HKSR Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, mll said: Don't see why. Would look at the players available at that pick till Vancouver picks next. Teams typically have 40 players or so on their draft lists - they don't rank every prospects but the ones that interest them yet over 200 players get picked each year. Teams don't have the same draft lists. Cool, so canucks win the Bieksa trade as they would have picked Adam Fox with that 2nd round pick. Probably would have picked Jesper Bratt instead of Candella too. Cool! it's easy to win trades like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, HKSR said: Cool, so canucks win the Bieksa trade as they would have picked Adam Fox with that 2nd round pick. Probably would have picked Jesper Bratt instead of Candella too. Cool! it's easy to win trades like this No guarantee they would have picked that player either but gives an indication of who could have been available. Fox wouldn't have signed in Vancouver - had his mind made up on NYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, mll said: No guarantee they would have picked that player either but gives an indication of who could have been available. Fox wouldn't have signed in Vancouver - had his mind made up on NYR. No guarantees either way of any team picking a specific player, therefore the best way to evaluate a trade is based on actual players selected. Otherwise it's all arbitrary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, WHL rocks said: I was just in concussion bad mood. My bad.. I knew but some times it just puts me in irritable mood and I recognize later.. Cheers my friend. It is all good. I remember reading about your concussion. I hope that you are feeling better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 hours ago, mll said: Don't see why. Would look at the players available at that pick till Vancouver picks next. Teams typically have 40 players or so on their draft lists - they don't rank every prospects but the ones that interest them yet over 200 players get picked each year. Teams don't have the same draft lists. Good point, just because one team picked a player with our pick doesn't mean we would have Look at our own Q Hughes I remember when he was drafted a lot of draft lists had him as 4th pick (and fell to 7th) Every scouting team has different reasons for who they pick, so i wouldn't include who was drafted with that pick and just leave it as the pick instead, as we don't know who our scouts would have recommended selecting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 11 hours ago, Timråfan said: Well, I want to know wich player Benning would have chosen. If he looked to fill the gaping holes in defence he could have got a new Shea Weber. Hey what's up with Timra? Are they going to manage staying up this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D-Money Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2022 So trading for Schmidt, then trading him away, were both wins? You do realize that by allocating the money to add Schmidt the Canucks has to walk away from Tanev? I’ll admit that at the time I thought it was an upgrade, but Tanev has been an absolute beast for Calgary, at a very affordable cap hit. Seemed to affect the room too. In hindsight, that whole situation was a giant loss for Vancouver. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, alucard said: Waiting for a review of Benning FA signings, like to see that table. the money he splashed for nothing over and over again. LOL just spending money left and right on garbage players like Jason Dickenson. We got the double loss on that one. Traded a 3rd, signed him to a 3 year deal and hes contributed nothing. He was brought in to play centre, defensively sound and PK and hes atrocious in all of that Edited February 5, 2022 by filthycanuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, D-Money said: So trading for Schmidt, then trading him away, were both wins? You do realize that by allocating the money to add Schmidt the Canucks has to walk away from Tanev? I’ll admit that at the time I thought it was an upgrade, but Tanev has been an absolute beast for Calgary, at a very affordable cap hit. Seemed to affect the room too. In hindsight, that whole situation was a giant loss for Vancouver. Not to mention that fact that he waived his no trade clause to go to WINNIPEG pretty much sums it up. I agree, I don't think Schmidt was an upgrade over Tanev. Im actually suprised how well Tanev has played in Calgary, good for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Any title that says Benning did well I do not agree with High costs and wrong timing for everything he did I have agreed with JR's assessment (for a long time) that this team is not (and wasn't being) constructed properly (and JR should know) Not to say that everything JB did was bad, but he certainly did not have the midas touch in constructing a cup team or timing for one and for that i will not pump his tires Just so glad we have a management team with experience who put a value on communicating to one another and relying on each others opinion We have a chance to be elite again and hope we get there Question is, will this team be given 8 years at the helm? Can't wait to see what JR does to transform this team out of the embaressment we've had the last 8 seasons. He's made some questionable moves in Pittsburgh (good gawd Pearson for Gudbranson?) but those Stanley cup rings speak volumes. Just by the way he's formed his management team, I really like where this team is heading. IMO, i think we are getting that 1st class organization shine back ever since JR has been on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said: Hey what's up with Timra? Are they going to manage staying up this year? It's a pain... They aren't the worst team for now so I have hope still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 12 hours ago, DontMessMe said: All im saying is, just because a player is currently playing in the AHL doesnt mean they are better. Your reason for Klim > Guenther is because he is playing in AHL while the other is playing in juniors. Way too early to tell, and Im not a huge fan of Guenther, but you'll never know. Just because the guy is playing in the AHL right away, that no guarantee he's going to pan out. Lind and Gadjovich have been seemingly doing well when they were in our farm team, so far, their careers don't look very promising 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I don't know...if you're counting Schmidt as a win twice I think you're probably leaning a bit toward favoring Benning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Wow lot of work there and I completely agree, not much bias there either. I was always a fan of JB, I think he had balls and he made the right trade at the right time for what this team needed at the time. You can scrutinize some moves but he always did what we needed when we needed it. The last few trades are a good example - with Sutter injured we needed depth centers, he goes and gets Dickinson (who played great in Dallas) and Lammikko and instantly fixed the problem (or at least patched it up). I think the big reason a lot of his signings and trades don't look as good as they should is that players under-performed with us. Whether this is a coaching or scouting problem it's hard to say, but a lot of the players were brilliant beforehand and playing with the Canucks just didn't suit them or sucked the life out of them. Schmidt and Loui are prime examples of this - guys in their prime who just sucked with us. Now look at how well Schmidt is playing... Honestly I would have still been happy with JB as our manager but we did need a change. The main reason we sucked IMO was the coaching staff, not just head coach but from top to bottom. We needed new analytics and our scouting could be better on players, but JB was a great trader and at times a brilliant drafter in the later rounds. One could fault him for the high-end drafts (Virtanen, Juolevi in particular) but then he stole a couple with Hughes and Pettersson. This is pretty standard amongst many teams but good teams pick diamonds out of the later rounds. I'm nervous to see what the new management do with trades and even drafting because they made some absolute blunders in Pittsburgh and don't think they'll be as good as JB, but one thing is for sure - JR knows how to create a winning culture and formula which is something Green and JB really struggled with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, FaninMex said: It is all good. I remember reading about your concussion. I hope that you are feeling better. Cheers Edited February 5, 2022 by WHL rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Master Mind said: Obviously not. If your basis for Klimovich being better is that he's currently in the AHL, when Guenther can't play there under league rules, then this is a hopeless argument. If the Coyotes offered Guenther for Klimovich, the Canucks would take the deal and run. This doesn't answer the question though. They are both playing in different leagues, except Klimovich is lucky enough to play in the AHL, and is showing that he can play with men. This doesn't necessarily mean that Guenther can't - but we don't know. So how do you adequately argue that Guenther is 'better'? The sample sizes for both players are so incredibly small and out of context that taking either side of these players is just silly. Edited February 5, 2022 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Kevin Biestra said: I don't know...if you're counting Schmidt as a win twice I think you're probably leaning a bit toward favoring Benning. How exactly do you say the Schmidt trade is a loss? When the first one was done, the Canucks were DEFINITIVELY the winner (on paper). After the poor year he had, the Canucks got their 3rd round pick back - no harm, no foul. And what happened with Schmidt in Winnipeg? I don't see how you can say Benning lost in either of those trades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, filthycanuck said: Not to mention that fact that he waived his no trade clause to go to WINNIPEG pretty much sums it up. I agree, I don't think Schmidt was an upgrade over Tanev. Im actually suprised how well Tanev has played in Calgary, good for him He was acquired for a 3rd round pick that the Canucks technically didn't lose in a second trade. How did the Canucks "lose"? The only loss was letting Tanev walk, which was not about Schmidt. Edited February 5, 2022 by Dazzle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D.B Cooper Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2022 While the list is fun, it is also full of inaccuracies. But who cares? The main issue is…. What kind of a freaking moron trades away high 1st round picks when you are rebuilding? This team has shown nothing… NOTHING to say they were ready to stop the rebuild and start winning. He started trading 1st and 2nds when we only had 3 maybe 4 young core pieces. The guy had zero vision for the future. Like none. I was a Benning fan and now the more I look at it, the dumber I feel. Where would we be if we kept those 1sts and 2nds? Fully stocked cupboard with quality prospects. A couple more kids would be growing with the team by now. All the dog pooh contracts would be coming off after this year, and we’d be ready to start adding to the core and making runs. We are at least 2 years away from that now. It took him 8 years to rebuild and we still suck. IMO Benning goes down as one of the worst we’ve ever had. He accomplished nothing and we are as bad as we were when he took over. Empty cupboard Large bad contracts No cap space Underperforming team All this thread did was make me want to cheer for the Kraken. Hahaha Obviously I won’t, but thanks for making me hate the Canucks for the day 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dazzle said: How exactly do you say the Schmidt trade is a loss? When the first one was done, the Canucks were DEFINITIVELY the winner (on paper). After the poor year he had, the Canucks got their 3rd round pick back - no harm, no foul. And what happened with Schmidt in Winnipeg? I don't see how you can say Benning lost in either of those trades. Well I didn't say he lost either. I would just call the whole thing a Mulligan. If you make two winning trades I kind of think you come ahead better than your starting position twice over, not tread water. He's either better than a 3rd rounder or he's not. He's not better than one and then worse than one. And how it looks on paper is kind of the opposite of what judging the trade results in the real world as per the thread is about. Edited February 5, 2022 by Kevin Biestra 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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