EP Phone Home Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mackcanuck said: I have only one issue to this. What will happen when players/coaches like Luc Bourdon, Rick Rypien and the late great Pat Quinn passed away. It was always the helmet that the organization would put the decals to remember those members of the club. Where do the decals go now that the ads have taken over on the helmets? It was a good spot to represent the great soldiers of this franchise that we lost. Would hate to lose this salute to the fallen Canucks due to corporate greed. As long as they keep those alone I’m ok with the ads on the helmet even though the red has no part of the team colour scheme Edited January 7, 2021 by EP Phone Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, apollo said: Sounds like some body has a crush on Eddie The Eagle - either that or he kicked your dog Call me Mike Pence. Someone just had to say No Mas... But no, you are right. We don't want to be overly negative about our guys. I have been a big proponent of cutting off dead horse beatings once a point is made. Have chastised many for bagging Edler over the years. He's been great for us over the years. It was just one post, with the replays to illustrate. I am back on the Eagle train, promise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, EternalCanuckFan said: I don't think Rafferty is going to get regular playing time. The PTO and impending signing of Hamonic all but guarantees that, IMHO. My expectation is that the coaches see Juolevi as a better option than Rafferty since he's more steady in the defensive zone but can still contribute with the breakout. The question to me is how the Canucks will manage Rafferty's usage. Will they send Rafferty to Utica or keep him on the taxi squad? My guess is one of Chatfield or Rafferty will be demoted but in deciding to demote anyone, quarantine requirements will make it challenging for them to bring in anyone from Utica up quickly. There are going to be some interesting decisions. Based on what we're seeing so far, I could see the following: Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Pearson-Horvat-Hoglander Roussel-Sutter/Gaudette-Virtanen Motte-Beagle-MacEwen Hughes-Hamonic Edler-Schmidt Juolevi-Myers Holtby, Demko Depending on how management wants to manage the cap and player availability: Healthy Scratches: possible none or some mix of players from the Taxi Squad except for Eriksson to the max 23 player roster Taxi Squad (max. 6): Eriksson, Baertschi (over Bailey and Lind), Benn, Rafferty or Chatfield, Hawryluk (over Graovac), possibly Gaudette/Sutter, possibly Rathbone depending on whether the team will keep any healthy scratches that are not on the taxi squad LTIR: Ferland Management could shock by demoting Eriksson but I have a very hard time seeing that happening. The cap benefit of either having him on the taxi squad or in Utica is the same as far as I understand it. There was talk of Lockwood being a potential surprise to make the team but I have a hard time seeing him make it based on his development and cap constraints. It's probably better for a guy like Lockwood to play in Utica instead of just practicing and watching games. He seems unlikely to get into the line-up outside of some major problems. Michaelis has looked decent but I also think he would probably be seen as being better served by playing in Utica this year. You can't go into a season like this with only 8 defenders in the main + taxi squads. I fully expect 7 d on the main roster + 2 more on the taxi squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, ruilin96 said: Once we get rid-off the deadweights in Beagle, Roussel, Sutter, Eriksson, Baertchi and the Luongo cap recapture penalty, the sky is the limit for this core. I think you are not understanding role players very well Now I will be the first to admit, that 3rd line players have to be able to supply offense But 4th line players on good clubs, provide defensive protection When you clump all these guys into the same group, it shows limited understanding of those roles Rousell was a scratch player.......that is not bad for a 3rd line player....he is never sheltered Beagle plays against the best players in the league, and has a huge amount of his starts in the defensive zone Fiurther more with Beagle he was a minus 9, against high end compition.......so one out of every 9 games, someone scores against him IMO, that is doing his job Sutter was plus 1 last year, and basically jumped around the line up, filling in....again like Beagle he got some of the tougher match ups and was basically even. Now if you are expecting a 50 point player.....that is not him, but he is doing his job, and does not deserve to be grouped into your grouping That is 3 guys, that you have wrong, but as the team improves, these guys will be phased out, which is natural, but you have to understand role players are important Eriksson and Baertschi.............sure, everyone can see what you are talking about and most will agree with you............. Hey, the Canucks are getting stronger and there will be more and more push from the young guys...........I love that part! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said: How about someone who played it? Politics plays a part in all aspects of life but the argument he/she/it was making was that the Canucks management would allow one rookie player who is worse at playing hockey than another rookie player make the team to save face. Your example of a rookie versus a veteran with a contract is a moot point too - not same argument he/she/it was making. Still waiting if you want to play. Will understand if you don't as it is a flawed argument. Pavel Bure, Brashear,Bertuzzi,Messier,Pat Quinn,Hoffman,Kesler,Roy,Luongo,Lindros,Burrows Brian Burke and his truculence, Brent Gretzky was a 6th overall pick, Vasily Podkolzin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, nux_win said: I don't know about that. Seems like a false dichotomy to me. I'd rather play hockey and not have so much commercialization. It's possible if we the paying customers stand up for ourselves and don't just keep on being passive frogs (i.e. boiling frog analogy). Pandemic or no pandemic they are ALWAYS ramping up the advertising and personally I'm sick of it (pardon the pun). And they are going to keep on pushing the envelope until enough people object and it has nothing to do with current economic conditions. The problem with maximizing profit is that it is NEVER ENOUGH, even in good times. The greedy and cynical people who run the show want us to think that there are no other options than continually increasing advertising but there are other options. There are always other options. Personally I would MUCH rather have no helmet ads. Seems like a small thing but with the way they always do closeups of the players faces it means that those little helmet ads are going to get a lot of screen time. I'm not OK with that. Go Canucks Go! Dear commercialism, please do not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionofJudah Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, EP Phone Home said: I have only one issue to this. What will happen when players/coaches like Luc Bourdon, Rick Rypien and the late great Pat Quinn passed away. It was always the helmet that the organization would put the decals to remember those members of the club. Where do the decals go now that the ads have taken over on the helmets? It was a good spot to represent the great soldiers of this franchise that we lost. Would hate to lose this salute to the fallen Canucks due to corporate greed. As long as they keep those alone I’m ok with the ads on the helmet even though the red has no part of the team colour scheme Not a huge fan of the ads cause they take away the logos spot on the helmet(but it is subtle enough I probably won't even notice too much) But I can't see how it would get in the way of the "fallen soldiers" stickers cause those have been on the back of the helmet. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bizarre Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, EP Phone Home said: I have only one issue to this. What will happen when players/coaches like Luc Bourdon, Rick Rypien and the late great Pat Quinn passed away. It was always the helmet that the organization would put the decals to remember those members of the club. Where do the decals go now that the ads have taken over on the helmets? It was a good spot to represent the great soldiers of this franchise that we lost. Would hate to lose this salute to the fallen Canucks due to corporate greed. As long as they keep those alone I’m ok with the ads on the helmet even though the red has no part of the team colour scheme It would go in the exact same spot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, Davathor said: We're talking about rookies taking spots specifically now? Didn't know that. Cooool. It is indeed cooool. The example that started the conversation was about one rookie D being chosen over another rookie D as one would make the GM look better. I called that out and this iteration started with some, you included, taking it in other directions so that is very cooooool. Cool. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted January 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: Pavel Bure, Brashear,Bertuzzi,Messier,Pat Quinn,Hoffman,Kesler,Roy,Luongo,Lindros,Burrows Brian Burke and his truculence, Brent Gretzky was a 6th overall pick, Vasily Podkolzin How on earth is the dump of names remotely related to your premise that given two rookie Dmen, one will get the gig based upon making the GM look good or bad? I called that out and asked for examples which you said were "countless" and you give a name salad. What rookie Dman in the league got a gig over a better player to make a GM look good? Rookie forward if you like too. A team is selected by the coach with management input but with rookies, there isn't much between them besides performance...if that wasn't the case, why do you see so many lower round picks and even college FAs gets spots over higher round players every year on pretty much every team...including your Canucks. Love how this is taking on a new life with some other posters. This is the CDC I missed. False narratives and a death grip on them. Love it! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, RWMc1 said: I'm well aware of the rules. Ferland is on IR right now; that is why I didn't include him on active roster players. I have Loui and Baertschi waived. Do they not make over $1,075,000.00? Hoglander is not on the active roster right now. If we start Hoglander on the roster, then we have to waive another player, probably Benn. I'm starting to see Agent's point. Instead of acting like a know it all, try engaging people in honest discussion. he's not on injury reserve though. he played in the playoffs and there was no reason to put him on it. you sound like another person that doesn't care about the truth and only cares about your reputation. I could care less about being wrong, but i don't like when i see something wrong. i will gladly point out anyone's mistake, not to be superior it just bugs me. i want you to be right too, it seems so weird to me that this hurts your feelings. as for someone unnamed, using big words, slighting people and trying to enduce mob bullying says a lot about someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted January 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: It is indeed cooool. The example that started the conversation was about one rookie D being chosen over another rookie D as one would make the GM look better. I called that out and this iteration started with some, you included, taking it in other directions so that is very cooooool. Cool. what's cool to me is the internal competition. I don't think Rathbone will supplant Juolevi this camp for a few reasons, but holy crap that kid is a good skater now. Once Edler retires, the left side d will consist of Hughes, Juolevi and Rathbone. We might have the most mobile group in the league in 1 more season. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Don't you think it is exciting having Hoglander, Juolevi, Rathbone, McEwen, and Lockwood to a lesser extent.......pushing and looking so good! Damn, just think back and remember the years we had no prospects that were pushing............. I mean, even see Demko, being protected by Benning, just shows the potential here.............god! And hockey only a week away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: he's not on injury reserve though. he played in the playoffs and there was no reason to put him on it. you sound like another person that doesn't care about the truth and only cares about your reputation. I could care less about being wrong, but i don't like when i see something wrong. i will gladly point out anyone's mistake, not to be superior it just bugs me. i want you to be right too, it seems so weird to me that this hurts your feelings. as for someone unnamed, using big words, slighting people and trying to enduce mob bullying says a lot about someone. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/canucks Opinions should be based on facts. If you're always on the defensive, you may mistake honest advice as a personal attack. Edited January 7, 2021 by RWMc1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 15 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Yikes, I totally forgot about those days. The days before Boeser joined the team. Yes, we've come a long way... How abut the "Team toughness" of this group? Truly the dark days of this franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted January 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: what's cool to me is the internal competition. I don't think Rathbone will supplant Juolevi this camp for a few reasons, but holy crap that kid is a good skater now. Once Edler retires, the left side d will consist of Hughes, Juolevi and Rathbone. We might have the most mobile group in the league in 1 more season. Could not agree more that there seems to be a plan...but also still feel Canuck fans who have either forgotten about OJ or had written him off will be quite pleasantly surprised how much impact he will have in a positive way in the mobility on the back end and complement the star power of Hughes and NS. Rathbone can flat out fly and the next group of D prospects in the pipeline have none with lead feet either. For anyone who hasn't watched OJ recently, his play last year in Utica was sometimes dominate but almost always steady as steady can be. He drove the play, played with determination and used his big frame well. He looked ready. My guess is once the season starts and people see minutes from him (I am assuming he is making the team), the tantalizing attributes that made him one of the most sought after Dmen in that draft will become more apparent. 3 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bizarre said: It would go in the exact same spot... After some thought I realize how much of an old man shouting at clouds I came across as. I take back my comment and have no issues to the ad on the top of the helmet when the decals won’t be effected. God I can’t wait until hockey comes back so the little things don’t set me off... there’s always Louie for that. Edited January 7, 2021 by EP Phone Home 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: How on earth is the dump of names remotely related to your premise that given two rookie Dmen, one will get the gig based upon making the GM look good or bad? I called that out and asked for examples which you said were "countless" and you give a name salad. What rookie Dman in the league got a gig over a better player to make a GM look good? Rookie forward if you like too. A team is selected by the coach with management input but with rookies, there isn't much between them besides performance...if that wasn't the case, why do you see so many lower round picks and even college FAs gets spots over higher round players every year on pretty much every team...including your Canucks. Love how this is taking on a new life with some other posters. This is the CDC I missed. False narratives and a death grip on them. Love it! im not even the same guy,relax your blood pressure is probaly rising. the example you ask to come forward with is nearly impossible to come up with. conversations with GM'S and coaches is usually one way. but here is one if vasily podkolzin is played less minutes in the khl to induce him to sign a contract, this is the example your looking for right? or maybe how about the coaches son? there has been many a time where late round draft piks have been made to select people with connections to the nhl. Money, Greed, extortion, the NHL is not exempt. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: he's not on injury reserve though. he played in the playoffs and there was no reason to put him on it. you sound like another person that doesn't care about the truth and only cares about your reputation. I could care less about being wrong, but i don't like when i see something wrong. i will gladly point out anyone's mistake, not to be superior it just bugs me. i want you to be right too, it seems so weird to me that this hurts your feelings. as for someone unnamed, using big words, slighting people and trying to enduce mob bullying says a lot about someone. I am sorry buddy but Ferland will be put on LTIR so we make the room for Hamonic to join the team. And while Ferland did play in the playoffs you know he got a concussion after he fought against the Wild right? You know his concussion history right? With that all said he won’t be back this season and possibly won’t be back for good sadly. You can bet before the puck drops next week Ferland will be on LTIR. Bank it. edited: as @RWMc1 mentioned above he is already on LTIR. Edited January 7, 2021 by EP Phone Home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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