Hindustan Smyl Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 [proposal] Boeser + 10th for Byram + [winger] Boeser + 10th for 3-5OA + winger. I haven’t checked the lottery draft rankings, but Chicago is 3rd right? LA is 5th? I doubt Bryam drops to 5thOA but if he does, how about a Boeser + 10th for Toffoli + 5th OA? Similar deal for 3rd or 4th overall. Boeser + 10th for Byram + winger. On July 1st, we then go hard after Dzingel or Panarin to compensate the loss of Boeser. Best case scenario: We land a top notch defensive prospect in Byram + a decent enough replacement for Boeser in the form of Dzingel or Panarin. Worst case scenario: We land a top notch defensive prospect in Byram + a semi decent winger in return in said trade + we clear cap space by moving Boeser who will need to be reupped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I want what he’s having Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 As a general rule, never trade a known commodity for an unknown commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeydew Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Honeydew said: Why? A few reasons why I would consider this: 1) For a rebuilding team, it’s more important to solidify the Center position and Defense before finishing up the wings. This is also one reason why I would never move Horvat (as 1-2 other threads have suggested), and would be more inclined to move Boeser before moving Horvat. With Byram and Hughes on our defense, our defense would likely be solidifed. 2) July 1st is just around the corner and a number of good top 6 wingers are available.......and we have cap space! Given the amount of cap space that we have, it’s extremely UNlikely that we would miss out on ALL of the following: -Panarin -Dzingel -Duchene -Skinner etc. (Ferland, Connolly) It would be VERY likely that we would be able to land atleast one of the above. End result? Defense = huge improvement. Wings = slight downgrade....or even zero downgrade if you land a guy like Panarin. Overall net gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Dats hockey said: I want what he’s having You want a Mixed Berry Smoothie and a grilled chicken quesadilla? Head over to the nearest Element Fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said: I doubt Bryam drops to 5thOA... Actually I think there is a decent chance Byram drops to #5. He may be the BPA at #3 but both CHI and COL (picking at #3 and #4) have a wealth of young Dmen. There is a reasonable chance they both pick based on other needs and Byram falls to LAK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I understand your idea that wingers can be added later and are more easily found in FA compared to C or D... BUT WE ARE NOT GIVING UP BOESER!!!!!! I think realistically LAK will take Byram if he is still there at #5 and run, but they may be tempted by a deal that helps them get younger, sheds cap and gives them another pick and prospect How about a deal like: To VAN: 5th overall, Phaneuf To LAK: 10th overall, 40th overall, Hutton Phaneuf has negative value at 34yo and $5.25m, and LAK needs to desperately make some cap space. VAN can afford two more seasons of Phaneuf and could use his grit on the 3rd pairing LD. LAK upgrade to a younger LD that can handle top 4 minutes and has good size for the Western conference. Plus add an early second rounder. I’d only do something like the above. NOT TRADING BOESER! Petey, Boes, Bo, Quinn, Demko should be considered our future core and should not be traded unless a ridiculous offer is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheif16 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said: [proposal] Boeser + 10th for Byram + [winger] Boeser + 10th for 3-5OA + winger. I haven’t checked the lottery draft rankings, but Chicago is 3rd right? LA is 5th? I doubt Bryam drops to 5thOA but if he does, how about a Boeser + 10th for Toffoli + 5th OA? Similar deal for 3rd or 4th overall. Boeser + 10th for Byram + winger. On July 1st, we then go hard after Dzingel or Panarin to compensate the loss of Boeser. Best case scenario: We land a top notch defensive prospect in Byram + a decent enough replacement for Boeser in the form of Dzingel or Panarin. Worst case scenario: We land a top notch defensive prospect in Byram + a semi decent winger in return in said trade + we clear cap space by moving Boeser who will need to be reupped. Uhm no thanks!! Rather have Boeser and one of Cozens, Krebs, Caufield, Boldy, Zegras, Soderström,.. Canucks are not trading Boeser, EP40, Captain Bo or Quinn as they mentioned several times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 As good a year Bowen is having, and as good a prospect he is, I don't think he's worth trading Boeser for. Byram kinds of reminds me of Dobson last year. Their stats are similar in their draft year...and both had huge playoffs and a deep run with their team. They both play with a stacked team, and I think that kind of overvalue the players IMO. I think both will have great career in the NHL...however it remain to be seen if these guys are going to be at a level of a Duncan Keith or more like a Jay Bouwmeester type of players. Because of this, I don't think you trade a known asset like Boeser for an unknown like Byram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 If ?boeser was 27 or older, and considering where we are in our rebuild, then yes. However, Boeser is young, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sedinery33 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I'd rather draft Soderstrom on D and hope he turns out than give up Boeser and hope Byram turns out. Either way you are drafting D, not many jump into the NHL right away and help a team. Byram is no different. Yeah he had a monster playoffs in the WHL, that means squat in the NHL. I would explore other ways to achieve this deal, but I think Benning would want to keep our young guys together. Horvat, Boeser, Petey, Gaud, Hughes, Demko... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Boeser's 22 and not counting his nine game stint has played two seasons scoring no less than 26 goals and 55 points. He's one of three players were have who are under 25 and have shown they're legit top six pieces. I'm not trading him alongside the 10th for potential in Byram and a winger. Especially not with Hughes stepping in next season. I'd happy take whoever we get at 10 instead. The only way to acquire young, scoring forwards like Boeser without giving up a ton in a trade is by drafting them. It's true that the same goes for D. But I'm not a fan of opening one hole trying to fill another, especially when Byram is unproven at the NHL level while Boeser is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I've started typing and re-editing about 10 times..... I can't say enough about how much I hate this deal. You don't trade guys like Boeser for picks. BB is a 30+ goal lock, and a quality human. You build teams around guy like him. We're actually building what looks to be a very resilient d core with Hughes, OJ, Woo, Rathbone all within about 2 years of each other. Not to mention whoever we pick up this year. Yes it would be nice to have had lotto luck but we're just going to have to continue with the old fashioned method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Sometimes i find that Boeser doesnt get much respect around here. If you take Pettersson out of the equation how many guys, in franchise history, have put up Boeser's numbers in their first 2 years? Yeah. Lets trade that for a poker chip - although its a blue chip, you just never know. While we are at it, lets trade Pettersson for a top 3 pick too. Dont mean to get chippy HS, we are finally accumulating top tier young players...we shouldn't be giving them up for draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said: Boeser I read the title and didn't read the rest. Because it's actually ridiculous. Fun fact there is only one player from the 2015 draft that has a better GPG average and that is Connor McDavid. Also - 17th in GPG since 2016-2017 season. His 0.83 PPG over the last two seasons as an RFA puts him at a higher average than Jack Eichel, tied with Leon Draisaitl in their last two seasons. Plain and simply put - you're trading a young talented sniper who's got elite makings for a chance at a similar player? Easy no. Hard pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 7 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: As a general rule, never trade a known commodity for an unknown commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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