Popular Post Jester13 Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said: Great, now dump Dickinson and convince Jasek to come back. Sign Lamikko, Highmore and Lockwood for 2.7 mil total. Then trade Boeser to Buffalo for Tuch and Florida's 1st (save 2.75 mil). If I am not mistaken, we now have 10.5m + 2.75 + Ferland 3.5 - whatever savings come from dumping Dickinson - 2.7 for 4th liners. That gives us 13m+ to work with sign Andrew Copp and Josh Manson. Miller EP Podz Pearson Horvat Garland Hoglander Copp Tuch Highmore Jasek Lammikko Lockwood Hughes Manson OEL Myers Dermott Schenn Go Canucks Go! Kuzmenko thread and you left him out of the lineup? 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, JM_ said: And if Toronto had signed him: "Big, strong on the puck and can protect low. Great pace to his game ... 200' player that can help Matthews on the rush. He'll have instant chemistry with the other higher-skilled guys." A bigger version of Hogz ? Edited June 20, 2022 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Podz was 18-20 at that time. He is significantly older. Podz performance in the playoffs was superior as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Pearson to Pit for the RFA rights to Kapanen? I'd do that, but not sure if Pit would... could be 2 parts of a bigger trade though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chickenspear Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Kuzmenko thread and you left him out of the lineup? Healthy scratch 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: A bigger version of Hogz ? Not as deft as Hoglander, possibly better defensively, a heavier shot, speed is comparable so not particularly fast. Edited June 20, 2022 by Maddogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, Jester13 said: Kuzmenko thread and you left him out of the lineup? He’s also got Buffalo trading Tuch (who they specifically targeted as he’s from there and excited to play for his hometown team), and Copp signing with Van to play on the 3rd line. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 One of the things I like about this is how it affects the team's negotiating leverage with other players. In negotiations the winner is almost always the person who has the best back up plan. It is called a BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement). Agents know this and you hear it in their language. They always say "you also have to consider how important the player is to the team" as something to justify a bigger contract beyond what their pure numbers and comparables would give them. You know Boeser's camp has to know a back up plan has just been put into play for their player. If he wants to be here, the team is able to hold a bit of a harder line on a reasonable number because the back up plan of having an extra top 6 winger with lots of potential now exists. Our back up plan beforehand wasn't nearly as good. Kuzmenko doesn't even have to end up being that in the end, just the option being there changes the dynamic in regards to upcoming negotiations. Beyond that, we can now move out an extra winger as part of a deal. Hoglander or Pearson are more expendable. 6 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) One thing to note. As Alvin and JR continue to show they are capable of making successful moves from positions of weakness (ie moving Hamonic for a 3rd, now signing the most prized non NHL UFA, after a tough season and lots of things still in flux - and lets not underestimate what they just pulled off...its significant given where our team is vs the competition for him)....it sends a STRONG message to the existing players. They say wow, we have real management here now. And maybe things are going to get a hell of alot better really soon, and I love this city...so maybe taking less money isn't so bad. What happens when you're at a great company, with great leadership, and you like who you work with, and enjoy your work? Does money become the top priority? No Money is usually the top priority only for those who are obsessed by it, or who hate where they work and its the only thing keeping them there. Many athletes are the same. Yes some are money obsessed, but many are focused on winning, liking the city they're in and getting paid fairly, but not always to the top dollar. I do believe, this move is going to send a signal to Bo, Miller and Boeser, that, hey trust in us, take a little less, we're going to build the team around you. But you need to take less so we can. These are the types of moves that players get excited about, just as we are, because its sending a signal that management is going to do their job, not just yammer about it. I suspect Bo, Miller and Boeser are probably thinking a bit differently today than they were yesterday. And if so, kudo's to Alvin and JR. Thoroughly impressed by what they've achieved already in such a small window of time. It's making me excited and optimistic again to be a Canucks fan! Famous last words! haha Edited June 20, 2022 by NucknAsia 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Dixon Ward Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, NucknAsia said: Doubt we're getting Tuch and a first for Boeser... Tuch was scoring as at 63 pt pace, is from Syracuse NY (close to Buf) and doesn't want to go anywhere, loves Buffalo, they love him. Even one for one, he's probably worth more than Boeser. Boeser is a year younger and has averaged .79 points per game in more games. He is one of the top 15 RW in the league. Tuch has a .56 points per game. If you think Tuch is worth more than Boeser, you are watching a different sport than me. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jester13 Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 Kuzmenko with Bo and Garland KGB Line Do it, Bruce. 1 16 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, -Vintage Canuck- said: Kuzmenko plays the bumper role very well on the PP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, shiznak said: Because all players coming from the KHL has had successful transactions into the NHL. Gusev and Shipachyov were arguably better players, but never had the success they had playing in the KHL. Shipachyov only played 3 games in the NHL then went back to KHL. Gusev had 44 points in 66 games his first season. He most of had injuries the next two seasons because he only played 20 and 11 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Having seen far more Gusevs than I have Kaprizovs or Panarins I will temper my expectations ala Shirokov as opposed to relegating him to Boesers slot and a confirmed top 6 role For sure, but sure feels good to us win one for once! And its a nice endorsement of our new management team...they are good enough to draw the most coveted non nhl ufa to us despite a rough season and a team still in flux. When you consider how many teams wanted him, its a very nice sign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucknAsia Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said: Boeser is a year younger and has averaged .79 points per game in more games. He is one of the top 15 RW in the league. Tuch has a .56 points per game. If you think Tuch is worth more than Boeser, you are watching a different sport than me. Tuch is a heck of a power forward dude. He can skate and hit, and while Boeser has put up better numbers over his career, he's often hurt and slow. The point was you're not getting Tuch and Buffalo's high first...so no I'm watching the same game, just on earth not mars. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Angry Goose Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Its important to note this is only for 1 year. He’ll get lots of opportunity and if he does well Canucks have first crack at him-but his next contract will no doubt lean heavily on $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: So with Kuzmenko on board now, how do our lines shape up with the current guys? In no particular order: Pods, Petey, Boeser Kuzmenko, Bo, Garland Pearson, Miller, Hogs Who is out? Miller on the 3rd is a slap in the face..Pearson, Garland, Boeser..choose one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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