Popular Post HKSR Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 I'm sure there were many of us, but I have no problems publicly admitting I was so wrong when Schneider was traded and we drafted Horvat ahead of Nichushkin. I was pretty angry when that happened. So glad we drafted the right guy... and now he's our Captain! Sorry Bo. Carry on with what you're doing and take us to the promised land! Bring home a Stanley Cup for us!! Go Canucks Go !!! 2 2 12 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Squamfan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'm sure there were many of us, but I have no problems publicly admitting I was so wrong when Schneider was traded and we drafted Horvat ahead of Nichushkin. I was pretty angry when that happened. So glad we drafted the right guy... and now he's our Captain! Sorry Bo. Carry on with what you're doing and take us to the promised land! Bring home a Stanley Cup for us!! Go Canucks Go !!! But Nichuskin is going to be the next Malkin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 It's pretty hard to say that the Canucks didn't win that trade now. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'm sure there were many of us, but I have no problems publicly admitting I was so wrong when Schneider was traded and we drafted Horvat ahead of Nichushkin. I was pretty angry when that happened. So glad we drafted the right guy... and now he's our Captain! Sorry Bo. Carry on with what you're doing and take us to the promised land! Bring home a Stanley Cup for us!! Go Canucks Go !!! Mixed post: Glad we traded for him, and I have no problem with the fact that we traded Schneider, but I still think that at the time, we should have gotten more back than just the pick that became Bo Horvat. We had a goalie that was already proven in the NHL who was showing signs of dominance and 29 teams that were interested in him. Horvat at the time was a promising prospect who hadn't shown that he could do anything outside of Junior. Really happy that we have Horvat, but we should have gotten more at the time. We took a disproportionate percentage of risk in the trade at the time. Really looking forward to the Bo Horvat led version of this team for the next few years, he deserves the C 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrJockitch Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 The success or lack of success of Bo really doesn't matter in evaluating the return for Schneider. ' The return was a first round pick, and a fairly high one at that. This was also generally looked at as in insufficient return for a goalie as good and developed as Schneider was at the time. It was still overall a poor return but has worked out very well for us. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I often wonder what Gillis could've done to re-tool this team if he was allowed to trade Kesler. I feel bad for Gillis, yeah he was a bit arrogant but he got screwed over by both the league and ownership. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 I need to apologize too. I was really wanting Matt Tkapuke, and when we drafted OJ instead, I too got super angry and even (wasted) threw my scotch glass at the TV. I was so wrong, and now humbly apologize to my TV. 2 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: Mixed post: Glad we traded for him, and I have no problem with the fact that we traded Schneider, but I still think that at the time, we should have gotten more back than just the pick that became Bo Horvat. We had a goalie that was already proven in the NHL who was showing signs of dominance and 29 teams that were interested in him. Horvat at the time was a promising prospect who hadn't shown that he could do anything outside of Junior. Really happy that we have Horvat, but we should have gotten more at the time. We took a disproportionate percentage of risk in the trade at the time. Really looking forward to the Bo Horvat led version of this team for the next few years, he deserves the C We can 'should have' the return, but on the other hand, the return was exceptional *for a goaltender* - the reality is that the market for goaltenders was and has been traditionally deflated - and pretty much remains so (right or wrong in an actual vs market value sense, that is and has been the reality). There are not many goaltenders that have been dealt for a top 10 pick - let alone 'more'. The 'hadn't shown that he could do anything outside of junior' applies to literally every prospect that has never played outside of junior - but the 'safeness' of those players is entirely relative, and he was as 'safe'/sure a pick as they come (guys with that kind of two-way game at the junior level rarely 'bust' in the ways many others do). Lastly - that was a pretty solid draft - Ristolainen, Nurse, Monahan, Lindholm, Jones, Barkov, McKinnon going before him - so I think the perception of the value of a 9th overall might have been a bit deflated, but in context, not so much. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 It's all good, hindsight's 20/20. At the time it was an unexpected move and an overpayment. Thankfully Gillis knew what he was doing. A clear win for the Canucks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Credit to Mike Gillis. At the time extremely difficult trade to make considering all the "moving parts" involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: Mixed post: Glad we traded for him, and I have no problem with the fact that we traded Schneider, but I still think that at the time, we should have gotten more back than just the pick that became Bo Horvat. We had a goalie that was already proven in the NHL who was showing signs of dominance and 29 teams that were interested in him. Horvat at the time was a promising prospect who hadn't shown that he could do anything outside of Junior. Really happy that we have Horvat, but we should have gotten more at the time. We took a disproportionate percentage of risk in the trade at the time. Really looking forward to the Bo Horvat led version of this team for the next few years, he deserves the C if that was true the team would have got more than they did. it's called market value. the team got what they could. I think mike gillis and laurence gilman, with their decades of negotiation experience, have a bit more of a clue than you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 As the saying goes "BO KNOWS",and in this case it's how to be a CAPTAIN. This is why I continue to ask for patience with young players because you just never know when a honest hard-working player will turn into a star,or a CAPTAIN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 100 push ups is your punishment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I watched McJeebus games when he was in the CHL. He play against Bo's team a few times on nationally broadcast games. Bo was a man to be reckoned with, even back then. When the trade was made at the draft, and Bo was still available, I cheered heh. Its been a pleasure seeing him grow into the consensus captain of the team. Bo Canucks Bo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, tas said: if that was true the team would have got more than they did. it's called market value. the team got what they could. I think mike gillis and laurence gilman, with their decades of negotiation experience, have a bit more of a clue than you. I don't pretend to have any specific knowledge of assessing value, but at the time, based on initial projections being made for the draft, we had the known commodity, but we also got ourselves backed into a corner on needing to move a goalie. Again, I'm really happy with how this trade turned out, but felt at the time we should have gotten an extra pick, 3rd or 4th in the next years draft, or at least a B level prospect. Its only me expressing my opinion, but known commodity vs complete gamble, think at the time we should have been able to get a little more return. That's not to say that it didn't turn out fair, just that we took more risk at the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I don't pretend to have any specific knowledge of assessing value, but at the time, based on initial projections being made for the draft, we had the known commodity, but we also got ourselves backed into a corner on needing to move a goalie. Again, I'm really happy with how this trade turned out, but felt at the time we should have gotten an extra pick, 3rd or 4th in the next years draft, or at least a B level prospect. Its only me expressing my opinion, but known commodity vs complete gamble, think at the time we should have been able to get a little more return. That's not to say that it didn't turn out fair, just that we took more risk at the time. it's just that your assessment of value is completely arbitrary. market value is dictated exclusively by what someone is willing to pay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 When the trade happened? My comment was I was happy we managed to get something done. "Good under the circumstances, needed to be done'' or something along those lines. I had wanted to trade Lou, would have preferred to keep Scheids. But it was clear that wasn't working out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Was the face value return even bad? We got a top ten pick in the deepest draft in a decade. What I was upset and surprised about is we gave up the younger of our two goalies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HockeyHarry Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 That was the Day, interesting story, behind that....I remember it was a Friday, I got up in the morning and made myself a piece of toast. I set the toaster to three, medium brown. It was Just like the time I caught the ferry over to Vancouver Island . I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Nanaimo , which is what they called Campbell River in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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