SilentSam Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said: https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/will-noah-dobson-domino-finally-fall-on-nhl-summer-trade-front is there any chance this was the trade that fell through on the draft floor? Back when Lou had 11m in capspace maybe,. but we’re far from that. Isles have 2 mil in capspace , if they move Pageau and Romanov for Horvat that clears 7.5 , leaving money to sign Bo .… but I’m sure that guarantee is needed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said: https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/will-noah-dobson-domino-finally-fall-on-nhl-summer-trade-front is there any chance this was the trade that fell through on the draft floor? I thought it was regarding Myers. We will never get Dobson. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Back when Lou had 11m in capspace maybe,. but we’re far from that. Isles have 2 mil in capspace , if they move Pageau and Romanov for Horvat that clears 7.5 , leaving money to sign Bo .… but I’m sure that guarantee is needed. Pageau and Romanov for Bo works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) interesting take. some pumping and dumping stuff right there. Edited December 17, 2022 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, SilentSam said: interesting take. I mean it’s always kinda been the issue with him. Fans always said he didn’t put up points cause he didn’t have good wingers. But even with good wingers he doesn’t tend to make his linemates better. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB43 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I mean it’s always kinda been the issue with him. Fans always said he didn’t put up points cause he didn’t have good wingers. But even with good wingers he doesn’t tend to make his linemates better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I mean it’s always kinda been the issue with him. Fans always said he didn’t put up points cause he didn’t have good wingers. But even with good wingers he doesn’t tend to make his linemates better. Bo is what he is. 30-30 60-ish point guy. Huge on face offs. Big, heavy but can move. Holds his own as a matchup 2 way guy. #2 C. Very good maybe elite #2 C. I think you can give him 8 mil as Petey will be making at least 10 as the 1C. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Shayster007 said: To be fair... I don't necessarily disagree with this. Haven't we all been drooling over the Schneiders, Newhook, Marrow, Byrams, of the NHL for about a year now? Aren't those all classified as young players? I mean... I'm down for a trade if that's the type of return coming back. If Old Jim believes what he said, and this team is 2-3 years away from contending, I'd rather a young player like that coming back then a bunch of picks. To make things perfectly clear, I'm on team tear it down to the studs. I think this team is fundamentally flawed and needs a ton of work. But I'm A OK targeting talented young players if we think they have big upside. Agreed if big upside but I wonder who would be willing to trade that type of player...maybe a up and coming bubble team that thinks Horvat will move them forward a few steps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: Agreed if big upside but I wonder who would be willing to trade that type of player...maybe a up and coming bubble team that thinks Horvat will move them forward a few steps? Was fantasizing getting Dylan Cozens from buffalo... That would fit your narrative of a bubble team... But we'd have to add in order to make that happen. Really buffalo would hang up if that was the ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Bo plays more like a PWF than a two way. Which I think is the misconception with him. I am sure someone will bring up Bert. But he was a unicorn of a PWF. Guy had great playmaking skills and size and strength. Was a wicked player. Bo is likely a 25-30 goal, 55-65 point guy. Which is why I always say we want playmaking wingers for him. Not guys that need someone to make plays for them. I am not concerned about his assists. Haters will always find a way to hate on someone. Boeser has more assists than goals. Problem. Bo is a point per game guy with mostly goals. Now we are concerned about more goals than assists. I only give a sh*t about your production. Are you contributing? The mental gymnastics people do to diminish someone on OUR TEAM is kinda wild. I am not saying break the bank for Bo. But you have to really, really be trying hard to lowball a guy to roast a point per game guy for not having more assists. Lol. Offer him the Ryan O'Reilly deal. He says no, trade him for a haul. But don't throw around ridiculous complaints about his assists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 hours ago, sxqhfeh said: It’s the benning strategy. The one constant across both management groups is ownership. The team will never rebuild Will be so embarrassing if we make a win now trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Bo is what he is. 30-30 60-ish point guy. Huge on face offs. Big, heavy but can move. Holds his own as a matchup 2 way guy. #2 C. Very good maybe elite #2 C. I think you can give him 8 mil as Petey will be making at least 10 as the 1C. 8 million is too high. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Been looking through some of the rumoured teams in the hunt for Horvat. And also the rumour that Nucks management wants younger NHL roster player(s) back in the trade... I just don't like a lot of the choices coming back that would be realistic. Eriksson Ek would be a perfect 3rd line center that can move up in case if injury.... But I don't see Minn doing that. Maybe Rangers handing over Chytil ++ he'd be a good young 3rd line center as well but that's about it. The Islanders won't give up Dobson, and Bolduc is the only other good prospect that might be ready to step into our d... But again unproven and a left shot. So no that doesn't work either. As I mentioned in previous post... My first choice would be Cozens... But like Dobson in NY, that's a non starter. I just hope management is looking at prospects and picks vs roster players... Otherwise I don't know if the return can be maximized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, J-23 said: Will be so embarrassing if we make a win now trade. Compared to watching him walk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Shayster007 said: Benning had a terrible trade record. I'd trust someone that I know little about more then I would trust Jim, who I know all about. What didn't you like? He made some pretty solid trades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 hour ago, ilduce39 said: Bo is what he is. 30-30 60-ish point guy. Huge on face offs. Big, heavy but can move. Holds his own as a matchup 2 way guy. #2 C. Very good maybe elite #2 C. I think you can give him 8 mil as Petey will be making at least 10 as the 1C. So Petey is making 10 Miller 8 Bo 8 Kuz 6 Is that even feasible. I don't think so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: I mean it’s always kinda been the issue with him. Fans always said he didn’t put up points cause he didn’t have good wingers. But even with good wingers he doesn’t tend to make his linemates better. so many of his assists are faceoff wins I swear lol. but ya I don’t and haven’t bought that either. BO STRENGTHS - Embraces Captaincy in Vancouver with all the media duties and scrutiny - PP Bumper Goal scoring Animal - Top Tier Hand Eye (Goals by Tip / Deflection) - Faceoff Stud - Physical Tools (speed / size / shot) - Turned a weakness into a strength in one summer (skating) - Competitor and Professional Approach to Being a Canuck - Community contributor - isn’t caught making the huge gaffes / turnovers - Decent in shootouts Potential / Expected Strength - extra gear for playoffs this is based off his insane memorial cup run in Jr and his bubble performance WEAKNESSES - not a playmaking C - doesn’t create scoring chances for his line mates regularly, more of a finisher - Not a PKer - Not as strong defensively as people think around the league (couturier/Kadri/bergeron/kopitar/toews/oreillyetc he’s not that kinda C) BO is exceptional as a finisher, a skater, an offensives forward that beasts in the faceoff circle. Handles our media very well. He’s not a part of the problem in the room, or in the roster from what I can see. I think his style of playing helps the team become a winning team much more than a Miller / Boeser. i do think a top 2 of BO and PETEY can be effective. And would rather move miller and boeser and add a Matchup/Pking RHC for the 3C and build the team like that. but if Bo wants to go he’s gotta go. And I don’t think paying him north of 8.5M and Jt 8 and boeser just under 7 makes any sense at all. we really should have sold high on JT last year that was the play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, R3aL said: we really should have sold high on JT last year that was the play 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 hour ago, SilentSam said: Compared to watching him walk? Well, obviously that isn’t going to happen. Would be the end of JR and PA in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 To me the two moves that make sense are trading Bo and Luke. Their value is both high. If its a hockey trade then a natural move for me would be Horvat for Hronek. Schenn has a lot more team options but could be moved for a C who is 25 or under that can slot up and down the lineup; Maybe like a Nicolas Roy type New lines Hoglander Miller Boeser Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev Garland Roy Lazar Joshua Dries Studnika Aman Hughes Hronek OEL Bear Buroughs Myers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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