-DLC- Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, Wilbur said: We should be using our common sense. Nothing is written in stone but how we go from here could dictate if things get written in stone. @10pavelbure96I'd say that's between you and the mother. If everyone is following the guidelines I don't see why this would supersede custody orders. @I.Am.Ironman Slighty trickier situation. I'm assuming the specialist appointment is fairly essential I wouldn't change plans. But, like Deb posted above, if both households are small and everyone is hunkering down, it shouldn't be a problem. Risk of rapid spread will be low. Personally, my before and after school care shutdown in September due to Covid concerns mainly. Now, we have someone come in on the days it's needed. That's essential for us. But once again, if we're hunkering down and keeping things minimal for the next few weeks, risk for spread is very low. Common sense. If we all do this, the numbers will go down. I feel the key word in all of this is: SOCIAL (and, counter to that: essential). To go visit and hang with people (whether that be at home/out/whatever)? No. To do something essential to one's day to day family unit/health/etc.? Yes. Just be sensible about it. Don't do anything you don't absolutely "have" to over the next few weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Quebec hit 1400 new covid infections yesterday... record single day increase. Half a.....ed. restrictions such as BC is moving to will likely have zero impact on covid numbers here in BC. Covid is so contagious. Sadly, if BC is serious about reducing covid infections, our province will need much stronger restrictions. Are BC citizens willing to make this kind of a sacrifice. Melbourne just ended 100 day lockdown and 5 km travel limit... for their 5 million residents.. Can BC handle this kind of intervention ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Quote Melburnians measures included: a night-time curfew, a one-hour limit on outdoor exercise, and a ban on travelling more than 5km (3.1 miles) from their home. You have to consider that Melbourne is approximately 10,000 km² with a population of almost 5 million. That's a lot of people in a smaller area in comparison to BC's lower mainland which has 4X the space with nearly half the population. So we have more wiggle "room". Not that we shouldn't probably clamp down more...I'm in full agreement. Why dabble and risk ineffective measures when we can just cut to the chase and do what's necessary? No resistance from me there. But Melbourne was heading for a catastrophic scenario. We still have a chance if people would abide by the fairly lax restrictions in place. I'm sure this two week experiment will determine if things tighten up even more or we can carry on with fewer restrictions in place. It's all dependent on how people respond over the next short while. If the idiots persist, we'll likely have to copy a model of places that have found success (even if it's not proven to be "long term"). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: You have to consider that Melbourne is approximately 10,000 km² with a population of almost 5 million. That's a lot of people in a smaller area in comparison to BC's lower mainland which has 4X the space with nearly half the population. So we have more wiggle "room". Not that we shouldn't probably clamp down more...I'm in full agreement. Why dabble and risk ineffective measures when we can just cut to the chase and do what's necessary? No resistance from me there. But Melbourne was heading for a catastrophic scenario. We still have a chance if people would abide by the fairly lax restrictions in place. I'm sure this two week experiment will determine if things tighten up even more or we can carry on with fewer restrictions in place. It's all dependent on how people respond over the next short while. If the idiots persist, we'll likely have to copy a model of places who have found success (even if it's not proven to be "long term"). I'd hazard a guess that if these two weeks don't change much, Fraser Health and Vancouver Costal Health could see something closer to what we experienced in the Spring. Com'n Lower Mainland and Fraser Valleyers, just take it easy for two weeks and limit the spread. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: On the news they just stated that the restriction for two weeks is no one in your home beyond those who live in the household. I'd imagine there MAY be exceptions but ??? It definitely isn't clearly laid out...which is problematic. I get it though...they have to do SOMETHING and tried for the path of least resistance, that wasn't working. Sad thing is idiots who just want to party are the biggest problem...no self restraint, no patience. While the rest of us make sacrifices to keep this thing at bay, they keep shoving it down everyone's throats. So the bad apples ruin it for the rest of us. At this point, I think they're still striving for the least amount of disruption in order to contain this. But will it work or will it just be more of the same? None of us want a total lockdown but that's what we're heading for if the Granville group of yeeha'ers and other naysayer supermen/women don't get their acts together. It ends up messing with the rest of us who are being compliant and careful. This is exactly it... my mix of anger at the Granville punks and other selfish folks and the frustration at their lack of clarity. If BH had everything clarified and police did their jobs to put those selfish pricks away that night I doubt we'd be in this stricter parent mode. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 hours ago, 10pavelbure96 said: Ok I have a question. I'm not my sons custodial parent, he comes to my house 3 weekends a month court ordered. Is he still allowed at my house next week? Because his custodial home is not mine. Which order takes priority? The provincial health order or a provincial family court order? Cause I'm picking my son up regardless and I hope his mom isnt difficult about it... To perhaps put your mind at ease further, I found this on the CBC website discussing the new restrictions: Quote What is a household? It may seem obvious, but the Provincial Health Authority has offered up a definition for those who still have questions. A household is defined as a group of people who live in the same dwelling. If you have a rental suite in your home, the suite is a separate household. If you live in an apartment or house with roommates, you are all members of the same household. A household could also include "people who are part of your regular routine, for example, a co-parent who lives outside the household." Here's the link: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/what-you-need-to-know-bc-restrictions-covid-1.5794538 Kinda what we were saying before, but it's always good to see it in writing from authority rather than common sense from some people on CDC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Wilbur said: To perhaps put your mind at ease further, I found this on the CBC website discussing the new restrictions: Here's the link: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/what-you-need-to-know-bc-restrictions-covid-1.5794538 "Indoor group physical activities will be able to reopen once businesses have updated their COVID-19 safety plan and received approval from their local Medical Health Officer." => so would they be submitting and approving these safety plans during the upcoming two weeks? Or is that a hard "no"? Because I know some indoor facilities which have done a stellar job walling off, defining boundaries and maintaining distances. "These rules do not apply to school-based sports programs. Gyms that do not operate group fitness, and where physical distancing can be maintained at all times, are able to remain open. Pools also remain open." - so kids can cross-contaminate and infect each other en masse, then go home to get families sick, but smaller group, regulated adult classes cannot? what kind of idiotic logic is this, deeming in person schools "essential" even now? - many "individual" gyms don't even enforce masks or proper ventilation. Could trainers not become super-spreaders? - don't even get me started on pools... if they are wary of aerosols, what if a carrier went swimming and passed it in a pool?! #commonsense Edited November 8, 2020 by Phil_314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: I'm sure this two week experiment will determine if things tighten up even more or we can carry on with fewer restrictions in place. This, in part, is what I take exception to though deb - what gives them the right to be 'experimenting' with people's lives? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: "Indoor group physical activities will be able to reopen once businesses have updated their COVID-19 safety plan and received approval from their local Medical Health Officer." => so would they be submitting and approving these safety plans during the upcoming two weeks? Or is that a hard "no"? Because I know some indoor facilities which have done a stellar job walling off, defining boundaries and maintaining distances. "These rules do not apply to school-based sports programs. Gyms that do not operate group fitness, and where physical distancing can be maintained at all times, are able to remain open. Pools also remain open." - so kids can cross-contaminate and infect each other en masse, then go home to get families sick, but smaller group, regulated adult classes cannot? what kind of idiotic logic is this, deeming in person schools "essential" even now? - many "individual" gyms don't even enforce masks or proper ventilation. Could trainers not become super-spreaders? - don't even get me started on pools... if they are wary of aerosols, what if a carrier went swimming and passed it in a pool?! #commonsense If we saw lots of virus spread at pools, schools, at gyms where you're lifting weights, they'd be shut down too. But we're not. They are targeting the areas where we see spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, Fanuck said: This, in part, is what I take exception to though deb - what gives them the right to be 'experimenting' with people's lives? Well I think the problem is that they can't really know how people will respond until they....do (or don't). This is very uncharted territory for everyone so it's learning on the fly, unfortunately. I mean, most at this point SHOULD be taking the basic steps to avoid transmitting this thing...but many aren't. With the information we have, it's no secret the numbers are starting to exponentially rise and will explode. The facts and information should be enough to get people on board. They/we should be TAKING action based on what we see happening and the Gov't seems to do the minimal in increments to try to get people on board. They appear to not want to have to intervene and it's a last resort option...but it's time. I'm not arguing that they're doing it all perfectly. I feel like they're dabbling and it's fairly hit and miss. But I also understand why that is...they're giving us every opportunity to do what is necessary without it being a forced thing...more, voluntarily. Sadly, the self centred, disbelieving bad apples are ruining it for the bunch and it's seemingly going to take stronger actions and enforcements. At least a more "focused" message that clearly defines things (which wasn't the case yesterday....an official health "order" was later said not to be when questioned. ????). Their efforts are targeted because that's seemingly more efficient ... to go directly AT this thing where it's needed most. But it does leave it open for that to become a bit of a whack a mole game in an effort to chase it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wloutet Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: If government has made a mistake it's assuming everyone has common sense. There is nothing common about "Common sense". A grade 12 student that I tutor says that in their Math 12 class there are 30 students. It's not a large room. He said the desks are moved apart where some used to be shoved together. So they are 3 feet apart. No masks used in the classroom just in the halls. Luckily Vancouver Island still has low COVID numbers. However my business trip to Surrey and the Fraser Valley has had to be cancelled. Edited November 8, 2020 by wloutet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 minute ago, wloutet said: There is nothing common about "Common sense". A grade 12 student that I tutor says that in their Math 12 class there are 30 students. It's not a large room. He said the desks are moved apart where some used to b shoved together. So they are 3 feet apart. No masks used in the classroom just in the halls. Luckily Vancouver Island still has low COVID numbers. However my business trip to Surrey and the Fraser Valley has had to be cancelled. We do have low numbers, yet I just read this... Nanaimo’s Dover Bay Secondary School reports COVID-19 case https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/nanaimos-dover-bay-secondary-school-reports-covid-19-exposure/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, wloutet said: There is nothing common about "Common sense". A grade 12 student that I tutor says that in their Math 12 class there are 30 students. It's not a large room. He said the desks are moved apart where some used to be shoved together. So they are 3 feet apart. No masks used in the classroom just in the halls. Luckily Vancouver Island still has low COVID numbers. However my business trip to Surrey and the Fraser Valley has had to be cancelled. No way a BC highschool classroom can have 30 students 3 ft apart. Not possible. Your students needs tutoring as he/she doesn/t comprehend basic measurement and the concept of area..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Phil_314 said: "Indoor group physical activities will be able to reopen once businesses have updated their COVID-19 safety plan and received approval from their local Medical Health Officer." => so would they be submitting and approving these safety plans during the upcoming two weeks? Or is that a hard "no"? Because I know some indoor facilities which have done a stellar job walling off, defining boundaries and maintaining distances. "These rules do not apply to school-based sports programs. Gyms that do not operate group fitness, and where physical distancing can be maintained at all times, are able to remain open. Pools also remain open." - so kids can cross-contaminate and infect each other en masse, then go home to get families sick, but smaller group, regulated adult classes cannot? what kind of idiotic logic is this, deeming in person schools "essential" even now? - many "individual" gyms don't even enforce masks or proper ventilation. Could trainers not become super-spreaders? - don't even get me started on pools... if they are wary of aerosols, what if a carrier went swimming and passed it in a pool?! #commonsense Yes Phil i think a majority of BCers are starting to realize that Dr. B and Horgan continually send conflicting messages and in fact really have NO PLAN in BC to limit covid. It is what it is.... BC has the worst covid plan of any province in Canada. Buckle up, this winter is going to be quite the ride.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) So is your adult daughter / or son that lives 10 blocks away from you allowed to come into your home for a visit. You see her every week since the pandemic started... What’s defined as an immediate household? • An immediate household is defined as those you live with or in some cases, those who share a pandemic bubble with you. • They would be the people you spend the most time with, are physically close to, and who are a part of your regular routine. This could be an immediate family member, a close friend or contact (such as a co-parent) that you have regular close contact with. • Those in your immediate household or pandemic bubble should only be interacting with each other inside the same bubble. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-what-you-need-to-know-about-metro-vancouvers-two-week-lockdown Edited November 9, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wloutet Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: No way a BC highschool classroom can have 30 students 3 ft apart. Not possible. Probably sideways, but not forward and backward. It was me who said 3 feet, not my student. He would have used metric! Don't be so picky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, wloutet said: Probably sideways, but not forward and backward. It was me who said 3 feet, not my student. He would have used metric! Don't be so picky. If your students says 30 kids in a classroom can be a metre apart from each other..... I say your student should drop Math course and focus on Creative Writing. Your student seems to already excel at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Saw this on twitter.... Curious George@impishchimp · 9h Dr. Henry’s word choice for schools yesterday was interesting. She said “schools need to be protected” yet there are almost no protections and she hasn’t added any protections as outbreaks have worsened. By “protected” does she mean “abandoned”? #bced #bcpoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 The end of this week will be 2 weeks from halloween. We shall have to see how the numbers fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Drove by a rink tonight.... mens rec league hockey is alive and well...... We don't have a chance...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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