DrJockitch Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wanless said: A second round pick, 53 to be exact, that turned into Rasmus andersson. He has 19 points in 90 games. Baertschi took 51 games to get to 21 points and is now putting up just over 0.5 points a game. It was a good trade And do some research before calling someone out, you might not look as bad as you're trying to make them look We are going to disregard the whole D vs wing part of this calculation. I am not saying it was or wasn't a decent trade but that is not a reasonable comparison between players. Frankly I would rather have Anderson but that is fully a hindsight thing and has more to do with concussions. If you accept the concept that we needed to fill in the roster with some 20 somethings at that time, the Vey and Baertschi deals were both reasonable. I don't agree with the concept but the trades were reasonable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, kloubek said: I totally agree. Seems like the moment one of our guys starts building an injury history the fanbase want to get rid of them. I understand the reasoning, but I don't think it is fair. Baer has had concussions, of course. But if he manages to avoid them going forward, I have seen growth in his game that leads be to believe he is capable of 50 points with Bo and another good winger. Sutter has played his role very well for us until injuries hit and then he was... well.... pretty bad. But if comes back 100% and we see the Sutter of old, I think he can return to being an effective 3rd line player. He will likely have the opportunity of playing with fringe 2nd liners as we have increased our forward depth so I feel he may be poised to have a bounceback year. Used to be that Joe Montana was held up as a hero because of all the injuries he was able to come back from. In the internet era we blame the players for getting injured and that just isn't right. Sutter is tough, I think he has a reputation and a name that are better than he has been as a player for us. He has been where offence goes to die since he came to the Canucks. The advanced stats era has really changed the view on defensive specialists. If they aren't providing some meaningful offence they have to be truly elite defensively. Old school GMs like Benning that might be interested in Sutter are getting harder to find, he will need to come back healthy and start providing some effective play to be tradeable this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlwaysACanuckFan Posted July 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Remember when everyone was saying that we should sign Ferland, July 1, for 5 million cap hit? Ahhhhh, memories...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Bubble Man said: Excels in Canadian Markets or excels when younger with less concussions, I guess it’s just how you look at it. You promised to stop crying 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Here are points totals of last years players being possibly replaced by this years, at least to start Baer, Sutter or another player may be gone so this is as of now. This can be up for debate but it just goes to show the production increase that we hope to get this year with the offensive depth added. 2018-19- points before acquisitions Granlund- 22 Gaudette- 12- may start in AHL Schaller- 10 Leipsic- 5 Hutton-20 Gudbranson- 10 Pouliot- 12 Total- 91 ___________________________ 2018-19 replacement player points past year Miller- 47 Pearson- 27 Ferland- 40 Leivo- 18 Myers- 31 Hughes- 35 projected.- he had 3 point in 5 games so had to tail this projection back somewhat as certain don't expect 50 points Benn- 22 Total - 220 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 7 hours ago, iceman64 said: At any rate... brad marchand meet micheal ferland.. He met him already, and swept him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: We are going to disregard the whole D vs wing part of this calculation. I am not saying it was or wasn't a decent trade but that is not a reasonable comparison between players. Frankly I would rather have Anderson but that is fully a hindsight thing and has more to do with concussions. If you accept the concept that we needed to fill in the roster with some 20 somethings at that time, the Vey and Baertschi deals were both reasonable. I don't agree with the concept but the trades were reasonable. Different positions sure But when scoring is an issue you go out and get it. Anderssons TOI was 16/game, 19 points. Hutton had 25 his first full year as a comparable. The point is we got a second liner Flames got a 5-6 dman. They're everywhere. Hell we had 4 on the bench each game last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Canckelhead said: From what I've heard, Coach Green has been very instrumental in attracting some of these UFA signings as well. If players like a coach it can go along ways to their decisions. Travis has done a great job and I think Ferland will be just what the coach ordered. I know last year some people (myself included at times) were upset with either comments or actions by Travis when it came to Petey and the manhandling he received with no response from the team to defend him - however that seemed to change when Schenn came on the team and I expect Ferland will deter this not only for Petey but also Quinn and Brock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Man Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, steviewonder20 said: You promised to stop crying You clearly haven’t seen me cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Good addition nice signing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 5Fivehole0 Posted July 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: Why because you say so? Look what Calgary got and look at what we got. Uhh? Baertschi has been great for the Canucks, and much better than a 2nd round pick. 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Ferland Petey Brock Miller BO Pearson Leivo Sutter Virtanen Motte Beagle MacEwen Goldobin Roussel (LTIR) I'm sorry but there is no room for Baertschi anymore. He's not a 4th line player and we have guys we can call up like Gaudette plus maybe Goldobin to fill in for injuries. We also have Roussel who will be back in December. I like Jake on the 3rd line as he adds more truculence which is what we need and Leivo is also a big body. I like the look of our top 9 right now. We got some big bodies and lots of skill as well. Baertschi hopefully can be traded for a pick at full salary, if we have to retain so be it. Eriksson will be the bigger problem. Other than those two contracts we are actually quite fine. We have lots of young guys on the way as the cupboard is full now. I like our D too, some big bodies added there too. We are going to be a difficult team to play against next year. Just like Jim Benning has always envisioned. We all know now he was the one who created that Boston team that was big and nasty. Chiarelli was just a side show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Imo JB has totally reshaped this team and honestly I'm not a JB die hard. I like Myers, Miller and Ferland a lot and think this team has the perfect blend of skill, strength and energy. Imo Markstrom will continue his solid play. JB imo has made some poor trades, Vey and Baertschi come to mind, he has also made some bad signings but imo with the last 3 drafts and this off season he has totally given me a lot more confidence. its been gone over ad nauseam but I don't know that the Baer deal can be called 'poor'. His stats are solidly in top 6-7 range. Yes he's got his bell rung but so did a lot of guys. His production for the cost of a 2nd was solid value. Vey.... I mean who knew what was going on in his private life, good god. I think LA did know though before they moved him to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Wanless said: A second round pick, 53 to be exact, that turned into Rasmus andersson. He has 19 points in 90 games. Baertschi took 51 games to get to 21 points and is now putting up just over 0.5 points a game. It was a good trade And do some research before calling someone out, you might not look as bad as you're trying to make them look Says the guy that just compared a dman to a winger. You don't look bad, just clueless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 40 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Remember when everyone was saying that we should sign Ferland, July 1, for 5 million cap hit? Ahhhhh, memories...... And on July 10 Ferland signs for 3.5 million AAV it's a Canuck fan's rejoice. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Uhh? Baertschi has been great for the Canucks, and much better than a 2nd round pick. Great? Lol man some of you haha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Says the guy that just compared a dman to a winger. You don't look bad, just clueless. Looking at needs at the time of trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, The Great Canucks said: It doesn't matter if he has an NMC because he is still eligible to be exposed in the Seattle expansion. I agree. I wasnt saying anything bad about the contract. Its a good deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: its been gone over ad nauseam but I don't know that the Baer deal can be called 'poor'. His stats are solidly in top 6-7 range. Yes he's got his bell rung but so did a lot of guys. His production for the cost of a 2nd was solid value. Vey.... I mean who knew what was going on in his private life, good god. I think LA did know though before they moved him to us. Picks for other teams projects is never a solid decision imo. It's not like I'm totally angry I just wanted to point that out b4 I praised JB so I didn't get called a "jb nut hugger." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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