ronthecivil Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 This is terrible regressive. It adds a tax to milk. It will not encourage me to recycle. I already do. What it does is make me keep empty milk bottles along with the beer ones to recycle. It's not worth the effort. I will instead put them in the trash to keep out the dumpster divers. I have a better idea. Remove the deposit fee on all beverage containers. But keep it as a tax. If there is nothing to return, there will be no dumpster divers. Use the money on supportive housing, food banks, low barrier shelters, etc. it's 2.4 dollars every 24 pack of beer so I would be funding it. This is much more logical. Discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Not a bad concept, but then you'll have the "don't tax me bro!" bros bro'ing about how they're getting taxed, the taxpayer's federation claiming this is a slippery-slope where once a container tax is implemented, it'll only go up in $$$ and cause grief upon taxpayers, and the anti-poverty advocates advocating for the dumpster divers in the form of "well how are they going to make a living if you take away their only source of income?" (this, instead of the bros and the federation recognizing that not all taxes are bad: after all, infrastructure - which is government's primary responsibility - needs to be paid for somehow (and user fees are just taxes by a different name); and despite the fact that the income of the dumpster divers can replaced with some other mechanism, like universal income and social programs) The only flaw I can see in your plan is that by placing a recycling deposit on the beverage containers, it's meant to incentivize the re-direction of those containers to recycling facilities. You may see it as taking it out of the blue bin and placing it in storage until it's convenient for you to return the whole lot of them at once, but without the incentive, I'm guessing there are many others who couldn't be bothered to put it in the blue bin in the first place and have already chosen to trash it instead (because it's all the same to them whether they sort it or trash it) vs. giving them the opportunity to get some money back even if it requires them going out of their own way. But - as they say, unintended consequences are bound to happen, and your line of thought is probably one that the people who came up with this recycling deposit plan never thought of. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 What about glass bottles from Avalon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: What about glass bottles from Avalon? I think Avalon is running that program themselves, since they re-use their own bottles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Honestly, it's an annoyance for me. I already go to the bottle depot enough since they started taking in all kinds of plastic bags (not just shopping bags, but chip bags etc). The bags of plastic fill up my "bottle depot bin" pretty quick, add milk containers and I'm going to have to either get a way bigger bin or it'll be a weekly trip to the bottle depot for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 So.... Milk Cartons, and Avalon is the way to go now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I dont see much issue with this. Its a way to encourage people recycling more and keeping stuff out of the landfills. If you don't want to store and return it thats your choice, I dont really get the difference though if you already recycle many other extremely similar products. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Not sure how practical this would be (or if it's already being done), but I would think that domestic garbage should be processed to separate out stuff that can be recycled or composted vs. stuff that really can't. The tax that Ron suggests could be used to fund that manually-intensive activity. That might even potentially provide jobs for binners, utilizing the skillset that they've honed from diving into dumpsters. (actually, I'm only partially joking here) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Heretic Posted January 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 So, the homeless, looking for a dollar for a cup of coffee, will no longer be able to return empties for cash? That seems kind of heartless to me. (I donate all my clean empties to a single mom here in Armstrong so she has some extra cash for her and her kid). 2 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Heretic said: So, the homeless, looking for a dollar for a cup of coffee, will no longer be able to return empties for cash? That seems kind of heartless to me. (I donate all my clean empties to a single mom here in Armstrong so she has some extra cash for her and her kid). Agreed. All my empties go to my local Scout Camp so they can stay open. They have a drive-through bottle drive once a month and it has been very successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I have no problem with this. I donate all my bottles to Rabbitats...drop them at the depot under their account (easy peasy). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanleyCupOneDay Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I already recycle milk containers and give away my cans/bottles/containers to whatever homeless person shows up to dig through our bins or local charities/bottle drives. So this change doesn’t make any difference to me. I really don’t understand why you’d put milk containers in the trash purposely hurting our environment because of this new fee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, ronthecivil said: It's not worth the effort. I will instead put them in the trash to keep out the dumpster divers. How civil of you, ron. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 good thing I switched to oat milk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 So they're finally giving returns for milk eh? Before I quit back in October I'd spent the last four and a half years working at a bottle depot and you'd be shocked at the number of customers from Alberta who'd fuss over our not giving returns back for milk products. Lot of people are already pretty good about recycling, at least in Nanaimo, but there are lot of folks who will be bringing in milk containers for money going forward. It'll matter to those making the least, you'd be shocked how many regulars we'd have throughout the week. Many we'd see daily. It's those with the least who scrounge and pick up everything the average person isn't going to, those living in poverty are the one's I'd say recycle the most outside the elderly. It was coming down the pipeline when I left so I'm not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, JM_ said: good thing I switched to oat milk Milk and milk-substitutes are subject to the deposit: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022ENV0005-000089 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Does the deposit fee include both the plastic milk bottles AND cartons? Because the new law refer to milk containers. It does not specify plastic or cardboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, DonLever said: Does the deposit fee include both the plastic milk bottles AND cartons? Because the new law refer to milk containers. It does not specify plastic or cardboard. Looks like it's all types of containers for milk, not just plastic. More info if you scroll down the list of beverage containers at this URL: https://www.return-it.ca/beverage/products/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil B From The Pack Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Meh, milk is milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgom Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Recycling plastic is an actual scam, and should be done away with. It all ends up in a landfill in Asia. Homeless people should be paid by weight for picking up garbage and keeping places clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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