[Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

[.Naslund]

The overreactions on here are hilarious. Horvat is no Patrice Bergeron as y’all are making him out to be. He’s not even as good as Toews ever was (who arguably is one of the most overrated/overpaid players ever), yet people are losing their minds over not being able to resign Horvat for 8million plus. 

Miller at least is capable of passing and creating offence. Horvat is definitely more of a finisher and he wins faceoffs sure but he’s no offence creator.  NBA players don’t pay their players who finish alley oops and get rebounds as much as the player who passes them the ball and create offence. Same principle here. A faceoff specialist who gets gravy opportunities in the bumper spot on the power play surrounded by some of the most creative offensive players this franchise has ever had is NOT WORTH EIGHT MILLION. 

 

Also, the man is having a career year in his contract year at a time in his career where this could very well be his last chance to cash in…a LOT of risk in signing Horvat specifically

[Coconuts]

3 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

I would think Bo would possibly only sign with Carolina then, as they're legitimate contenders whereas Boston will regress soon enough, and the other teams you've mentioned aren't much better than the Canucks - maybe Detroit, I guess.

I could see interest in Boston if they could make space, they still have the bones of a team built to compete. Carlo, Lindholm, and McAvoy on the back end plus others. If they're able to re-sign Pasta they'd have him and a still productive Marchand. Debrusk has value. Not a contender I'd say but they have the bones to be competitive. 

 

Carolina is the best landing spot imo, Kotkaniemi has been a letdown. They do have a to re-sign a starter and some other stuff, but I could see them making it work. They'll need to extend some very important players within the next few years but if they want to go for a cup they'll need another top six center. They certainly have the assets to pay for Horvat, even as a rental. 

 

Maybe Detroit, but I question the fit in terms of where they're at competitively. They're further East and Bo's from Ontario, who knows. Same goes for Columbus. 

[Canucks Curse]

To Boston

Bo

Rathbone

McDanaugh

Dermott

 

 

To VAN

Frederic

Carlo

Lysell

 

Dream on!!

 

To CAR

Bo

Rathbone

 

To VAN

Jarvis

Morrow

Heimosalmi

2023 1st

[Petey Castiglione]

I will be sad panda of we trade Bo and to me that signals rebuild.  Might as well trade everyone except Petey and tank for Bedard but that won't happen.  Trade Miller FFS!

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

Each side is waiting to see who blinks first.

 

Of course Bo's camp will ask for more, and of course management will say they are at their limits end for Bo's deal.

 

I do think Bo's camp is in the driver's seat now though. They have way more bargaining power, and as is, Bo has seen enough losing in this market, he can easily chase money and a better team elsewhere. I'm happy Bo was our captain, but with how mediocre this team is, I'm no longer tied to players sentimentally anymore. I wanna win again, and if trading Bo helps us win long term by trading him, by all means do it. 

[DownUndaCanuck]

We should have had some foresight before signing Miller...

 

Now we're going to end up with a mess of centers - one too young (Petey), one too old (Miller) and no one in the middle to pass the batton.

 

This management team was and will always be judged by how they handle the Bo/Miller decisions and so far they've made the wrong decisions on both occasions. Letting Miller walk and re-signing Bo would have arguably lead to more value to the club than keeping an ageing Miller and trading Bo.

[5nothincanucksohno]

21 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Any trade will probably be with the mindset of continuing to be “competitive” now instead of building for the future.

 

Not expecting much after the Miller situation.

 

 

I sure hope not...wouldn't mind the return including some high end players in the 22 - 23 age range but overall the return needs to be for med- to long-term benefit.

 

I hope Horvat, along with many other players over the age of 26 are traded...time to stock up the D depth with some high quality assets/players and then go after one or two UFA vets who have actually won something.

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by 5nothincanucksohno

[Jester13]

14 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I could see interest in Boston if they could make space, they still have the bones of a team built to compete. Carlo, Lindholm, and McAvoy on the back end plus others. If they're able to re-sign Pasta they'd have him and a still productive Marchand. Debrusk has value. Not a contender I'd say but they have the bones to be competitive. 

 

Carolina is the best landing spot imo, Kotkaniemi has been a letdown. They do have a to re-sign a starter and some other stuff, but I could see them making it work. They'll need to extend some very important players within the next few years but if they want to go for a cup they'll need another top six center. They certainly have the assets to pay for Horvat, even as a rental. 

 

Maybe Detroit, but I question the fit in terms of where they're at competitively. They're further East and Bo's from Ontario, who knows. Same goes for Columbus. 

rethinking Bo's previous comments, he has stated he wants to consistently play in the playoffs, not that he wants to go to a contender, so maybe he would want to sign with Boston. Uggh, of all teams...

[CanuckFan1123]

15 minutes ago, .Naslund said:

The overreactions on here are hilarious. Horvat is no Patrice Bergeron as y’all are making him out to be. He’s not even as good as Toews ever was (who arguably is one of the most overrated/overpaid players ever), yet people are losing their minds over not being able to resign Horvat for 8million plus. 

Miller at least is capable of passing and creating offence. Horvat is definitely more of a finisher and he wins faceoffs sure but he’s no offence creator.  NBA players don’t pay their players who finish alley oops and get rebounds as much as the player who passes them the ball and create offence. Same principle here. A faceoff specialist who gets gravy opportunities in the bumper spot on the power play surrounded by some of the most creative offensive players this franchise has ever had is NOT WORTH EIGHT MILLION. 

 

Also, the man is having a career year in his contract year at a time in his career where this could very well be his last chance to cash in…a LOT of risk in signing Horvat specifically

It’s an overreaction from us to know that there’s a strong chance we lose our captain, our longest tenured current roster player, and a guy we have all enjoyed watching for basically a decade? I think it’s fair to be upset. As fans, our job is to cheer on the team and the players, not to sit here worrying about whether a player will get all the money he wants. Social media has ruined sports. Do you really think people were sitting around in the early 90s wondering about player contracts and if a negotiation was going ok for the better part of an entire year? No. We didn’t have the resources. We just watched and enjoyed the game and found out in the newspaper if a player got traded. 
 

No one is sitting here comparing Bo to super elite players. We like Bo because he’s been a great team player and captain and is fun to watch. Are there better players on the planet? Of course. Would I trade Bo for McDavid if the opportunity came up? Of course. But Bo is ours and trading him or losing him will kind of hurt a lot. That’s why we’re upset about these reports. 

[jyu]

8 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Each side is waiting to see who blinks first.

 

Of course Bo's camp will ask for more, and of course management will say they are at their limits end for Bo's deal.

 

I do think Bo's camp is in the driver's seat now though. They have way more bargaining power, and as is, Bo has seen enough losing in this market, he can easily chase money and a better team elsewhere. I'm happy Bo was our captain, but with how mediocre this team is, I'm no longer tied to players sentimentally anymore. I wanna win again, and if trading Bo helps us win long term by trading him, by all means do it. 

I don't think Canucks have any leverage to be honest. If they think they could gain an upper hand in this negotiation, they are delusional. Well, I guess one leverage they have is Bo's loyalty and his family's desire to stay in Van.

 

Bo is a pending UFA well on pace for 40+ goals. Cap could go up by 3 mil next season and there will be plenty of suitors for a top 6 center like Bo.

 

The fools that are running this team should be fired the minute after the TDL if they haven't re-signed Bo and have failed to trade him. 

 

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

We should have had some foresight before signing Miller...

 

Now we're going to end up with a mess of centers - one too young (Petey), one too old (Miller) and no one in the middle to pass the batton.

 

This management team was and will always be judged by how they handle the Bo/Miller decisions and so far they've made the wrong decisions on both occasions. Letting Miller walk and re-signing Bo would have arguably lead to more value to the club than keeping an ageing Miller and trading Bo.

It’s been a complete clusterf&$K lets be honest. They had no idea what to do.
 

They wanted Miller if they could get him at good value, but when he was asking for too much they tried to trade him. They couldn’t find a trade they thought was good enough, so they decided to re-sign him at fear of losing value.

They wanted Bo if they could re-sign him at a number around 6, and were counting on a discount. They left him as an afterthought thinking they could get his deal done into the season. Now what would have cost around 7 in the summer is looking like it would be closer to 9. So again their gamble will force them to do something they didn’t plan on doing.

 

This is the worst hand of poker ever played.

 

[Coconuts]

5 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

rethinking Bo's previous comments, he has stated he wants to consistently play in the playoffs, not that he wants to go to a contender, so maybe he would want to sign with Boston. Uggh, of all teams...

He could do that in Boston. I don't see him being biased against Boston because of them beating the Canucks in the final either, that wasn't his team and I don't see the twins as being the kind of people to pass along a grudge. 

[Jester13]

Just now, Coconuts said:

He could do that in Boston. I don't see him being biased against Boston because of them beating the Canucks in the final either, that wasn't his team and I don't see the twins as being the kind of people to pass along a grudge. 

I meant that as a Nucks fan seeing our captain go to our 2011 rivals. It would suuuuuck to see him go play with the B's.

[You Mad Bro?]

Hard to see this management team over the last year and change as anything other than a failure 

[You Mad Bro?]

I’ll be a career Horvat fan. Even if he goes to Boston 

[Toyotasfan]

How many years has Bo been captain of this mediocre ship? 
Beyond face offs and that one timer on the PP 

I think we can do better, his trade value is high right now .

[DeNiro]

Just now, You Mad Bro? said:

Hard to see this management team over the last year and change as anything other than a failure 

Too many voices, no direction.

 

Im already looking past this management group to the next one. They’ll be gone in a couple years. I’m just hoping they don’t do too much long term damage.

 

Hopefully the next management group is given the green light for a full rebuild when this retool goes down in flames.

[Phil_314]

I'm not excited to see how this plays out.  Knowing our management, we'd be the type to go for a playoff push when there's the slightest chance that we could squeak in, and we might again miss the boat on trading him out.  Alternatively, even if we were to move him out and get that needed RHD, we'd probably throw picks away unnecessarily (like the 2nd and 7th to Arizona) when he's the prime asset being dealt.  There could be so many ways where management botches this, but I hope this is one instance where they get it right.

[Coconuts]

10 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

I meant that as a Nucks fan seeing our captain go to our 2011 rivals. It would suuuuuck to see him go play with the B's.

Oh yeah, that I totally get. 

[DeltaSwede]

45 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

Miller thread had what, close to a thousand pages? It was very much divided on what to do with him. A lot of us wanted a haul for Miller. A lot wanted him re-signed. It definitely wasn't a 90/10 situation. He was the most debated topic up until he signed. As for Horvat, there are a lot that want him traded. And a lot that want him re-signed. Again, it's not a 90/10 situation.

Yeah no kidding.. ever heard of exaggerating a point? Thanks for clearing up the obvious!