aGENT Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) We don't need to nuke things. -Sell Miller for a small haul of ready/near ready players and a pick. -Assuming we can't re-up Motte for +/-1.75m, get a 2nd or 3rd for him as well. -Try to move Halak (if he's open to it) PIT and NSH seem the most obvious options. -Maybe nab a late rounder lotto ticket for Chiasson -Maybe see if we can recover our 3rd rounder (or more if possible) for Dickinson. If not this TDL, this summer. If not, hopefully it's just "first season on a new team-itis" and he recovers next year. Next year look at selling Hamonic at TDL for....a 2nd/3rd? Year after, Pearson and Myers can go...and onward and upward. Edited February 5, 2022 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, appleboy said: Example Miller to Rangers for Schneider , Othman and a first. Horvat to Colorado for Newhook , Olausson and a first Garland to Boston for DeBrusk and Lysell and a second Boeser to Min for Boldy and a first Meyers to Anaheim for Manson and a first Pearson - Find a way to clear his cap? Dickinson ???? Yeah Minnesota doesn’t have cap space to add Boeser. Maybe a team like Columbus for Domi (for cap reasons) + + Then we’ve in the Bedard and Michkov sweepstakes next draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Provost said: You know what THAT MEANS!!!! Draft lottery simulator time!https://www.tankathon.com/nhl We are currently in Connor Geekie territory... drop another few spots and we could be looking at a Jiricek/Nemec which would be outstanding. Connor Geekie is the type of player Vancouver needs. 6'4" 205 lbs. Over a point a game. +27 and 35 PIM's. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=227534 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Provost said: You know what THAT MEANS!!!! Draft lottery simulator time!https://www.tankathon.com/nhl We are currently in Connor Geekie territory... drop another few spots and we could be looking at a Jiricek/Nemec which would be outstanding. tried that link 8 times Canucks stayed at 12th 5 times, and dropped, the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said: Yeah Minnesota doesn’t have cap space to add Boeser. Maybe a team like Columbus for Domi (for cap reasons) + + Then we’ve in the Bedard and Michkov sweepstakes next draft! Boeser will fit some where. Or resign him. I am trying to make the point that we have a lot of quality assets . This is not a complete team and our cap structure is a mess. A GM with some vision can take the assets we have and set us up for the future. We may see a step back but not for long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: We just did that. There will be moves and balancing, but there will NOT be a wholesale rebuild. We have the components here, but we do need a little rework to smooth out our depth. how can you say that when the depth is scoring and the core is snoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, gurn said: tried that link 8 times Canucks stayed at 12th 5 times, and dropped, the others Ya… I tried it 50 times and we dropped or stayed the same each time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Connor Geekie is the type of player Vancouver needs. 6'4" 205 lbs. Over a point a game. +27 and 35 PIM's. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=227534 He is ranked from 6-17 depending on the list. If we are in the 6-10 range we can pick him or either of the two D and fill a significant hole. If we are 10-15 things start looking a little thin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Provost said: He is ranked from 6-17 depending on the list. If we are in the 6-10 range we can pick him or either of the two D and fill a significant hole. If we are 10-15 things start looking a little thin. Then we need to start losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Then we need to start losing You and @appleboy need to Tonya Harding Demko for us to to have a shot at tanking. Even if we trade a bunch of guys, he'd still keep us in too many games 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 11 hours ago, nux_win said: The idea of losing on purpose is always going to be an insult to the very idea of sports. Maybe, just maybe, one could make an argument for it for business reasons, and who doesn't love talking business, but from the point of view of sports, tanking is always going to be moronic. The whole point is to try to win, each and every game. Always. There is honor in losing but only if one has given it a full effort. To give anything less than a 100% effort to win, and to do so on purpose, disrespects the game, the opponents, the fans, everyone, and worst of all it both requires and sustains a lack of self respect. It's just plain disrespectful to the idea of enjoying competition (even if you use a really big font). GCG! P.S. - Winning isn't everything, always trying to win is. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Provost said: He is ranked from 6-17 depending on the list. If we are in the 6-10 range we can pick him or either of the two D and fill a significant hole. If we are 10-15 things start looking a little thin. thought this draft was supposed to be a deep one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: thought this draft was supposed to be a deep one? It is depth wise. Its not as legendary as the Kesler draft but its there some good players after 20. If theres a year to tank, its NEXT season when Bedard and Michkov are in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 hours ago, aGENT said: You and @appleboy need to Tonya Harding Demko for us to to have a shot at tanking. Even if we trade a bunch of guys, he'd still keep us in too many games Ur not wrong. Hes too OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Alflives said: Hard to out tank the Habs. I see that team needing to tank for 5 years. They have no young players or prospects who are decent. We should stay the course, because the Habs are the Tankers. U dont have to be the #1 tanker :). U just dont wanna be that team that misses out the playoffs by like 4 points yenno. Dont be that #3-5 wildcard team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, filthycanuck said: It is depth wise. Its not as legendary as the Kesler draft but its there some good players after 20. If theres a year to tank, its NEXT season when Bedard and Michkov are in the draft Well, it doesn't seem like we're going to be a great team next season either. Could very well be top 10-15 that the team will be picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Realistically it would be a good time to do it. Our core is nowhere near as good as the young cores around us (eg. Edmonton, LAK and Anaheim both have very decent prospect pools much deeper than ours with some high-end recent picks). Arizona on the other-hand are going too far with the tank - loading up on prospects and picks but they have no good players on their roster to give the kids a bit of a sense of winning. I think you need a bit of both. To be fair, the California teams have transitioned really well. They were dominant many years ago, then sucked for about 2-3 years and now they're all back in playoff contention, with their veterans like Getzlaf/Kopitar passing the torch nicely to the rookies coming in. We really failed to do this quite badly. The Sedins and Kesler era ran dry and they missed our next young core by a few years. Horvat came in, then Petey and Hughes, and they never had a veteran who was still producing top minutes, they just got thrown in there. This is what you see with the bad teams like New Jersey, Buffalo and Arizona - they don't have a smooth transitional period. Then look at the great teams like Pittsburgh, Boston etc., who still have their players playing in their prime but rookies and kids coming through playing alongside them. For us to be successful we need a bit of both. We need veteran players in their prime mixed amongst kids amongst rookies alongside young high picks in the pipeline coming through. Right now what do we have? JT Miller, Myers, OEL, Horvat, Hughes and Demko in their primes. Following them, we have Petey, Brock, Hoglander and Podkolzin coming through. Following them we have...well no one up front, maybe Rathbone on defence? The problem is, even with these guys in their primes, we're still not really that competitive. I would be for trading some of those prime guys away to try and rebuild on the fly, but the other option is to completely blow it up and see what Petey, Hughes and Demko can do by themselves with no support. They'll get shelled. I don't see them coming back from years of damage, no matter how many good young prospects and picks we have. We could trade Miller for Schneider and a 1st, Garland for a 1st, Boeser for Fiala and a 2nd and Myers for a 1st and we'll stink big time. Then those 1st round picks (who are probably all late 1st rounders anyway) come into a losing team with losing mentality and start their career with an uphill battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 hours ago, aGENT said: You and @appleboy need to Tonya Harding Demko for us to to have a shot at tanking. Even if we trade a bunch of guys, he'd still keep us in too many games He is very good. I think our net will be well cared for. It will be interesting to see how our new management moves forward. Demko and Hughes are two players worthy of building around. Both are very special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 14 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Connor Geekie is the type of player Vancouver needs. 6'4" 205 lbs. Over a point a game. +27 and 35 PIM's. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=227534 Yea I like that guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 hours ago, DontMessMe said: U dont have to be the #1 tanker :). U just dont wanna be that team that misses out the playoffs by like 4 points yenno. Dont be that #3-5 wildcard team. Or make it and get killed by Calgary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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