lmm Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, EddieVedder said: The team made the playoffs the year after torts was canned. Same team that made the finals 2 years prior. It was a contending team that torts wrecked. you are joking, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCan2023 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Yeah, I'm with you on Shaw. I'm just pointing out people can't have things both ways if no one better is available. Be careful what you wish for. At least we can go from it's a pretty new team with new faces, it takes time to gel, to it's a new coach blaa, blaa, blaa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Yeah, not what I'm saying at all. You know that. And I also know if you loved this arguement, you wouldn't have replied. Come on ... lol I agree on Shaw but at least make a better case of how this team would improve under Shaw's systems rather than just saying Shaw is better... that's easy. It’s hard to be worse than they are under Green’s systems. That’s pretty obvious at this point. Its more about a new voice right now and a new culture being developed. Maybe Shaw ends up only being an interim coach, who knows. The first order of business is to fire Benning and Weisbrod. Hire a PoHO who can serve as interim GM while he finds the long term replacement. Make Shaw interim coach and hire new assistants. Then realistically evaluate what you have roster wise and coaching wise and make long term decisions on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Well if you believe that Aquilini was the one who told Gillis to hire Torts I would imagine they’ll be very hands on now too. The next coaching hire will likely be Aquilini’s. Benning, like Gillis, will likely have little to no say if he’s even retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Yeah, I'm with you on Shaw. I'm just pointing out people can't have things both ways if no one better is available. Be careful what you wish for. There are several better coaches available. Boudreau, Julien, hell even Torts is much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said: It’s hard to be worse than they are under Green’s systems. That’s pretty obvious at this point. Its more about a new voice right now and a new culture being developed. Maybe Shaw ends up only being an interim coach, who knows. The first order of business is to fire Benning and Weisbrod. Hire a PoHO who can serve as interim GM while he finds the long term replacement. Make Shaw interim coach and hire new assistants. Then realistically evaluate what you have roster wise and coaching wise and make long term decisions on them. Good comment. I appreciate that. I don't disagree with your logic. Right now I'm at holding the players accountable ... they're making the millions ... maybe I'm wrong... I just think firing the coach is the easy route but... yeah ... something's gotta change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: There are several better coaches available. Boudreau, Julien, hell even Torts is much better. I'll take Torts ... Even Boudreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just now, Dr. Crossbar said: Good comment. I appreciate that. I don't disagree with your logic. Right now I'm at holding the players accountable ... they're making the millions ... maybe I'm wrong... I just think firing the coach is the easy route but... yeah ... something's gotta change. I think the players have to be held accountable too. It’s not ALL on coaching. Here is the thing for me though. The roster has been radically turned over. The only constant is the management and coaching. The same issues are popping up every season. Replacing the coach and GM at this point is by far the lowest risk, highest reward type move Aquilini can make. Because trading a player or two with enough impact to change what is consistently wrong will mean trading core players. May as well try a new coach before giving up on this group IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberts Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 do you think torts would spark this team? i think he would. either spark the team to play better, or spark them into flames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thraxious Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Good comment. I appreciate that. I don't disagree with your logic. Right now I'm at holding the players accountable ... they're making the millions ... maybe I'm wrong... I just think firing the coach is the easy route but... yeah ... something's gotta change. I think I'm with you. I may not agree with some of the systems I see in place, but execution is absolutely horrible and even if those systems may not fit the players themselves, they should be able to execute somewhat. That's on the players and I believe there is something wrong with the culture in the room itself. I have my guesses but of course it is all speculative. What is apparent is that "professional" players are not playing up to levels well below expectations. I'm at the point that I'm not even sure a coaching change will fix the above. If that's the case then bring in a new GM and let them determine if its the coach or players or what then start making changes from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Well if you believe that Aquilini was the one who told Gillis to hire Torts I would imagine they’ll be very hands on now too. The next coaching hire will likely be Aquilini’s. Benning, like Gillis, will likely have little to no say if he’s even retained. If all the major decisions are made by Aquillini's, how can he fire Benning? FA: "Hi Jim, I'm going to fire you." JB: "But I just did what you told me to do!" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Worst 3 games we've played in decades I reckon, and now we're rolling out one of the worst Canucks teams to memory. Worst of all is that we're underperforming with a team full of about 5 or 6 stars who could be All stars even. Big changes are needed, yes, but I don't think this season is able to be saved after this road trip now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 45 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: I personally want to see this guy coach the Canucks. I really hope not, I really don't want to see us run with a third rookie head coach in a row. This team needs to compete, I think most people would prefer someone more proven. That being said, you're more than welcome to your opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I think the players have to be held accountable too. It’s not ALL on coaching. Here is the thing for me though. The roster has been radically turned over. The only constant is the management and coaching. The same issues are popping up every season. Replacing the coach and GM at this point is by far the lowest risk, highest reward type move Aquilini can make. Because trading a player or two with enough impact to change what is consistently wrong will mean trading core players. May as well try a new coach before giving up on this group IMO. You know, beyond the emotion of all this ... I agree with you. Truly appreciate responding in such a grounded, reasonable way. I respect that big time. Fundamentally, we're on the same page. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: I personally want to see this guy coach the Canucks. Then some of us still clearly haven't learned our lesson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Thraxious said: I think I'm with you. I may not agree with some of the systems I see in place, but execution is absolutely horrible and even if those systems may not fit the players themselves, they should be able to execute somewhat. That's on the players and I believe there is something wrong with the culture in the room itself. I have my guesses but of course it is all speculative. What is apparent is that "professional" players are not playing up to levels well below expectations. I'm at the point that I'm not even sure a coaching change will fix the above. If that's the case then bring in a new GM and let them determine if its the coach or players or what then start making changes from there. 100% ... we've been down that coaching road before. That's an easy road to take. I'm more about... wait a second, let these guys lead their way out of this hole rather than blame coaches. If it is the coaches, that'll come home to roost. The players are making ridiculous money. They need to be MUCH better. Appreciate such a great response from you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Worst 3 games we've played in decades I reckon, and now we're rolling out one of the worst Canucks teams to memory. Worst of all is that we're underperforming with a team full of about 5 or 6 stars who could be All stars even. Big changes are needed, yes, but I don't think this season is able to be saved after this road trip now. We have played less than 1/4 of the season. That hardly constitutes a lost season that can't be saved. The 'fans" on this forum are cringeworthy. Are we in trouble? Absolutely. We still have 66 games to get it right. Edited November 15, 2021 by TheCammer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_impersonator13 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, AC30 said: Name of the best available GM and coach Johnny Rose and Roland Schitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, EmilyM said: He needs to hire a President. Let a competent Pres offer something we’ve never had under the Benning regime. Vision. Let the Pres choose a GM and coach to suit that vision and Aquillini needs to stay out of management decisions. Yeah, this will come down to Aquaman and how much autonomy he will give the teams' leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, Shirotashi said: I personally want to see this guy coach the Canucks. Absolutely not. No rookie experiments anymore please . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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