Primal Optimist Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 12/22/2020 at 12:49 PM, kilgore said: As an artist myself, I think its overblown. Understanding art history is rife with appropriation. That is how art works in a lot of ways. You build off of what others have done before you. And make it your own. and if enough critics shout you down on the appropriation, should that not be enough? The fans that don't care, i get it, its a mask, who cares. THe fans who were offended by the fake west coast traditional art, i get those peopel too. WHo i don't get are the ones who seem quite militant against the folks who didn't think the mask was appropriate. What is your horse in this race? Nevermind, I think we can see through to the core of the situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Primal Optimist said: and if enough critics shout you down on the appropriation, should that not be enough? The fans that don't care, i get it, its a mask, who cares. THe fans who were offended by the fake west coast traditional art, i get those peopel too. WHo i don't get are the ones who seem quite militant against the folks who didn't think the mask was appropriate. What is your horse in this race? Nevermind, I think we can see through to the core of the situation. Those who are militant can see the hypocrisy and what the future looks like if people want to travel down that road. And guess what? It's gonna be more divisive, racist, hypocritical and will lead to more tension. If we start segregating everybody based on who has been oppressed more, it doesn't advance society, it regresses it. The whole point of eliminating racism is so we don't have to see it everywhere, but by constantly dividing people based on what they look like, it'll only end up with more racism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Primal Optimist said: I know you didn't mean to come off sounding like a racist, but your sentence structure and the topic at hand makes you sound totally like a racist. Coming from the guy who has Transformers for his image, which is culturally appropriated from the Japanese. Grossssssssss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Apparently the new mask is based on the common Indigenous legend that orcas transform into wolves to hunt on land, and back into orcas to hunt in the sea. Pretty cool. Edited January 17, 2021 by NaveJoseph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 12/19/2020 at 2:59 PM, DeNiro said: Watch him just wear a plain mask this season. Somehow someone will find a way to be offended by that though. Pale face. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elvis15 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I'm a much bigger fan of the new design. More vibrant, better design, and the connection with an indigenous artist. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Whatever. Hoped that I'd see an end to all this us/them crap before I died but that seems less likely daily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) On 1/15/2021 at 8:01 AM, Primal Optimist said: and if enough critics shout you down on the appropriation, should that not be enough? The fans that don't care, i get it, its a mask, who cares. THe fans who were offended by the fake west coast traditional art, i get those peopel too. WHo i don't get are the ones who seem quite militant against the folks who didn't think the mask was appropriate. What is your horse in this race? Nevermind, I think we can see through to the core of the situation. I was speaking strictly from an artists point of view. Art is many times appropriated from older art movements. Sometimes to expand on those old wise ways, pay tribute, or to criticize. Depending. Just to give a bit of defence to the Swedish artist. In that he was not meaning to simply copy it, he would probably say he was more inspired by it. That is how an artist mind works. Picasso rose to greater prominence in Europe from his work during his "African period" in which he painted his versions of African sculptures he was "inspired" by. It was not done to try and copy or reproduce their art. But we live in a different age. And I understand and honour and agree with the First Nations people who object. Because it isn't about the art, colours, or style, or image even. Its recognizing that there is a spiritual connection that first nations have with the natural world, and the animals in it. It is an ingrained part of their culture. So when an artist, half ways around the world, interjects himself between that spirit world and the surviving first nation communities that still honour that relationship, it is regarded by them as insulting and cheap. And personally, I think it also drains it of any spiritual power, ju ju, or good luck, or whatever you want to insert there, done by a foreign non-aboriginal artist. Not based on anything I can prove, but I think a mask like that made by a local first nations artist hands imbues it with more power. Even if its just subconscious. . . Edited January 16, 2021 by kilgore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImConfused Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-canucks-goalie-mask-1.5874250 Braden's NEW new mask! Culturally appropriate, and Stz'uminus approved! I gotta admit though, this mask looks WAY better than the original one, I'd give it a solid 9/10 (and I'm a goalie mask enthusiast) Edited January 16, 2021 by ImConfused 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Playoff Beered said: Historically, I am much much more of a LIONS fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-Hearted Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 hours ago, Primal Optimist said: Removed by mod Racists come in all races. Society will also be a lot better when all the WOKE crowd/SJWs go away as well. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Gotta say I think Bradens new mask is better than Dave Arts angry birds inspired mask. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 20 hours ago, gurn said: Whatever. Hoped that I'd see an end to all this us/them crap before I died but that seems less likely daily. Hear hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 hours ago, Primal Optimist said: Removed by mod That's actually the exact type of divisive rhetoric that needs to stop. The literally outlines an us/them mentality. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 They're both pretty fuxkin cool masks. I hope he uses both of them this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImConfused Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 hours ago, Primal Optimist said: Oh, is that so? So then there would only be non-white racists and they'd be able to get even? Gimme a forking break bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 If the post that was removed had simply said: Quote Generally when all the racists are passed on, generally speaking we will be a much better society. it would have been fine. But when you add describing words it's not. That's the very foundation of racism...to stereotype. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeygod77 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 GREAT MASK THE GUY THAT PAINTED IS KNOWn WORLDWIDE..CARVES FOR THE QUEEN AND LOCAL VAN ISLAND GUY..LOVES HOCKEY AND IS AWESOME ARTIST.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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