Coconuts Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I hope it's a pick, I hope it's from someone other than Tampa too. Not interested in helping Tampa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I hope it's a pick, I hope it's from someone other than Tampa too. Not interested in helping Tampa. Would it help if you take into consideration who Tampa's pretty much a lock to play in the first round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mll Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Schenn sent home to protect him as trade asset. What about the others. Does it mean they don't think they'll be able to move anyone else this TDL and think it's more off-season deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 It is weird that I find myself in the don't trade him for just trading sake. I love the idea of accumulating draft picks. More darts to throw it. The board means more chances at quality return and development. Hes the player to use to target the kind of prospect that management spoke of. One that has all the potential but for some reason is not putting it together or is buried in the depth of a deep team. But, at the same time as Canucks fans, we have always had this fantasy of players wanting to play at home in Vancouver. The belief that we can trade them and they will happily return in the off season. Well, I firmly believe Luke is that player. I believe as management you have to approach him and tell him you will only be gone for a couple of months and we will bring you right back no matter what. I believe a handshake agreement with him is not only possible but optimal and an almost guarantee because he genuinely wants to be at home. So it is an interesting scenario because while I don't believe they should just trade him for a third round pick or less. I also do believe that no matter what happens, he will end up back in Vancouver so they should try to maximize any level of return while it is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, mll said: Schenn sent home to protect him as trade asset. What about the others. Does it mean they don't think they'll be able to move anyone else this TDL and think it's more off-season deals. I wonder if it's just that they feel they're very "close" with a deal for Schenn and others not so much? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: Would it help if you take into consideration who Tampa's pretty much a lock to play in the first round? Mixed feelings, I've got Tampa fatigue and I'm tired of seeing them go deep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, -DLC- said: I wonder if it's just that they feel they're very "close" with a deal for Schenn and others not so much? I think so. I wouldn't say that they feel pressure to move him, but I think they feel that he's really the only other guy on our roster who they are on a limited timeframe to turn into a future asset. He's also about the only guy who wouldn't be a hockey trade, player for player, he'll go for a pick because of how low his cap hit is, most contenders can afford to absorb his current contract. Everyone else, Boeser, Miller, Garland etc, all have term left and would require a lot more movement from other clubs to make numbers work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I think this gif, pretty accurately represents what Toronto has left to offer up to try and replace Muzzin before the deadline.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said: I think this gif, pretty accurately represents what Toronto has left to offer up to try and replace Muzzin before the deadline.... I'd take Fraser Minten or Matthew Knies and call it a day, I doubt they move either though https://www.capfriendly.com/players/fraser-minten https://www.capfriendly.com/players/matthew-knies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 53 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Honestly Nate, I am not trading Schenn if it is for just a late 3rd. I think there is more to benefit keeping him at that point. Good will gets seeen around the league, and as players age and become less valuable on the UFA market, players see that a aging players gets treated with respect......that goes along way But, if it is for a 2nd, then players will understand the value of that, and not place any blame on the Canuck management. Even sending Luke home early has it's merits, because these guys talk, and so do the agents,........I think the Canucks have handled this excellently.....and its a win win for them regardless of what happens in the trade front. While I appreciate your opinion, you don't really get a say. If the market is a 3rd, he will get a third, if it's a 2nd, he will get a 2nd. Reality is, Schenn is going to get dealt to the highest bidder. As long as he gets dealt , it is positive on 3 fronts.....We get more draft capital that can be used to either pick a player or use to move up/down, we lose a good D which helps us get a better pick, we get to take a look at 1 extra prospect down the stretch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I'd take Fraser Minten or Matthew Knies and call it a day, I doubt they move either though https://www.capfriendly.com/players/fraser-minten https://www.capfriendly.com/players/matthew-knies Same here, if they will part with them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckFan1123 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: It is weird that I find myself in the don't trade him for just trading sake. I love the idea of accumulating draft picks. More darts to throw it. The board means more chances at quality return and development. Hes the player to use to target the kind of prospect that management spoke of. One that has all the potential but for some reason is not putting it together or is buried in the depth of a deep team. But, at the same time as Canucks fans, we have always had this fantasy of players wanting to play at home in Vancouver. The belief that we can trade them and they will happily return in the off season. Well, I firmly believe Luke is that player. I believe as management you have to approach him and tell him you will only be gone for a couple of months and we will bring you right back no matter what. I believe a handshake agreement with him is not only possible but optimal and an almost guarantee because he genuinely wants to be at home. So it is an interesting scenario because while I don't believe they should just trade him for a third round pick or less. I also do believe that no matter what happens, he will end up back in Vancouver so they should try to maximize any level of return while it is available I’m mixed because on one hand I’m a big time believer in asset management and Schenn is over 30 and a pending UFA on a team that’s not expecting to compete next year which makes it logical to move him. On the other hand I’m a big fan of player loyalty and team loyalty to players. I think Schenn is the happiest he’s been in his career and I can see him eventually wanting to retire with us in a few years. He hasn’t been in Vancouver forever but he’s established himself as an important presence in our organization. He’s a great team guy and a great locker room guy. My hope is we trade him and tell him to go get another cup but have him come back in the offseason. That way you manage your asset and still keep the loyalty. Do things like that happen? Not really. I’m torn but ultimately I think asset management is highly important right now, especially given our fairly weak prospect pool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Schenn to TOR for Niemela straight up? Former 3rd rounder, 20 year old Finnish RD with 32 points in 48 games last year (a bit less this year). Basically a 3rd round pick though so I'd expect a bit more - their current 3rd rounder would be nice too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CanucksJay Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Muttley said: Nice. Hopefully more teams will see their deficiencies quickly before the deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Dont know if TO has anything left to give for Schenn ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Honestly Nate, I am not trading Schenn if it is for just a late 3rd. I think there is more to benefit keeping him at that point. Good will gets seeen around the league, and as players age and become less valuable on the UFA market, players see that a aging players gets treated with respect......that goes along way But, if it is for a 2nd, then players will understand the value of that, and not place any blame on the Canuck management. Even sending Luke home early has it's merits, because these guys talk, and so do the agents,........I think the Canucks have handled this excellently.....and its a win win for them regardless of what happens in the trade front. I'd want a player or late first, at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: I'd want a player or late first, at least. I think a late first is quite unrealistic. However if we can get that I will be your biggest cheerleader haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: I think this gif, pretty accurately represents what Toronto has left to offer up to try and replace Muzzin before the deadline.... I'd take liljegren or sandin back for schenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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