appleboy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 This club may be at the perfect point for a tear down job. If they can get an A prospect and draft picks out of each of these players they could turn this team around very quickly. We would get a great shot at the next two drafts . Trade all of these players and show what you think each player could bring in. Then put together a team with your trades and look at the drafts coming up . You might be surprised. Miller - Grade A young player + ____ Horvat - " + Garland - " + Boeser - " + Meyers - " + Pearson - " + We could put together a young club that would mature together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 TANK TANK TANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Honestly, the responsible thing right now is to sell some (not all) assets. This team NEEDS to have more futures playing, and the timing of this may just be perfect right now. Miller is worth a significant amount of assets, and this will help the Canucks immensely. It's at least a first round pick, PLUS a top prospect, and a helpful player/prospect. Given what this team didn't have before due to a certain GM who couldn't draft worth a damn, the trade for Miller is/was a solid trade. Horvat is also worth trading as well, but he'd be even harder to replace. Boeser is still very young, and so is Pettersson. These two should not be considered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The idea of losing on purpose is always going to be an insult to the very idea of sports. Maybe, just maybe, one could make an argument for it for business reasons, and who doesn't love talking business, but from the point of view of sports, tanking is always going to be moronic. The whole point is to try to win, each and every game. Always. There is honor in losing but only if one has given it a full effort. To give anything less than a 100% effort to win, and to do so on purpose, disrespects the game, the opponents, the fans, everyone, and worst of all it both requires and sustains a lack of self respect. It's just plain disrespectful to the idea of enjoying competition (even if you use a really big font). GCG! P.S. - Winning isn't everything, always trying to win is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I mean there is a case for it. I'm not interested in half measures. If JR believes in this team he signs Miller and trades Brock to make cap room. If not then ya I would be willing to entertain the idea of a full gut. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The perfect time to fully tank was 2013. 48 games for MacKinnon? any day of the week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I don't think the Canucks will be buyers at this TDL, as they're not a playoff team. I believe their plan is to build the young core and get them all playing together, and in 2 years they'll be ready to compete and make a run. Horvat Pettersson Hoglander Podkolzin Hughes Demko 2022 1sts (plural) 2023 1sts (again) incoming Prospects What I like is that Allvin seems to have a real grasp of the European talent and close contacts there, and the Canucks could find some gems there, and in the college ranks too. My guess is they'll want to clear cap and get younger, which means these guys could be off the team to start the 2022/23 season: Miller Boeser Pearson Dickinson Motte Sutter Poolman Hunt Halak I think they keep Garland, and I think they re-sign Chiasson, Lammikko, Highmore and Hunt. Cheap depth guys who know the systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted February 4, 2022 Author Share Posted February 4, 2022 52 minutes ago, nux_win said: The idea of losing on purpose is always going to be an insult to the very idea of sports. Maybe, just maybe, one could make an argument for it for business reasons, and who doesn't love talking business, but from the point of view of sports, tanking is always going to be moronic. The whole point is to try to win, each and every game. Always. There is honor in losing but only if one has given it a full effort. To give anything less than a 100% effort to win, and to do so on purpose, disrespects the game, the opponents, the fans, everyone, and worst of all it both requires and sustains a lack of self respect. It's just plain disrespectful to the idea of enjoying competition (even if you use a really big font). GCG! P.S. - Winning isn't everything, always trying to win is. You miss the entire point of what is being suggested. Not just by me but by our new management , media and tons of people on this site. This is not about losing it is about redesigning this club. If trades are done correctly you could see a big influx of young talent come in. High grade young talent plus add some draft assets that could jump start this organization and carry it into the future. If they get a grade A player/ prospect for each out going player you may see very little decline. I am suggesting people be a GM and see if they can put together realistic trades that make us better in the near future. Ignore the word Tank. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, appleboy said: Miller - Grade A young player + ____ Horvat - " + Garland - " + Boeser - " + In my view, if done right, you'd only have to trade 2 of the these guys for JR/Allvin to change the complexion of the roster quite substantially. Even if you ballpark very reasonable trade scenario's involving the following you'd get a much different look on this club: Miller to Rags for: Schneider/2nd/Chytil. Garland to NJD : Foote/Bahl/3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 55 minutes ago, Zhukini said: The perfect time to fully tank was 2013. 48 games for MacKinnon? any day of the week. 2016 was good too. Three games in California that's all that was needed for Austin Matthews. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) You know what THAT MEANS!!!! Draft lottery simulator time!https://www.tankathon.com/nhl We are currently in Connor Geekie territory... drop another few spots and we could be looking at a Jiricek/Nemec which would be outstanding. Edited February 4, 2022 by Provost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted February 4, 2022 Author Share Posted February 4, 2022 Example Miller to Rangers for Schneider , Othman and a first. Horvat to Colorado for Newhook , Olausson and a first Garland to Boston for DeBrusk and Lysell and a second Boeser to Min for Boldy and a first Meyers to Anaheim for Manson and a first Pearson - Find a way to clear his cap? Dickinson ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 29 minutes ago, appleboy said: You miss the entire point of what is being suggested. Not just by me but by our new management , media and tons of people on this site. This is not about losing it is about redesigning this club. If trades are done correctly you could see a big influx of young talent come in. High grade young talent plus add some draft assets that could jump start this organization and carry it into the future. If they get a grade A player/ prospect for each out going player you may see very little decline. I am suggesting people be a GM and see if they can put together realistic trades that make us better in the near future. Ignore the word Tank. LOL Did I miss the point or did you use a misleading headline? Frankly your comment here is an attempt at bait and switch. Tanking is always about losing on purpose no matter how people try to candy coat it. And you put it in large bold print in your headline so what am I supposed to think? People always seem to want their cake and eat it too. People get so enamored by the possibility of good draft picks that they forget that the concept of tanking is ALWAYS about losing on purpose. And I for one won't stand for that. I don't have respect for any professional athlete who loses on purpose. Fans can suggest whatever they want but I'm definitely not on board with that. Getting lucky in the draft can certainly help but trying to get a top pick on purpose is a fool's errand. There's lots of different ways to build a good team and we should try every possible avenue, except LOSING ON PURPOSE!! GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, appleboy said: Example Miller to Rangers for Schneider , Othman and a first. Horvat to Colorado for Newhook , Olausson and a first Garland to Boston for DeBrusk and Lysell and a second Boeser to Min for Boldy and a first Meyers to Anaheim for Manson and a first Pearson - Find a way to clear his cap? Dickinson ???? Minny says no to Boeser deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, appleboy said: This club may be at the perfect point for a tear down job. If they can get an A prospect and draft picks out of each of these players they could turn this team around very quickly. We would get a great shot at the next two drafts . Trade all of these players and show what you think each player could bring in. Then put together a team with your trades and look at the drafts coming up . You might be surprised. Miller - Grade A young player + ____ Horvat - " + Garland - " + Boeser - " + Meyers - " + Pearson - " + We could put together a young club that would mature together. We just did that. There will be moves and balancing, but there will NOT be a wholesale rebuild. We have the components here, but we do need a little rework to smooth out our depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, appleboy said: Example Miller to Rangers for Schneider , Othman and a first. Horvat to Colorado for Newhook , Olausson and a first Garland to Boston for DeBrusk and Lysell and a second Boeser to Min for Boldy and a first Meyers to Anaheim for Manson and a first Pearson - Find a way to clear his cap? Dickinson ???? I'm of the opinion that we are seriously overvaluing the Canucks players. Many of the proposals on here are waaay too optimistic (I'm not singling out just this specific proposal, but most of them on this thread). I would be ecstatic if they turned out that way but, in reality, I think not. e.g. the Miler proposal above - 1 piece too much. Ditto Horvat, Garland, Myers and Boeser. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Minny says no to Boeser deal. What about Lambos + 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, BPA said: What about Lambos + 1st? No idea, just know Minny is super high on Boldy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BPA said: What about Lambos + 1st? Minnesota has the third best goals for/game in the league. They also have a massive cap problem starting next season with $13k in dead cap space from the Parise/Suter buy outs. Simply said Boeser isn’t a need. Even if he was they can’t afford him and his $7.5m QO. Especially if it’s for futures Edited February 5, 2022 by qwijibo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Hard to out tank the Habs. I see that team needing to tank for 5 years. They have no young players or prospects who are decent. We should stay the course, because the Habs are the Tankers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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