Elias Pettersson | Quinn Hughes - Contract Discussion Thread

[stawns]

9 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

If you could keep it under 8M per at 6 (Hughes) I'd definitely pursue it.

 

Its hard because emotionally you want to keep these guys as Canucks for as long as possible (and not risk them leaving), but also keep them at numbers that allow this core a chance to win the cup.

 

Its a delicate balancing act.

If they end up paying Hughes $8m per year, at this point in his career, then their window is as good as closed.

[BMorrison 7]

7 hours ago, Heretic said:

We traded Neely back in the 80's.  

 

 

Yeah because that was so smart lol

[wai_lai416]

18 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

And at that point you trade them to Buffalo or somewhere else undesirable.

so whats the difference if u sign them to a 4 5 or 6 year contract? u can still trade them at the end?

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

so whats the difference if u sign them to a 4 5 or 6 year contract? u can still trade them at the end?

You have a full offseason where you know it will be a problem and can move them unsigned, so the receiving team can negotiate a long-term deal.  Personally, 4 or 5 is simply unacceptable and only a complete moron like Dubas would bend over for an agent like that.

 

Barry is a worthless piece of fecal matter and I'm glad Benning is telling that subhuman oxygen thief to pound sand.  Honestly, if they're still signed after training camp both of them can sit until they replace that dirtbag with a new agent.  See how Barry likes being the agent who is responsible for his clients making $0 due to his lack of professionalism.

[Smashian Kassian]

13 minutes ago, stawns said:

If they end up paying Hughes $8m per year, at this point in his career, then their window is as good as closed.

 

Not if it's 8 years.

 

Hughes has PPG & Norris contending potential. Erik Karlsson signed 11.5 as a UFA, if you get peak/prime UFA years our of Hughes for 8M that's a value deal.

 

[BMorrison 7]

7 hours ago, Heretic said:

Still no signing eh?

 

 

Hmnnn - maybe we should trade them to the Sabres for Eichel and a 1st round draft pick!

Maybe petterson for Eichel straight up lol

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Not if it's 8 years.

 

Hughes has PPG & Norris contending potential. Erik Karlsson signed 11.5 as a UFA, if you get peak/prime UFA years our of Hughes for 8M that's a value deal.

 

Exactly.

 

Based on the deals D man are signing Hughes is gonna command around 9.5 mil or more in 3 years.

 

Edited September 29, 2021 by DeNiro

[wai_lai416]

6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

You have a full offseason where you know it will be a problem and can move them unsigned, so the receiving team can negotiate a long-term deal.  Personally, 4 or 5 is simply unacceptable and only a complete moron like Dubas would bend over for an agent like that.

 

Barry is a worthless piece of fecal matter and I'm glad Benning is telling that subhuman oxygen thief to pound sand.  Honestly, if they're still signed after training camp both of them can sit until they replace that dirtbag with a new agent.  See how Barry likes being the agent who is responsible for his clients making $0 due to his lack of professionalism.

lol makes no difference the team that will be interested at trading for them will speak with them before doing the trade to see if they'll even sign past 1 year. you don't really have the entire off season.. it's literally QO and then they select abitration and u can't trade them until the abitration is over

[King Heffy]

15 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol makes no difference the team that will be interested at trading for them will speak with them before doing the trade to see if they'll even sign past 1 year. you don't really have the entire off season.. it's literally QO and then they select abitration and u can't trade them until the abitration is over

So their options are 2 or 6+ then.

Edited September 29, 2021 by King Heffy

[Provost]

Lets keep in context…is Petterson a top 10 Centre in the league yet? 

 

6 centres in the league are getting paid $10 million or more.

3 more are $9 million or more.

7 more are between $8-9 million.

 

Petterson is more in the $8-9 million tier at best with names like Crosby, Draisaitl, Stamkos, Giroux, etc.  Those guys all had more resume with more than PPG seasons under their belts … or even 100+ point seasons to earn those salaries.  Accounting for inflation Petterson should slot in here on a max term deal.  Barzal money on a short term deal.

 

There are only 6 defencemen who make $9 million or more and those were consistent Norris trophy winners/finalists.

 

Another 7D in the league make between $8-9 million.  Hughes isn’t really in the conversation with this tier of guys either.  Heck, Hedman signed a max term deal for under $8 million not long ago when the cap wasn’t much lower than now.  He was already a Norris finalist at that point.

 

The reported 3 year at $7 million per offer for Petterson is more than fair and he should be at camp with that number.  Hughes should be under that.

 

 

 

[stawns]

13 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Not if it's 8 years.

 

Hughes has PPG & Norris contending potential. Erik Karlsson signed 11.5 as a UFA, if you get peak/prime UFA years our of Hughes for 8M that's a value deal.

 

And how did that contract work out for his teams and career?

[billabong]

hamonic opts out 
 

9m x 6 years for pettersson 

 

7m x 4 years for hughes 

 

 

[stawns]

18 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Not if it's 8 years.

 

Hughes has PPG & Norris contending potential. Erik Karlsson signed 11.5 as a UFA, if you get peak/prime UFA years our of Hughes for 8M that's a value deal.

 

At this point, I disagree and if they're paying him $8m then it's pretty much over before it started.  If he's at $8, then where's Petey?  How are they going to pay Bo, Bows, Demko etc etc etc?  You blow your cap on two players going into their second contract you're toast, just ask Dubas

 

[King Heffy]

6 minutes ago, billabong said:

hamonic opts out 
 

9m x 6 years for pettersson 

 

7m x 4 years for hughes 

 

 

If Hughes wants 4 years he can enjoy Buffalo.

[GB5]

11 minutes ago, Provost said:

Lets keep in context…is Petterson a top 10 Centre in the league yet? 

 

6 centres in the league are getting paid $10 million or more.

3 more are $9 million or more.

7 more are between $8-9 million.

 

Petterson is more in the $8-9 million tier at best with names like Crosby, Draisaitl, Stamkos, Giroux, etc.  Those guys all had more resume with more than PPG seasons under their belts … or even 100+ point seasons to earn those salaries.  Accounting for inflation Petterson should slot in here on a max term deal.  Barzal money on a short term deal.

 

There are only 6 defencemen who make $9 million or more and those were consistent Norris trophy winners/finalists.

 

Another 7D in the league make between $8-9 million.  Hughes isn’t really in the conversation with this tier of guys either.  Heck, Hedman signed a max term deal for under $8 million not long ago when the cap wasn’t much lower than now.  He was already a Norris finalist at that point.

 

The reported 3 year at $7 million per offer for Petterson is more than fair and he should be at camp with that number.  Hughes should be under that.

 

 

 

That is a very fair way of categorizing the situation and probably how the Canucks are looking at things as well. 

 

If Hughes wants the numbers to line up then the Canucks also want Hughes' numbers to line up and to date they have not. I would prefer to bridge Hughes.

 

Petey with a Calder under his belt and playing first line centre despite the injuries has shown a lot more imo. I think the nature of the injuries are more in the fluke variety a not really attributable to style of play so I think they are not the norm for him. Petey leaves me with few questions at this point of his career as I think he is the real deal for the 8-9 long term range you mention. 

[GB5]

32 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Not if it's 8 years.

 

Hughes has PPG & Norris contending potential. Erik Karlsson signed 11.5 as a UFA, if you get peak/prime UFA years our of Hughes for 8M that's a value deal.

 

So far he has not shown a whole lot better than Tyson Barrie who is a pp specialist that gets exposed on a regular 5 on 5 shift.

 

Jack Hughes would likely agree with you though. 

Edited September 29, 2021 by GarthButcher5

[Smashian Kassian]

4 minutes ago, stawns said:

And how did that contract work out for his teams and career?

 

Karlsson is 31, the current 11.5M contract was signed when he was 29. Quinn Hughes is 21.

 

Ottawa signed a 7 year deal with Karlsson (as an RFA, his 2nd contract) at 6.5M & got PPG/Norris winning years on a value contract. (His best years)

 

That would be the goal with Hughes on an 8 year deal. 

 

Just now, stawns said:

At this point, I disagree and if they're paying him $8m then it's pretty much over before it started.  If he's at $8, then where's Petey?  How are they going to pay Bo, Bows, Demko etc etc etc?  You blow your cap on two players going into their second contract you're toast, just ask Dubas

 

 

There's definitely a risk, but it's partially the new age. As I said above Ottawa did it with Karlsson and hit the jackpot.

 

As far as the rest it depends. Petey for 8 years is probably around 10+, but you could bridge him & it's different terms. On a bridge his contract affects the team salary structure differently than long term. 

 

Demko just signed long term, goalies are also different.

 

Brock we'll see, 7.5 qualifying offer. Considering he was bridged & has that leverage he's probably around 7.

 

Horvat was walked to UFA years. Could see him anywhere from 6-8. Depends on the league cap situation. Nuge signed 5x8 & Couturier signed 7.75x8. Thats likely his ballpark. 

 

[Smashian Kassian]

3 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said:

So far he has not shown a whole lot better than Tyson Barrie who is a pp specialist that gets exposed on a regular 5 on 5 shift.

 

Jack Hughes would likely agree with you though. 

 

I disagree how Hughes played at the peak of his rookie year is probably as good if not better than Barrie has ever played.

 

I don't see Hughes as a PP specialist. He's capable of driving play for a team.

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

I disagree how Hughes played at the peak of his rookie year is probably as good if not better than Barrie has ever played.

 

I don't see Hughes as a PP specialist. He's capable of driving play for a team.

Definitely agree.  Even last season was better than Barrie has ever done.  Tyson Barrie is not, never has been, and never will be capable of playing like an NHLer in his own zone.

[GB5]

3 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

I disagree how Hughes played at the peak of his rookie year is probably as good if not better than Barrie has ever played.

 

I don't see Hughes as a PP specialist. He's capable of driving play for a team.

He looked a lot better as a rookie but for the most part the coaching staff were sheltering him alot more as well and pairing him on favorable matchups. In the bubble they didn't have that luxery or depth on defense so we saw what his flaws are in exposed play.

Edited September 29, 2021 by GarthButcher5