[GDT/PGT] Canucks @ Kings - Sep 21st 2019 - 6PM from Salt Lake City Utah

[Rush17]

Just now, singing chef said:

Where is Jake's head right now ?  Doesn't he realize that, based on the last couple of games he played, other prospects are passing him by.  Jake does not have his spot on the team guaranteed.  He seems to be disinterested.  He could be a very valuable player IF he put his mind to it but............he doesn't seem to be trying.

 

Perhaps we try to flip him to Tampa Bay in return for our 1st. round pick coming back.............  (if he is worth that at this point in his career).

 

C'mon Jake - show some hustle.

Trade Jake and Tanev for Risto +?

 

Like who on this team is untouchable outside of Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser and Hughes? Rest should all be up for grabs. 

 

Count out UFA / trade adds: Myers, Miller, Ferland, Benn.

 

[Rush17]

Goldie has been freed but he's screwing up this opportunity. It's frustrating. Same with Jake.

[Kanukfanatic]

5 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

Trade Jake and Tanev for Risto +?

 

Like who on this team is untouchable outside of Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser and Hughes? Rest should all be up for grabs. 

 

Count out UFA / trade adds: Myers, Miller, Ferland, Benn.

 

I would do that in a heartbeat....although I doubt Buffalo does. That would instantly upgrade our top 6 D and our forward group would still have depth. Buffalo has said they need more scoring and Jake gives a little of that but not much. Might need to do Virtanen and Baer for Risto (add picks on our side probably). I would prefer to keep Baer but if we could get Risto in that type of deal I think we should do it.

[JamesB]

 

3 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

"What I like about Adam is he's trying to make the team... I hope, other guys should take notice"

- Travis

 

That last line says something. 

 

 

2 hours ago, buddyguy said:

Nope. It was clearly a shot at JV, goldy and schaller. Leivo and LE have been  noticeable in this game.

 

2 hours ago, Grape said:

Eriksson has been a big positive in preseason. I don't think he needs a shot taken at him.

The quote from Travis is a pretty hard-hitting quote. And I agree with buddyguy that it is likely targeted at JV, Goldy, and Schaller and a couple of other guys.

 

In my view the Canucks were the better team tonight. They outshot LA by a significant margin and had the run of the play for long stretches. What hurt the Canucks was a lot of penalties, a poor PK, and mediocre goaltending.

 

As for the goalies, I am not saying that either guy gave up "bad" goals, but both guys had a couple of goals that appeared to go more or less right through them. I am not sure if they were having trouble picking up the puck, or if it was an issue of screens, or positioning, or just bad luck, but both guys gave up a lot on a fairly small number of shots. And it is not like LA had a lot of grade A chances. I think it is time to send both McIntyre and Backman to Utica (after clearing waivers).

 

On the PK, the Canucks struggled, giving up 3 PK goals. The guy they miss on the PK is Eriksson, who did not play tonight. Beagle also did not play tonight. Eriksson's PK work is under-rated.. In the numbers he has been the best PK forward on the team over the past two years -- better than Sutter, better than Motte, better than Horvat, and even better than Beagle (and much better than other guys). He does not take face-offs, but he is very effective. The best two-person forward combo the Canucks have had in that period is Eriksson and Beagle in the second half of last year. (I am talking about numbers, not just my opinion from watching games, although the numbers coincide with my opinion.) As I have written before, I think Loui makes the team out of camp. The Eriksson/Beagle combo is the key to a good PK in my view (along with better goaltending). 

 

I am afraid it is time to send Boucher and MacEwen to Utica. Boucher does not have a complete game and Big Mac is not good enough either defensively or offensively at the NHL level, although he is very good at AHL level. Hope he continues to make progress.

 

On D, Chatfield and Sautner should both be sent to Utica soon in my view.

 

EP and Boeser did not do a lot tonight, but EP should have had an assist on the Leivo's goal. He moved the puck to Edler, who passed the puck to Leivo. For Boeser, we could not expect a lot tonight, His next game will be more meaningful.

 

JV and Goldy continue to disappoint. They just did not have much of an impact on the game, although JV did pick up a second assist on the the last goal. But that play was all Hughes and Gaudette.

 

And that brings me to the positives. Hughes looks very good. With the stitches in his lip and his sore back from the cross-check he took in the last game I thought he might rest tonight. But he was very good. He made a great play on the final goal but skated well and moved the puck well all game. I think he is living up to expectations, and that is saying a lot.

 

And Gaudette continues to impress with two more goals. Yes, he struggled a bit defensively. He was behind the play on a couple of the LA goals, and did not look good on the PK. But he is making things happen and is in the play every time he is on the ice. To me, his mistakes look like the kind of thing that can be corrected and I love his attitude and his effort. And I like his skills. I would keep him on the team.

 

That leaves some tough line-up decisions. I don't see a spot for Goldy or Schaller right now. Roussel will start on IR. The Canucks could keep 14 forwards and only 7 Ds. Or they could make a trade to open up a spot. But probably there will be a tough decision involving Gaudette and Motte.

Edited September 22, 2019 by JamesB

[RetroCanuck]

Im still a believer that if Goldy is given the opportunity beside Pettersson he will excel. He needs those likeminded skilled players to truly bring out his game. If he cant take that opportunity then waive him.

 

Goldy-Pettersson-Boeser

Ferland-Horvat-Miller

Baertschi-Gaudette-Pearson

Virtanen-Beagle-Sutter

Motte, Leivo

 

 

[Junkyard Dog]

14 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

Trade Jake and Tanev for Risto +?

 

Like who on this team is untouchable outside of Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser and Hughes? Rest should all be up for grabs. 

 

Count out UFA / trade adds: Myers, Miller, Ferland, Benn.

 

We would have to add.

[BlueDragon23]

43 minutes ago, xereau said:

 

Love that Greener doesn’t beat around the bush. That should make any bubble players take notice. Gotta think it’s a shot meant for Goldy, Schaller, Eriksson or Jake. Maybe Leivo as well, but was better tonight. 

Greener proved last year that he is not afraid to cut veterans for young players (ALA Gagner) hope he stays true to his word again. 

[Smashian Kassian]

55 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Posters keep typing this. But it isn't true at all.  The Canucks have a glut of forwards and they don't want to lose some of them in waivers.

 

So it really is not a hard decision to send Gaudette down as they don't end up losing a player. Gaudette would be back up in a short time anyway due to the inevitable Canuck injuries.  

 

Well if your standing by the principal that things are earned, and you want to ice the best team, theres a discussion to be had. Gaudette has pushed the envelope. 

 

 

37 minutes ago, singing chef said:

Where is Jake's head right now ?  Doesn't he realize that, based on the last couple of games he played, other prospects are passing him by.  Jake does not have his spot on the team guaranteed.  He seems to be disinterested.  He could be a very valuable player IF he put his mind to it but............he doesn't seem to be trying.

 

Perhaps we try to flip him to Tampa Bay in return for our 1st. round pick coming back.............  (if he is worth that at this point in his career).

 

C'mon Jake - show some hustle.

 

He seems to be complacent. 

[stawns]

52 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

Goldie has been freed but he's screwing up this opportunity. It's frustrating. Same with Jake.

Jake isn't a bubble player

[buddyguy]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

Jake isn't a bubble player

He's playing like one. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Edited September 22, 2019 by buddyguy

[Rush17]

10 minutes ago, stawns said:

Jake isn't a bubble player

 

4 minutes ago, buddyguy said:

He's playing like one. And I don't mean that in a good way.

There comes a point when a young player has to step up. Jake has been given every opportunity to prove himself at the NHL level. 

 

He certainly won't get waived because he has trade value.  But he won't be in our plans moving forward if he doesn't shape up. He needs to become a useful player. He needs to be hitting if he's not producing.

 

[Rush17]

50 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said:

Im still a believer that if Goldy is given the opportunity beside Pettersson he will excel. He needs those likeminded skilled players to truly bring out his game. If he cant take that opportunity then waive him.

 

Goldy-Pettersson-Boeser

Ferland-Horvat-Miller

Baertschi-Gaudette-Pearson

Virtanen-Beagle-Sutter

Motte, Leivo

 

 

Goldie shouldn't need Pettersson to produce. Why would we give him a good paying NHL contract if he can only produce off the coattails of an elite world class player. 

 

He has to show he can produce with regular NHLers or he will only ever be a fringe NHLer.

[Captain Canuck #12]

2 hours ago, buddyguy said:

Nope. It was clearly a shot at JV, goldy and schaller. Leivo and LE have been  noticeable in this game.

It's not a shot at Schaller.  Green singled Schaller after the last Edmonton game saying that he and his linemates, Beagle and Motte (?), set an example and were the hardest working line.

[Rush17]

51 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

We would have to add.

I would. Not sure if having two hulking D is the best move. Winnipeg did it tho! Worked for them.

[Rush17]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

CONDENSED GAME | Canucks at Kings

 

We scored all of 10 goals last pre season. Good news is we scored half that amount tonight.  we have to be close to 20 already through 5 games.

[Rush17]

1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said:

We would have to add.

I would do

 

Virtanen

Tanev

Goldobin

 

Ristolainen

Prospect

 

We may need to waive Goldie at this rate. I'd rather get some value over no value. Good chance he would get claimed by somebody. 

[stawns]

12 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

 

There comes a point when a young player has to step up. Jake has been given every opportunity to prove himself at the NHL level. 

 

He certainly won't get waived because he has trade value.  But he won't be in our plans moving forward if he doesn't shape up. He needs to become a useful player. He needs to be hitting if he's not producing.

 

18 goal pace last year wasnt a step?  People need to chill on Virtanen, his progress has been steady

[Per Her Son]

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

18 goal pace last year wasnt a step?  People need to chill on Virtanen, his progress has been steady

But he didn't score enough in preseason yet so we should trade him for a 4th and go with Eriksson. 

 

It's pre season people, plus Virt has had a point per game. 

Edited September 22, 2019 by Per Her Son

[Kragar]

Unbelievable.  game is in SLC, and for some reason, despite it only being broadcast down here at midnight, in condensed format, that it was blacked out.  Not live, not televised on any other channel, but they black it out. 

[D-Money]

3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

POSTGAME | Travis Green

 

Best part of that was the end.

 

Patterson: Safe to assume it's Markstrom & Demko the rest of the way?

Green: (with zero hesitation) Yep.

 

Goaltending was ridiculously bad this game...but there was a lot of "meh" out there to go with it.