aGENT Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JM_ said: I wonder if we're getting a little carried away with our expectations around the Miller deal? not so long ago Chytil and Schneider would have been seen as a great return on Miller. Pretty sure it was always Chytil, Schneider and a first for Miller alone (x 2 cup runs). If we're downgrading the first to a late 2nd and adding Schenn, I don't think it's out of line to ask for Barron at all. Barron likely has a 3C ceiling... It's not like I'm trying to slap Kakko or Laffy in there Edited January 25, 2022 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Pretty sure it was always Chytil, Schneider and a first for Miller alone (x 2 cup runs). If we're downgrading the first to a late 2nd and adding Schenn, I don't think it's out of line to ask for Barron at all. that trade would be a big win for both teams, particularly if Miller inks an extension (which I think they agree to in principle before the deal). If its going to happen, I hope it happens early and not down to the TDL. Last thing I want is Miller going to Calgary for lesser pieces if the Rangers make their moves before we decide on what to do. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Perhaps it's just my pessimistic nature but I just get the feeling that contenders are going to feel like "we'd love to have him but we don't need him; if we're spending assets at this deadline it should be for a D-man". Which is why I find it hard to believe that we'd get a 1st and an A prospect like Schneider, instead of a 1st + two B pieces. I hope I'm wrong but you guys know the chances of this are slim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, kanucks25 said: Perhaps it's just my pessimistic nature but I just get the feeling that contenders are going to feel like "we'd love to have him but we don't need him; if we're spending assets at this deadline it should be for a D-man". Which is why I find it hard to believe that we'd get a 1st and an A prospect like Schneider, instead of a 1st + two B pieces. I hope I'm wrong but you guys know the chances of this are slim. We could settle for Laugher or Crappo, and hope they improve? Bad to give up Miller for a bustaroo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, JM_ said: that trade would be a big win for both teams, particularly if Miller inks an extension (which I think they agree to in principle before the deal). If its going to happen, I hope it happens early and not down to the TDL. Last thing I want is Miller going to Calgary for lesser pieces if the Rangers make their moves before we decide on what to do. Yeah, I do not want miller going to Calgary. I do think his agent would likely let it be known he probably would re-sign in Calgary which would probably squash it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 hours ago, JC2 said: Based on the rangers needs you'd think Miller would be their prime target yet they are pushing hard for Chychrun as well. They do have the assets to acquire both but I don't see them depleting their system for two players. Maybe put out their best offer for both players and take whoever bites first. If they push all their chips in and go for it, NYR can do both. Just means no prospect pools. Sometimes you have to bet big to win big. And it’s not like it’s a rental. Both Miller and Chychrun has some term left on their contracts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The Rags are already pretty stacked with young dmen, I'm not sure why they'd be so in on JC......seems redundant to me. There's only one puck and so much ice time you can allocate. I think if they land Chycrun they are out on Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 19 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: So we just keep him for next year and then he walks for free? I'm having flashbacks of Markstrom and Tanev here. Exactly, one thing we cannot do is let player's who have value walk for free anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, stawns said: How about the Panthers? Would there be any chance for a package around Lundell? I'm not sure they have a young rhd prospect to add though. Lundell would solve the search for a 1C, same as tomasino 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Harold Drunken Posted January 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, HOFsedins said: He is under contract for 1 more year and why can't we resign him and look to trade someone like Boeser? Because Boeser is younger and doesn't have as much trade value as Miller. If you're looking at the future, age comes into play. I love Miller and the team needs him to win now but makes more sense to trade Miller based on return and looking forward. Edited January 25, 2022 by CJ44 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 51 minutes ago, kanucks25 said: Perhaps it's just my pessimistic nature but I just get the feeling that contenders are going to feel like "we'd love to have him but we don't need him; if we're spending assets at this deadline it should be for a D-man". Which is why I find it hard to believe that we'd get a 1st and an A prospect like Schneider, instead of a 1st + two B pieces. I hope I'm wrong but you guys know the chances of this are slim. This is my exact feeling. At this point, if we become seller at the deadline, I’ll be happy with Chytil, Lundkqvist, and a conditional 2nd (covert to a 1st, if the Rangers make the conference finals). I just believe Schneider is probably on their untouchable list, based on Gallant mentioning one of the reason why he took the job was because of Schneider, when he coached him at the Worlds. If they were to trade Schneider, it would be for someone like Chychrun. A player who fits their core group range and has a more terms on his contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 With the hiring of Constanguay (i hope i spelled that correctly) and her connection to Lafreniere, would it make sense to take a run at him in a Miller trade? Its definitely a futures trade and some guys just don't hit the ground running in their first 2 years (see Jack Hughes) but still end up as elite players. Miller at 50% retained for Lafreniere + 2nd? As far as i can remember, the Canucks haven't had a 1st OA on their team since Jovocop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, BabychStache said: With the hiring of Constanguay (i hope i spelled that correctly) and her connection to Lafreniere, would it make sense to take a run at him in a Miller trade? Its definitely a futures trade and some guys just don't hit the ground running in their first 2 years (see Jack Hughes) but still end up as elite players. Miller at 50% retained for Lafreniere + 2nd? As far as i can remember, the Canucks haven't had a 1st OA on their team since Jovocop. Big risk taking Lafreniere in a Miller deal. We would need a first at least (maybe two firsts) to cover for the serious bust issues swirling around the Laugher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, shiznak said: This is my exact feeling. At this point, if we become seller at the deadline, I’ll be happy with Chytil, Lundkqvist, and a conditional 2nd (covert to a 1st, if the Rangers make the conference finals). I just believe Schneider is probably on their untouchable list, based on Gallant mentioning one of the reason why he took the job was because of Schneider, when he coached him at the Worlds. If they were to trade Schneider, it would be for someone like Chychrun. A player who fits their core group range and has a more terms on his contract. I'd say a C who can play pp, pk and gives them an incredible 1-2 punch down the middle is just as coveted as a dman........for the Rags are already deep at d, they don't even need Chycrun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: I wonder if we're getting a little carried away with our expectations around the Miller deal? not so long ago Chytil and Schneider would have been seen as a great return on Miller. You could be very right about this... Surely NY knows, what Canucks needs as well... Tend to be a comment theme, building it up, and then all the criticism afterwards for not getting, what folks expected... Lets hope for a Kings ransom, but not be too disappointed should it not materialise... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, stawns said: The Rags are already pretty stacked with young dmen, I'm not sure why they'd be so in on JC......seems redundant to me. There's only one puck and so much ice time you can allocate. I think if they land Chycrun they are out on Miller. Because the Rangers’ left side is pretty weak, aside from Lindgren. Lindgren - Fox Chychrun - Trouba K’Miller - Nemeth That defensive core would probably be one of the best core, since Nashville circa 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, stawns said: I'd say a C who can play pp, pk and gives them an incredible 1-2 punch down the middle is just as coveted as a dman........for the Rags are already deep at d, they don't even need Chycrun Miller is definitely a bigger need. Even organizationally, they don't have a lot of F's (prospects even) that bring Miller's playoff style grit with top 6 scoring. He's EXACTLY what they're lacking. Chychrun would/could be a nice add for them as well, but he's far less of a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, stawns said: I'd say a C who can play pp, pk and gives them an incredible 1-2 punch down the middle is just as coveted as a dman........for the Rags are already deep at d, they don't even need Chycrun Strome isn’t a slouch of a player, who can kill penalties as well. Plus the known chemistry with Panarin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said: They might laugh if you ask for laff! haha. Gotta ask. If you don't ask, then you don't know. Sometimes GM's can be so desperate that they're so dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, spook007 said: You could be very right about this... Surely NY knows, what Canucks needs as well... Tend to be a comment theme, building it up, and then all the criticism afterwards for not getting, what folks expected... Lets hope for a Kings ransom, but not be too disappointed should it not materialise... I think Rutherford is a crafty old dude too. Stating publicly that "Miller is our best forward" certainly doesn't downgrade his value any. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts