theo5789 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: Mixed post: Glad we traded for him, and I have no problem with the fact that we traded Schneider, but I still think that at the time, we should have gotten more back than just the pick that became Bo Horvat. We had a goalie that was already proven in the NHL who was showing signs of dominance and 29 teams that were interested in him. Horvat at the time was a promising prospect who hadn't shown that he could do anything outside of Junior. Really happy that we have Horvat, but we should have gotten more at the time. We took a disproportionate percentage of risk in the trade at the time. Really looking forward to the Bo Horvat led version of this team for the next few years, he deserves the C Looking at recent goalie deals that were similar and you can see we got a very good return. Talbot netted NYR a 2nd, 3rd and 7th (but NYR gave a 7th back, so just the two picks). Grubauer got a 2nd, but they Colorado had to take a cap dump in return as well. Both guys had good numbers as a backup behind strong teams and Schneider was in a similar situation. We got a 3rd and 7th for Eddie Lack. Getting a known top 10 pick for what at the time was a backup (we did have Luongo still and were hoping to reconcile) is quite a return. In hindsight, Schneider was probably the best goalie of all mentioned here (although the jury is still up on Grubauer), which makes sense why he would net the highest return. If we are looking at hindsight though then the acquisition of Horvat is now the captain of our team which makes the deal even more incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, DrJockitch said: The success or lack of success of Bo really doesn't matter in evaluating the return for Schneider. ' The return was a first round pick, and a fairly high one at that. This was also generally looked at as in insufficient return for a goalie as good and developed as Schneider was at the time. It was still overall a poor return but has worked out very well for us. No. It wasnt. Stop trying to make your opinion fact. 9th OA was the highest pick EVER traded for a goalie Edited October 11, 2019 by 5Fivehole0 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: No. It wasnt. Stop trying to make your opinion fact. 9th OA was the highest pick EVER traded for a goalie Well Dryden was traded for a 12th and 18th overall...big mistake by the Bruins. Oh and Roloson traded for a 17th overall and a 3rd to EDM - turned out a good thing for them too as they needed it for their run with Pronger. Typically big goalie deals involve a goalie back the other way (younger) and a player and pick depending on how good they are ... Edited October 11, 2019 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 i find these historical discussions somewhat fascinating so many strong opinions out there schneider was on a good contract at the time there were also strong credible rumors the oilers offered more for him but the nucks wanted to trade him out of the conference i felt at the time that a salary dump by the nucks should have been part of that trade since the oilers offer was apparently better and could have been leveraged for a bit more from nj i thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 hours ago, HKSR said: I'm sure there were many of us, but I have no problems publicly admitting I was so wrong when Schneider was traded and we drafted Horvat ahead of Nichushkin. I was pretty angry when that happened. So glad we drafted the right guy... and now he's our Captain! Sorry Bo. Carry on with what you're doing and take us to the promised land! Bring home a Stanley Cup for us!! Go Canucks Go !!! I feel by time our core is in their prime and dominating the league, that Bettman will be retired. As a direct result I think a Canadian team winning the cup again may be a realistic possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Well done HKSR. That day was a pivotal one with the plug being pulled on the 2011 team, but then the drain was clogged again with my wife's hair!! From that moment on, the rebuild/retool/renovation or remodeling kinda almost maybe started. It should have started then, but Ep40 and Hughes and co. will redeem this club. Lots of angst and from a lot of posters that never owned up to it later. So how about Nick!! So glad we took BO! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Squamfan said: But Nichuskin is going to be the next Malkin The estrogen levels pretty much blew the roof of the place over at HF when Nichuskin was outperforming Horvat at the start of their careers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, coastal.view said: i find these historical discussions somewhat fascinating so many strong opinions out there schneider was on a good contract at the time there were also strong credible rumors the oilers offered more for him but the nucks wanted to trade him out of the conference i felt at the time that a salary dump by the nucks should have been part of that trade since the oilers offer was apparently better and could have been leveraged for a bit more from nj i thought There was also the significant fact that Kesler nailed Schneiders wife, allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I never really had regrets over the pick. Bo was the best forward available. Loved his physicality. Esp over Nishkin Luongo painted us into a corner on this one. Overall it's finally working out well with the faltering Schneider. Remember those early cramps he had? Bo is long term and going to be a great Cap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, captainhorvat said: Credit to Mike Gillis. At the time extremely difficult trade to make considering all the "moving parts" involved. One goalie with no trade protection and one draft pick? Hardly consider that a lot of moving parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said: I never really had regrets over the pick. Bo was the best forward available. Loved his physicality. Esp over Nishkin Luongo painted us into a corner on this one. Overall it's finally working out well with the faltering Schneider. Remember those early cramps he had? Bo is long term and going to be a great Cap. Interestingly Horvat was still the 5th BPA by the time Vancouver had their turn. It had me worried but the commentators seemed to be very high on him so I wasn't that worried after. I am still wondering which team had Horvat at #4 at that draft year. Edited October 11, 2019 by iinatcc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 13 hours ago, Alflives said: I need to apologize too. I was really wanting Matt Tkapuke, and when we drafted OJ instead, I too got super angry and even (wasted) threw my scotch glass at the TV. I was so wrong, and now humbly apologize to my TV. Yeah, I remember that draft Alf. That's when they used to start at 9 am PST. Going when he did (was it #9 overall?), Bo would have been drafted by us at approximately 10 am. Considering that you were already 'wasted' by then, exactly what time did you start the scotch drinking that morning?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Can we get a standing ovation for Mike Gillis too? What a trade that was. It's just a shame he had to chose Torts for the job ; who ran Luongo out of town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Im sorry to coach AV.. who is allways forgotten.. back to back presidents trophies then fired.. Then wins the presidents trophy with the rangers next year.. Best coach weve ever had 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, TheNewGM said: Im sorry to coach AV.. who is allways forgotten.. back to back presidents trophies then fired.. Then wins the presidents trophy with the rangers next year.. Best coach weve ever had Ridiculous that he got fired over Gillis... That being said, Alain Vingeault got out coached in 2011, and also in 2013, when he was fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Ridiculous that he got fired over Gillis... That being said, Alain Vingeault got out coached in 2011, and also in 2013, when he was fired. .. out coached? we got beat up litterally.. not out coached.. Mason Raymond got his back broken on a non play and no penalty .. that series was a travesty of course it sucks Horton got his career ended by Rome also .. Edited October 11, 2019 by TheNewGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said: There was also the significant fact that Kesler nailed Schneiders wife, allegedly Who didn't Kesler nail while he was in Van. He screwed the whole City when he left the way he did. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Ridiculous that he got fired over Gillis... That being said, Alain Vingeault got out coached in 2011, and also in 2013, when he was fired. AV was a coach who rarely made adjustments on the fly. He had a system that worked most of the time with the player he had. He was the 'Sex Panther' of coaches, 60% of the time it works 100% of the time. The other 40% of the time it stinks. The SCF he got shown up yet again. The hawks showed us up 2-3 times. Love AV's pressers and his humor. He is a great coach, but his weakness became the teams weakness. Edited October 11, 2019 by Phat Fingers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I’ll also have to admit to having copious amounts of man porridge on my face these days. I was quite startled and disappointed by what I perceived to be a lack of return for Schneider. All of a sudden, our so-called “meager returns,” for both Schneider and Luongo (Horvat and Markstrom) aren’t really all that meager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said: No. It wasnt. Stop trying to make your opinion fact. 9th OA was the highest pick EVER traded for a goalie Not even stating this as my opinion much less as a fact. I am just restating what the consensus was at that time. The general consensus at the time was "is that it?" when the trade went down. Now, FYI my opinion is that it was not enough at the time but I am thrilled with the end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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