Phil_314 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 16 hours ago, Googlie said: Carson Focht and Dmitri Zlodeyev are both illegitimate?? What are the odds of that? Hopefully Costmar pans out too as maybe a Dave Bolland type 2nd C with edge and defensive prowess (if not some scoring ability). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: Hopefully Costmar pans out too as maybe a Dave Bolland type 2nd C with edge and defensive prowess (if not some scoring ability). He's willing enough ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Googlie said: He's willing enough ..... Looks a little bit like a Swedish Esa Tikkanen in that clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, 4petesake said: Looks a little bit like a Swedish Esa Tikkanen in that clip. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taphouse Canuck Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 The OP has him at 6'1" and 179 lb. and that was 2019. The post on the Nucks website says they have signed him and he is 6'1" and 178 lb. Was the OP edited to show his current weight or has he stayed the same size for nearly 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 From watching his highlights, he knows where to be to be open for passes and good at finishing and can snipe like Petey by a laser beam wrist shot. However like Petey he's going to have to learn to do it quicker and not let sticks or bodies get in the way and the goalie time to get set. Pretty good trade for Dahlen, quite the upgrade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Dbl post whoops Edited May 29, 2022 by iceman64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Taphouse Canuck said: The OP has him at 6'1" and 179 lb. and that was 2019. The post on the Nucks website says they have signed him and he is 6'1" and 178 lb. Was the OP edited to show his current weight or has he stayed the same size for nearly 3 years? That depends where you get it from, some have 6'2.. others have his weight at 184 (ish).. I'm not sure he will get taller but if anything he will gain a bit of muscle weight and fill out is about his only thing he might win from working on but not THAT necessary, 180 at 6'1 isn't a bad weight but 190 I think for him would be perfect and come in handy for corner battles etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 14 hours ago, Dazzle said: How many draft picks did Gillis flub in his tenure here? Then look at what Benning inherited versus Gillis. Yes, every GM starts with something, but Gillis left his successor with a lot of bare cupboards. The team went all in for a run at the Stanley, and that is what happens when you are consistently picking low in the draft and trading picks to fill spots in a contending team. Benning, by comparison, blew the cap, consistently missed the playoffs, blew two fifth overall first rounders, made the playoffs only once and still left the cupboard bare after trading away two first rounders. And not a sniff to show for it. After all of that we have one of the weakest prospect list in the league, and a cap structure that is a ten ton boat anchor on a row boat. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 4 hours ago, iceman64 said: That depends where you get it from, some have 6'2.. others have his weight at 184 (ish).. I'm not sure he will get taller but if anything he will gain a bit of muscle weight and fill out is about his only thing he might win from working on but not THAT necessary, 180 at 6'1 isn't a bad weight but 190 I think for him would be perfect and come in handy for corner battles etc. They had Podkolzin at 6'4" on some websites including the KHL website. Everyone thought he grew 3 inches from his draft year. Obviously Podzilla isn't 6'4" so Kalrsson is most likely 6'1" but probably heavier than 179lbs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 11 hours ago, Alflives said: He sure looks looks like a centre. Very smart player, who uses his hockey sense to be ahead of the play instead of relying on foot speed - which he lacks. We have moved Woo to winger, so this new regime will put guys where they feel the player has (like you say) the best chance to have a shot a team making the big club. Karlsson doesn't play the game like a centre and doesn't take many faceoffs. I don't think it's smart to try and develop him into one, as I don't see him as a 3C. Play him with Petey as a RW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Karlsson doesn't play the game like a centre and doesn't take many faceoffs. I don't think it's smart to try and develop him into one, as I don't see him as a 3C. Play him with Petey as a RW... Just walks right on to the top line eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: The team went all in for a run at the Stanley, and that is what happens when you are consistently picking low in the draft and trading picks to fill spots in a contending team. Benning, by comparison, blew the cap, consistently missed the playoffs, blew two fifth overall first rounders, made the playoffs only once and still left the cupboard bare after trading away two first rounders. And not a sniff to show for it. After all of that we have one of the weakest prospect list in the league, and a cap structure that is a ten ton boat anchor on a row boat. That is a hilariously inadequate description of what happened. Contrary to this myth of Gillis picking low, Gillis has actually picked very high on two occasions - one was Cody Hodgson (right when Gillis took over), and Bo Horvat (traded away a goalie asset for it). It should also be mentioned that Hodgson was a pretty good pick, but with the way things turned out in the end, we ended up offloading him for some insignificant pieces. Strike 1. Bo Horvat is undoubtedly a good player now, but he was not necessarily a sure thing. His weakness at the time was his skating. For us to trade a sure thing (Cory Schneider) to get an unknown high draft pick, that is a huge question mark about "asset management". To expand on this, the way the Luongo/Schneider situation was handled, Gillis managed to worsen our goalie depth because Luongo was supposed to be traded away for Schneider. Imagine if Horvat turned out to be a Brendan Gaunce (another Gillis draft pick)... it's absurd to assume that a 9th overall would certainly make the NHL. We know there are no guarantees. Let all of that sink in. On top of this, it's not like GIllis didn't have first round picks. As mentioned before, Gaunce was one, but he also had Niklas Jensen. Although both of these were late first round picks, are we just going to make excuses for how player development was under Gillis? 2013 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2013 Entry 9 1 Bo Horvat C London Knights [OHL] 572 170 196 366 188 2013 Entry 24 1 Hunter Shinkaruk L Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL] 15 2 2 4 4 2013 Entry 85 3 Cole Cassels C Oshawa Generals [OHL] 2013 Entry 115 4 Jordan Subban D Belleville Bulls [OHL] 2013 Entry 145 5 Anton Cederholm D Rogle Jrs. (Sweden) 2013 Entry 175 6 Mike Williamson D Spruce Grove Saints [AJHL] 2013 Entry 205 7 Miles Liberati D London Knights [OHL] 2012 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2012 Entry 26 1 Brendan Gaunce C Belleville Bulls [OHL] 148 11 12 23 59 2012 Entry 57 2 Alexandre Mallet C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 2012 Entry 147 5 Ben Hutton D Nepean Raiders [CCHL] 437 19 85 104 168 2012 Entry 177 6 Wesley Myron F Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL] 2012 Entry 207 7 Matthew Beattie R Exeter [N.H. H.S.] 2011 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2011 Entry 29 1 Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 31 3 3 6 10 2011 Entry 71 3 David Honzik G Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 2011 Entry 90 3 Alexandre Grenier R Quebec Remparts [QMJHL] 9 0 0 0 2 2011 Entry 101 4 Joseph LaBate L Holy Angels Academy (Minn.) 13 0 0 0 21 2011 Entry 120 4 Ludwig Blomstrand L Djurgardens Jr. [Swe-Jr] 2011 Entry 150 5 Frankie Corrado D Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 76 3 5 8 40 2011 Entry 180 6 Pathrik Westerholm L Malmo Redhawks [Swe-1] 2011 Entry 210 7 Henrik Tommernes D Frolunda HC [SEL] 2010 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2010 Entry 115 4 Patrick McNally D Milton Academy [Mass.] 2010 Entry 145 5 Adam Polasek D Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL] 2010 Entry 172 6 Alex Friesen C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 1 0 0 0 0 2010 Entry 175 6 Jonathan Iilahti G Blues Jrs (Finland) 2010 Entry 205 7 Sawyer Hannay D Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 2009 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2009 Entry 22 1 Jordan Schroeder L U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 165 18 24 42 14 2009 Entry 53 2 Anton Rodin R Brynas Jr. [Swe-Jr] 3 0 1 1 0 2009 Entry 83 3 Kevin Connauton D Western Michigan University [CCHA] 360 28 52 80 188 2009 Entry 113 4 Jeremy Price D Nepean Raiders [CJHL] 2009 Entry 143 5 Peter Andersson D Vastra Frolunda Jr. [Swe-Jr] 2009 Entry 173 6 Joe Cannata G Merrimack College [H-East] 2009 Entry 187 7 Steven Anthony L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 2008 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2008 Entry 10 1 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Battalion [OHL] 328 64 78 142 68 2008 Entry 41 2 Yann Sauve D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8 0 0 0 0 2008 Entry 131 5 Prabh Rai C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 2008 Entry 161 6 Mats Josten-Froshaug C Linkoping HC Jr. [Swe-Jr] 2008 Entry 191 7 Morgan Clark G Red Deer Rebels [WHL] Player development and drafting were clearly pitfalls in Gillis' administration. For a guy that did so much for the Canucks, he sure hasn't been able to find another executive job elsewhere, which is pretty rare. Sure, part of it was the way he was blackballed, but when you look at the actual results, Gillis was probably a difficult to negotiate man, so no one (except Florida) was usually interested. Gillis sucked, big time. Of course I acknowledge that the Canucks went all-in and the Canucks had some great seasons, the point out of this was the cost in doing so. This fanbase often forgets what it cost to go all-in. We were certainly still paying the price for depth not that long ago. Gillis had next to no NHL prospects infused into the lineup when he left. Edited May 29, 2022 by Dazzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Karlsson doesn't play the game like a centre and doesn't take many faceoffs. I don't think it's smart to try and develop him into one, as I don't see him as a 3C. Play him with Petey as a RW... Well, actually Karlsson does play like a centre. He’s very smart, and sees the game quicker than most. He can score, and that’s the only reason why we are moving him to wing. Faceoffs can be taught. Thinking and vision are not teachable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Well, actually Karlsson does play like a centre. He’s very smart, and sees the game quicker than most. He can score, and that’s the only reason why we are moving him to wing. Faceoffs can be taught. Thinking and vision are not teachable. He's going to be in Abby anyway, so why not explore his 3C potential? if he's capable, its a big win for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 6 hours ago, 73 Percent said: Just walks right on to the top line eh? Not right away. He’ll be in Abby for a year. But if he has a good 200’ game and has a great shot why not try him there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dazzle said: price for depth not that long ago. Gillis had next to no NHL prospects infused into the lineup when he left. Very much this. The team Gillis left had three U28 regular players on the roster, and a prospect pool that ultimately yielded Horvat, Markstrom, and Hutton. The most prominent players were in their late twenties to mid-thirties with 2-4 years left on their contracts (often with an NTC/NMC in place). It doesn't take a genius to realize that there is going to be a difficult situation coming up, whereby year-over-year attrition erodes the roster quicker than they can replace it from within. The team is then forced to look outside the org. for players which involves taking risks. There may not have been a team in the league that were worse positioned for the future than the Canucks in spring '14. Fortunately for Gillis, he didn't have to stick around to deal with the situation. Edited May 29, 2022 by BlastPast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 55 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Not right away. He’ll be in Abby for a year. But if he has a good 200’ game and has a great shot why not try him there? That's a lot more ifs and buts than your original post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 7 hours ago, 73 Percent said: Just walks right on to the top line eh? I thought Miller centered the top line. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 21 hours ago, Googlie said: I thought Miller centered the top line. No? Miller is bye bye mode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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