens.