wallstreetamigo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: this is a bit silly, you don't win with one d man. Exactly. Which is probably why they want to get rid of the massively overpaid 30 year old one. So they have the cap to build around Chychrun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I have a feeling that OEL is fed up, and that Arizona is going to be forced to make a move. What makes Vancouver's situation different relative to last year is that Nate Schmidt's salary cap is on the roster. Like most other teams, Vancouver would have an internal cap attributed to various parts of the roster. I don't think they want to have 4 D's getting paid $6M + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 23 hours ago, Alflives said: Kind of depends on a lot factors, like the sport for one. Not many gymnasts or swimmers competing a5 the highest levels over 30. People bodies start to breakdown more frequently and not recover that same around this area. But there are people that can maintain pass 30 but around 30 is normally the average 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: Loui is fed up too. If teams don’t want the OEL contract, which is really bad, then he can be fed up all he wants. The Coyotes would need to retain, and take back toxic contracts, add (maybe?) add to move OEL. 8.5 for six more years! Only Skinner’s contract is worse. I think Vancouver is still one of his primary destinations. What I'm saying is that OEL is fed up with the state of the Coyotes, and wants to play games that mean something. Arizona is going to have to retain a portion of his salary if they want to move him, or take back an ugly one like Eriksson's. I could see it happening. I do have to ask. What exactly is Loui Eriksson fed up with? Getting paid handsomely for doing sweet (expletive deleted) all? Edited June 21, 2021 by PhillipBlunt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Maddogy said: What makes Vancouver's situation different relative to last year is that Nate Schmidt's salary cap is on the roster. Like most other teams, Vancouver would have an internal cap attributed to various parts of the roster. I don't think they want to have 4 D's getting paid $6M + Definitely not. Totally agree there. One of Myers or Schmidt would be going the other way. I see Schmidt being the odd man out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 An OEL - Myers pairing would provide a league-average performance for a combined 14.5 million. It is so awful that Benning will find a way to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dats hockey said: People bodies start to breakdown more frequently and not recover that same around this area. But there are people that can maintain pass 30 but around 30 is normally the average What makes the D position a bit different is that a lot of it is experience. This is why D men tend to round out their games later in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Maddogy said: What makes the D position a bit different is that a lot of it is experience. This is why D men tend to round out their games later in their careers. You can only do what the body lets you. But yeah there nothing stopping anyone from becoming smarter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I have a feeling that OEL is fed up, and that Arizona is going to be forced to make a move. I imagine there’s a fair amount of pressure on both sides (team and player) to get something done. It’s never a good situation when a core player is being shopped openly, especially if it drags out too long. Luckily, for Arizona, they’re not exactly a hockey hotbed market. I can only imagine how this type of thing would play out in the media in Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal. But even though they get to avoid the fishbowl, it’s still a huge distraction for the team, will affect relationships, and while OEL is a professional, you just can’t expect a player to be 100% committed to a team that’s clearly trying to move him. There’s also the fact that next season is the first of three contract years where the actual salary is $10.5 million on that $8.25 AAV. So they might be motivated to get something done now, before they’re on the hook for the richest years of that contract. Plus, the Coyotes currently have a bottom tier farm/prospects pool, recently have lost picks (forfeitures, plus renouncing rights on that bully kid), and traded away some of their prospects/youth. They could really use a fresh infusion of picks/prospects right now, and an OEL trade should be able to return some decent future assets. But, yeah, I can’t imagine OEL wants to see another year play out of this kind of circus, so he’s probably pushing for something to get done. Then again, he’s been in Arizona for some time, so he’s probably used to being in the circus (just one that nobody watches). Spending 11 years in the desert probably makes a person very patient, assuming they don’t lose their mind first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: I imagine there’s a fair amount of pressure on both sides (team and player) to get something done. It’s never a good situation when a core player is being shopped openly, especially if it drags out too long. Luckily, for Arizona, they’re not exactly a hockey hotbed market. I can only imagine how this type of thing would play out in the media in Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal. But even though they get to avoid the fishbowl, it’s still a huge distraction for the team, will affect relationships, and while OEL is a professional, you just can’t expect a player to be 100% committed to a team that’s clearly trying to move him. There’s also the fact that next season is the first of three contract years where the actual salary is $10.5 million on that $8.25 AAV. So they might be motivated to get something done now, before they’re on the hook for the richest years of that contract. Plus, the Coyotes currently have a bottom tier farm/prospects pool, recently have lost picks (forfeitures, plus renouncing rights on that bully kid), and traded away some of their prospects/youth. They could really use a fresh infusion of picks/prospects right now, and an OEL trade should be able to return some decent future assets. But, yeah, I can’t imagine OEL wants to see another year play out of this kind of circus, so he’s probably pushing for something to get done. Then again, he’s been in Arizona for some time, so he’s probably used to being in the circus (just one that nobody watches). Spending 11 years in the desert probably makes a person very patient, assuming they don’t lose their mind first. OEL, and his contract, will cost the Coyotes picks and prospects just to get rid of. Currently he’s a very negative value in trade. Like others suggest here, the Coyotes will need to take back ?Schmidt, retain on OEL, and even then I doubt Benning does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: OEL, and his contract, will cost the Coyotes picks and prospects just to get rid of. Currently he’s a very negative value in trade. Like others suggest here, the Coyotes will need to take back ?Schmidt, retain on OEL, and even then I doubt Benning does that. Honestly just retain OEL 50% and take loui 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: OEL, and his contract, will cost the Coyotes picks and prospects just to get rid of. Currently he’s a very negative value in trade. Like others suggest here, the Coyotes will need to take back ?Schmidt, retain on OEL, and even then I doubt Benning does that. I think they’ll get assets if they retain salary, but I agree they have to add sweeteners and/or take back cap dumps, if they hope to move the full weight of that contract, especially in the current flat cap system. I also think that, if a trade happens, it probably won’t exactly be something I’d agree with (and it will favour AZ more than I’d like to see). Just based on the way the market works in the NHL, with various inefficiencies and biases/blind spots built in, it’ll probably be something not in line with the way I view player values, when it comes to someone like OEL. Maybe I’m cynical, but I just have great faith in NHL GMs finding ways to justify making bad/risky decisions, especially on the financial side of their player acquisitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dats hockey said: Honestly just retain OEL 50% and take loui 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Exactly, not sure why we would target a LD but if it’s a garage sale. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, Dats hockey said: Exactly, not sure why we would target a LD but if it’s a garage sale. Probably cause quinn rathbone and jouveli aint striking fear in other teams. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundernuts Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Me_ said: What kind of bad contract equates six years @ $8,500,000? None. Correct. That is why they would also need to retain salary. My main point is, that unless they are willing to let JB and the Canucks fleece them, than the Canucks need to take a pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Friendly reminder that we almost traded a first round pick for OEL last year. Same guy who did that is still running this team... carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: Friendly reminder that we almost traded a first round pick for OEL last year. Same guy who did that is still running this team... carry on. Source? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 The only players/contracts that make sense to move in a deal for OEL are Schmidt and Myers. Sending 1 year bad contracts like Eriksson, Roussel, etc. are clear losses for the Canucks as they are trading short term cap problems for a long term one. If Schmidt or Myers are included, our right side D is depleted while making one of Juolevi or Rathbone expendable. It leaves us one nhl level right side D and 4 left side nhl level d. Sign Hamonic, ok. But he is not a long term solution for Hughes which the Canucks would still need to find and be able to pay. And his agent was pretty transparent that he wants to get paid likely with term on his next deal. Fixing the left side D, or making a left side of Hughes, Juolevi, and Rathbone more impactful doesnt come from adding another left hand, left side dman. It comes from getting a top pairing level rhd to play with Hughes and sliding others down the depth chart. One of Schmidt or Myers probably needs to go but to be replaced by a better top pairing option on the right side. Whichever one is left plus a guy like Hamonic fit well with Juolevi and Rathbone. The focus should be core age players that can compete with this group, not more 30+ year olds. That just shortens or, if things go sideways, eliminates a contending window. With so many of the veteran players brought in not working out, its too much risk to keep throwing good money after bad on those types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: The only players/contracts that make sense to move in a deal for OEL are Schmidt and Myers. Sending 1 year bad contracts like Eriksson, Roussel, etc. are clear losses for the Canucks as they are trading short term cap problems for a long term one. moving out Schmidt for OEL as part of a bigger package does make sense. AZ can also expose Schmidt btw to Seattle if they want too. 3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: If Schmidt or Myers are included, our right side D is depleted while making one of Juolevi or Rathbone expendable. It leaves us one nhl level right side D and 4 left side nhl level d. nothing wrong with that, if we're making other moves to bring in a new 3C. 3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Sign Hamonic, ok. But he is not a long term solution for Hughes which the Canucks would still need to find and be able to pay. And his agent was pretty transparent that he wants to get paid likely with term on his next deal. Fixing the left side D, or making a left side of Hughes, Juolevi, and Rathbone more impactful doesnt come from adding another left hand, left side dman. It comes from getting a top pairing level rhd to play with Hughes and sliding others down the depth chart. One of Schmidt or Myers probably needs to go but to be replaced by a better top pairing option on the right side. Whichever one is left plus a guy like Hamonic fit well with Juolevi and Rathbone. The focus should be core age players that can compete with this group, not more 30+ year olds. That just shortens or, if things go sideways, eliminates a contending window. With so many of the veteran players brought in not working out, its too much risk to keep throwing good money after bad on those types. you need to tone down the "can't compete with 30 year olds" thing, have a look at the rosters left over in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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