wai_lai416 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 56 minutes ago, EdgarM said: I don't think there was any mention of a "Great" defensive player only that he actually played defense such as checking and playing on the PK. The Sedins never came off the top line or killed any penalties. Could you see them playing on the third or fourth lines? that was the argument. actually there are a few here that's talking about he's so good defensively hence he got the 1 or 2 random selke participation vote lol. and the sedins were relatively productive near the end of their career they were still producing at 50-60 points good enough for a 2nd line role.. because their game tbh never relied on the speed so i'm not quite sure what the people here are talking about saying the sedins were useless once they became slow.. they were literally slow the entire career.. meanwhile Miller relies on his speed to be effective.. once father time catches up and he loses a step will he be effective in a 3rd or 4th line role as a checking/shutdown guy? my guess is no unless he changes his game and become more engage defensively rather than just being there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: actually there are a few here that's talking about he's so good defensively hence he got the 1 or 2 random selke participation vote lol. and the sedins were relatively productive near the end of their career they were still producing at 50-60 points good enough for a 2nd line role.. because their game tbh never relied on the speed so i'm not quite sure what the people here are talking about saying the sedins were useless once they became slow.. they were literally slow the entire career.. meanwhile Miller relies on his speed to be effective.. once father time catches up and he loses a step will he be effective in a 3rd or 4th line role as a checking/shutdown guy? my guess is no unless he changes his game and become more engage defensively rather than just being there. Despite the big blunders here and there, his defensive stats were excellent this year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted August 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, combover said: Maybe today 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Despite the big blunders here and there, his defensive stats were excellent this year stop it, this isn't how hyperbole works. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ba;;isticsports said: but if they are getting hurt on the job, they shouldn't be penalized, just some like you state have a history of always being off, which makes it frustrating for the fans, teammates, gm, coach, owner etc That's a whole can of worms they don't want to open though. Then you will have guys just playing not to get hurt. It's also not really fair for a freak injury like Bo last year. I agree though there should be some combination where part of your pay is dependent on if you are actually playing ... and even playing up to acceptable standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Gawdzukes said: That's a whole can of worms they don't want to open though. Then you will have guys just playing not to get hurt. It's also not really fair for a freak injury like Bo last year. I agree though there should be some combination where part of your pay is dependent on if you are actually playing ... and even playing up to acceptable standards. Would not be surprised to see the NHL try for a NFL styled contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 32 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: actually there are a few here that's talking about he's so good defensively hence he got the 1 or 2 random selke participation vote lol. and the sedins were relatively productive near the end of their career they were still producing at 50-60 points good enough for a 2nd line role.. because their game tbh never relied on the speed so i'm not quite sure what the people here are talking about saying the sedins were useless once they became slow.. they were literally slow the entire career.. meanwhile Miller relies on his speed to be effective.. once father time catches up and he loses a step will he be effective in a 3rd or 4th line role as a checking/shutdown guy? my guess is no unless he changes his game and become more engage defensively rather than just being there. Yeah I don't think his defense is that good, LOL. I just think he would be better as an aging vet then the Sedins. His ability to throw checks, kill penalties, skate adequately, take face offs and provide leadership will allow him to work his way down the line up and still be effective. I think with the Sedins when they lost their skating quickness they also lost the ability to do other things quickly. They were so quick at times that people thought they had eyes in the back of their heads. Once that ability to make plays like that waned, they had a hard time being effective. I really wished they had been moved down the line up and split up later in their careers. Their intelligence(hockey sense) along with stronger and faster line mates would have been fun to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Despite the big blunders here and there, his defensive stats were excellent this year So was Myers but I seem to recall cdc have his head on a pitchfork atm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Would not be surprised to see the NHL try for a NFL styled contract. Owners could try all they want, but that would be a definitive non-starter for the PA and almost certainly lead to a work stoppage. I'm not arguing the merits of the idea, just that the PA would consider that an unacceptable position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 44 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Would not be surprised to see the NHL try for a NFL styled contract. I would be all for it. I mean yah these guys have shortened careers and put their bodies on the line but they are rewarded incredibly well for it. If you're not living up to your contract there should be consequences and like the rest of the people you have to deliver at least a level of acceptable performance to keep your job. There should be a happy medium where a certain amount is guaranteed but if you're not playing well enough where the team doesn't want you, you're gone. I like how in the NFL if a team has soured on you and you don't fit into their plans the just cut you and they don't spend years with the owners and fans hating the very players they are paying and don't want playing. That's just bloody silly and weakens the league. If you're good enough to play you get a contract that reflects that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 I just realized this post is 1200 pages.. How da hell do you guys manage to talk 1200 pages on this topic.. This could only happen on CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gawdzukes Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Owners could try all they want, but that would be a definitive non-starter for the PA and almost certainly lead to a work stoppage. I'm not arguing the merits of the idea, just that the PA would consider that an unacceptable position. Like someone else mentioned the NHLPA got completely hosed last time but yeah you're right they would rail against it. There has to be some reason is flies in the NFL though. Perhaps their setup has contingencies to alleviate that consequence for the players. They must have there own union there as well. 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: actually there are a few here that's talking about he's so good defensively hence he got the 1 or 2 random selke participation vote lol. and the sedins were relatively productive near the end of their career they were still producing at 50-60 points good enough for a 2nd line role.. because their game tbh never relied on the speed so i'm not quite sure what the people here are talking about saying the sedins were useless once they became slow.. they were literally slow the entire career.. meanwhile Miller relies on his speed to be effective.. once father time catches up and he loses a step will he be effective in a 3rd or 4th line role as a checking/shutdown guy? my guess is no unless he changes his game and become more engage defensively rather than just being there. I have been commenting on JT's weak defence since he came to the team. You can ask my dad ... we watch all the games together. JT's favorite play: The other team's 3 forwards break out against our two D. JT is right there at center ice following the 3rd skater. Instead of catching his man which he can easily do and defending goal side he purposely skates 1-3 feet behind his mark, hoping for a missed pass, a bobble, or a stick lift where he can go the other way with a free extra man situation. Sure it works sometimes but damn is that frustrating as a teammate when you're in a one goal game and JT's man skates in uncontested for an easy goal to completely change momentum. Edited August 31, 2022 by Gawdzukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 51 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: thats what i want 3 equal scoring lines. JT, petey and BO. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Does that mean we are trading Miller for another center who will wear #9 as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted August 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, smithers joe said: thats what i want 3 equal scoring lines. JT, petey and BO. Boudreau gets it. Our strength is down the middle. Now that we have really good winger depth it just makes sense. I saw one article that said minutes will be a problem but I don’t see that. You can play any line more minutes on any given night based on which line is going. It just keeps our guys more fresh. Edited August 31, 2022 by DeNiro 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, timberz21 said: Does that mean we are trading Miller for another center who will wear #9 as well? Trade Miller so Petey won't use him as a crutch and be forced to learn the C position. Petey resumes his scoring pace and his d-side game makes him a 1C even if his FO % is a shade less than 50%. Petey is the future not JT. Trade Miller for a RD ++ 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Boudrias said: Trade Miller so Petey won't use him as a crutch and be forced to learn the C position. Petey resumes his scoring pace and his d-side game makes him a 1C even if his FO % is a shade less than 50%. Petey is the future not JT. Trade Miller for a RD ++ No one’s trading right D’s right now. If there was one available we probably would have made a trade by now. Allvin needs to hold out for Schneider, Morrow, or Clarke. Wait for a team to get desperate (maybe after a slow start). We know Millers value, we’re not giving away our best player unless a top prospect is coming back. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: So basically what most folks expected if Miller were still to be around come camp. I understand the allure of having Pettersson, Horvat, and Miller down the middle for some but it doesn't seem realistic long term as all three will want top six ice time. I reckon it won't take long for someone to be shifted to the wing for that reason. Horvat is also miscast as a shutdown center and I'm still of the opinion that we need a legitimate 3C. Problem is those shutdown guys are very much in demand around the league. Guess we'll see what happens, but none of what's reported here should surprise anyone who's been paying attention. Edited August 31, 2022 by Coconuts 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: No one’s trading right D’s right now. If there was one available we probably would have made a trade by now. Allvin needs to hold out for Schneider, Morrow, or Clarke. Wait for a team to get desperate (maybe after a slow start). We know Millers value, we’re not giving away our best player unless a top prospect is coming back. Exactly. I suspect there are willing trade partners just not at the value PA wants. Totally agree with you that the Canucks have to get back what is needed or the waiting game continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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