Miller Interview on Delia Incident

[-DLC-]

7 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Whacking the net with the twig was a bit much..it reeks of lost composure. You unnecessarily give away ammo to the hyperactive journos(always circling Cdn waters for a scent of blood). They love ramping up these petty little issues, making their employment more useful/important(at least in their own estimations).

 

You also hand freebie material to opponents, for on-ice, trolling commentary. I don't imagine leaders like EP or BH throwing hissy fits in the panoptican, all-seeing - 24/7 world of today.

 

JTM shouldn't double down here. He oughta apologize to the teammate & quietly play it down in public. Last yr he displayed a lot of talent. Now we're again seeing a side that's perhaps exposing why TBay punted when they did.

I don't agree, at all.

 

He owes no one an apology for wanting to win and, in the dying minutes of a game that's one goal away from being tied, reacting as such. With urgency. There's some pride to be salvaged with this team, who've become a bit of a laughing stock and "easy to play against", etc. I don't mind them showing a bit of fire and tenacity. Oh well, people are talking...it's not like they weren't already. It's a joke how things become such big, blown up "news". It's hockey, it's not a church service.

 

He doesn't do social media or any of this crap...really, not a bad decision when you see how things get twisted and stretched beyond anything reasonable. 

 

It's tiring...all this "stuff" that gets floated around out there when hockey is no longer the focus. Planes. Grocery shopping excursions...it's become very tabloid.

 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

4 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

I don't agree, at all.

 

He owes no one an apology for wanting to win and, in the dying minutes of a game that's one goal away from being tied, reacting as such. With urgency. There's some pride to be salvaged with this team, who've become a bit of a laughing stock and "easy to play against", etc. I don't mind them showing a bit of fire and tenacity. Oh well, people are talking...it's not like they weren't already. It's a joke how things become such big, blown up "news". It's hockey, it's not a church service.

 

He doesn't do social media or any of this crap...really, not a bad decision when you see how things get twisted and stretched beyond anything reasonable. 

 

It's tiring...all this "stuff" that gets floated around out there when hockey is no longer the focus. Planes. Grocery shopping excursions...it's become very tabloid.

 

 

Yeah, it's a fair argument. Have to sympathize with players, being in this tabloid-fodder age. How the guys all feel in the room, IS the main importance.

 

Maybe they use all this as a galvanizing & collective surge into a brilliant 2nd half. That's what I'll hope for.

[Zerofaith]

Would be nice if miller wanted to win so badly he care about winning the other 59mins of the game 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Zerofaith

[-DLC-]

3 minutes ago, Zerofaith said:

Would be nice if miller wanted to win so badly he show up the other 59mins of the game 

Well he's doing his part...he puts up nearly a point per game and is one of the few guys who'll lay out hits. Sure, he has his moments but he usually makes up for them.

 

Ye of zero faith.

[Zerofaith]

3 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Well he's doing his part...he puts up nearly a point per game and is one of the few guys who'll lay out hits. Sure, he has his moments but he usually makes up for them.

 

Ye of zero faith.

-13 +/-

 

[-DLC-]

1 minute ago, Zerofaith said:

-13 +/-

 

Our goaltending and defense haven't been stellar (either)...his job is to score. He's done fairly well at that. But I'm too tired to point out things people should know/keep in context. 

 

[Zerofaith]

10 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Our goaltending and defense haven't been stellar (either)...his job is to score. He's done fairly well at that. But I'm too tired to point out things people should know/keep in context. 

 

8mill guaranteed contract to “just” score.
 

Clearly we have different levels of expectations for what’s considered acceptable performance. 

your  bar is set pretty low it appears. 

[DownUndaCanuck]

I have said in the Miller thread how disgusting this behaviour is - doesn't matter if Delia is in the right or wrong, you don't behave like that to younger players coming up from the farm into a new team - especially after they stand on their head to keep you in the game. How does it make kids feel coming up, like Lockwood who's just been called up? Do you think he feels comfortable coming in, knowing he might have a big scary angry Miller bark at him if he makes a mistake?

 

Dreadful leadership, some might say it's "passion" and playing with "heart", but it's just anger getting the best of him and weak composure like an abusive parent. Meanwhile look at Bo and Petey - they don't scream at their team-mates if they make mistakes, they lead by example. Petey single-handedly wins the game against Seattle, pumps up the crowd after he ties the game - great positive re-enforcement for the whole team and fan base, then goes on to score the shootout winner. Bo takes on McDavid head-to-head and whoops him, scores a couple and wins the game, leads by example. Look at Schenn - the guy doesn't score big goals but throws his body, protects his team-mates and is a leader every where you see him. He would never do something like this, in fact not many players in the NHL would.

 

I don't remember the last time JT Miller was in the head-lines for something good he's done. Last year when he was scoring 2 points per game he was a machine and could do no wrong, but that was about a year ago. He was in the headlines at the start of this year for his sloppy defensive play, then he couldn't play center anymore, now he seems to really be riding the coat-tails of Horvat and not really driving the play himself. He is 87th if points-per-game in the league right now but ranked 34th when it comes to forward's cap hits (or 50th amongst all players including D and goalies). There's a big gulf there. 

[Westcoasting]

1 hour ago, shiznak said:

I think there’s a misconception that Messier was the reason Linden got traded/ran him out of town. When really it was Keenan who orchestrated Linden’s demise in Vancouver. Keenan was the guy who asked Linden to give the captaincy to Messier and Linden agreed to. Messier revealed later on in a Reddit AMA, that the only regret in his hockey career was accepting the captaincy from Linden. 
 

I think most of the Messier hate was because he came from the Rangers, a rival at the time and he was being paid a lot, who did very little. He was the 2nd highest paid player in the entire league at the time, and did absolutely nothing but coast during his time here. 

Just to clarify one point, the captaincy was handed over to Messup before Keenan got here not that it matters.

[Zerofaith]

26 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I have said in the Miller thread how disgusting this behaviour is - doesn't matter if Delia is in the right or wrong, you don't behave like that to younger players coming up from the farm into a new team - especially after they stand on their head to keep you in the game. How does it make kids feel coming up, like Lockwood who's just been called up? Do you think he feels comfortable coming in, knowing he might have a big scary angry Miller bark at him if he makes a mistake?

 

Dreadful leadership, some might say it's "passion" and playing with "heart", but it's just anger getting the best of him and weak composure like an abusive parent. Meanwhile look at Bo and Petey - they don't scream at their team-mates if they make mistakes, they lead by example. Petey single-handedly wins the game against Seattle, pumps up the crowd after he ties the game - great positive re-enforcement for the whole team and fan base, then goes on to score the shootout winner. Bo takes on McDavid head-to-head and whoops him, scores a couple and wins the game, leads by example. Look at Schenn - the guy doesn't score big goals but throws his body, protects his team-mates and is a leader every where you see him. He would never do something like this, in fact not many players in the NHL would.

 

I don't remember the last time JT Miller was in the head-lines for something good he's done. Last year when he was scoring 2 points per game he was a machine and could do no wrong, but that was about a year ago. He was in the headlines at the start of this year for his sloppy defensive play, then he couldn't play center anymore, now he seems to really be riding the coat-tails of Horvat and not really driving the play himself. He is 87th if points-per-game in the league right now but ranked 34th when it comes to forward's cap hits (or 50th amongst all players including D and goalies). There's a big gulf there. 

Well we’ve got him here for a while so he’s got plenty of time to redeem himself. 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Zerofaith

[shiznak]

10 minutes ago, Westcoasting said:

Just to clarify one point, the captaincy was handed over to Messup before Keenan got here not that it matters.

Yeah, you’re right. I thought Keenan came in with Messier that summer. 

[Pears]

4 hours ago, FijianCanuck said:

This guy might make Messier look like a good humble honest man while he was in van. 

Careful, you might tear a tendon reaching like that. 

[Elias Pettersson]

As if 30 pages in the PGT wasn't enough, now this needs its own thread...   

 

Also, comparing Miller to Messier...   

[wai_lai416]

3 hours ago, -DLC- said:

Well he's doing his part...he puts up nearly a point per game and is one of the few guys who'll lay out hits. Sure, he has his moments but he usually makes up for them.

 

Ye of zero faith.

i dunno about doing his part.. he's been invisible the entire month except for a handful of games... his effort level this month have been lackluster

[chon derry]

Posted in gdt thread As well.  his antics are the very reason I’d like to see him traded. Yes he brings offence. He Has some physicality Overall his play is 1 dimensional  watching his interviews which reek of arrogance , and self entitlement, couple that with the on ice antics. His attempt at leadership is failing ,badly.  It’s not hard to see why he’s spurned by a larger portion of the fan base than any of his supporters. And it becomes a little more understandable/believable about the rumours that circulate around him like a dark cloud. No one likes to work/play along side of critical fellow workers/ teammates. Think of players like Shane Doan , Crosby. Linden. Horvat, That list is long, and players on that list go down in history as memorable. These guys always came off as approachable , polite. Class and total professionalism on and off the ice. publicly millers proven overwhelmingly he doesn’t possess any of those proper leadership qualities. All the negative attributes he’s shown at age 30 aren’t something that just happened upon arriving in van. he brought them with him , they are also things that he should have shed or out grown, they are not conducive to success in any way. Like at all !  it needs to be nipped in the bud by either management, himself or both. Or facilitate a trade. Public displays like this are counterproductive. Success requires everyone EVERYONE on the same page. Having one player that sees himself above that is on his own page. And miller is proving it before our eyes. Literally !  I know a thing or 2 about that kind of thing since I too had an attitude at 30 and earlier.(still have)  Mine wasn’t born out the size of my wallet or the size of my head but  my size in general. and could back myself up,which is where mine came from in the first place. Heck I’m 63 and still posses that fearless attitude.but I also learnt how to control it as I aged. (Some what).   the spot light is on him now. But he turned the switch on himself. The contract kicks in next season. If this is any indication of what’s in store That poor on/off ice attitude, comes at a steep price literally and figuratively  Couple these poor attributes with his waning play as time wears on ,which happens to EVERY  player that signs long term , get ready for the biggest controversial ride to go down in canucks history. It will overshadow messier , Neely , Erickkson , linden. Anyone shrugging off  millers antics as unimportant are in denial and have no clue about what their talking about , And will eventually have eat those words. Locker room toxicity is a thing !  And it’s not a thing that lends itself in any positive benefiacial manner. This team in its current state lacks direction and a very real possibility of losing horvat who’s leadership is already under scrutiny  hopefully it falls on Petterson and not miller who’s clearly not qualified in leadership or comradory .  If anybody remembers the collective sigh of relief when Erickson was traded or messier left. It wouldn’t be a stretch to think the same thing happened in Tampa or NY when their fans seen the door hit him on his way out. Factoring in Horvats current situation the question and answer for me is crytstal clear as to who’s more valuable to the Canucks Org and its fans. If the Canucks lose Horvat and miller stays that will go over like a lead ballon. Millers The one that has  TO GO! 

Edited December 31, 2022 by chon derry

[spook007]

6 hours ago, JamesB said:

Like I don’t care about this at all. I only care about the guys in the room and my coaches and my teammates. It’s all I care about, and I didn’t even know it was a thing until today.”

Well I think he states it clearly here, that he cares about the room and his team mates...

In fact its all he cares about. 

 

Delia is part of both, so just because he doesn't stand in the street with a 'shame on you' sign around his neck, doesn't mean its not all good. 
 

There may be divided opinions about the incident and the severity of it, but to me at least, he said the right thing. 
 

if management think there is anything to deal with, I'm sure they have already...

[FijianCanuck]

4 hours ago, Zerofaith said:

-13 +/-

 

[chon derry]

5 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Whacking the net with the twig was a bit much..it reeks of lost composure. You unnecessarily give away ammo to the hyperactive journos(always circling Cdn waters for a scent of blood). They love ramping up these petty little issues, making their employment more useful/important(at least in their own estimations).

 

You also hand freebie material to opponents, for on-ice, trolling commentary. I don't imagine leaders like EP or BH throwing hissy fits in the panoptican, all-seeing - 24/7 world of today.

 

JTM shouldn't double down here. He oughta apologize to the teammate & quietly play it down in public. Last yr he displayed a lot of talent. Now we're again seeing a side that's perhaps exposing why TBay punted when they did.

Exactly. Humiliating your fellow teammate on home ice contains it ….somewhat. Doing it in another Canadian market is another thing. Thank god it wasn’t toronto. There’s a pattern starting  and he needs to grow out of no matter who he’s playing for or where he plays at home or on the road. 

[DrJockitch]

Naslund and Bertuzzi were absolute critical a-holes to each other. 
Jonathen Toews is notoriously prickly.

‘Nathan MacKinnon is a controlling jerk to his teammates. 
‘Michael Jordan was notoriously cranky with teammates. 
 

Fans need stuff to talk about when they have a middling team that is going nowhere. 

[stawns]

5 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I have said in the Miller thread how disgusting this behaviour is - doesn't matter if Delia is in the right or wrong, you don't behave like that to younger players coming up from the farm into a new team - especially after they stand on their head to keep you in the game. How does it make kids feel coming up, like Lockwood who's just been called up? Do you think he feels comfortable coming in, knowing he might have a big scary angry Miller bark at him if he makes a mistake?

 

Dreadful leadership, some might say it's "passion" and playing with "heart", but it's just anger getting the best of him and weak composure like an abusive parent. Meanwhile look at Bo and Petey - they don't scream at their team-mates if they make mistakes, they lead by example. Petey single-handedly wins the game against Seattle, pumps up the crowd after he ties the game - great positive re-enforcement for the whole team and fan base, then goes on to score the shootout winner. Bo takes on McDavid head-to-head and whoops him, scores a couple and wins the game, leads by example. Look at Schenn - the guy doesn't score big goals but throws his body, protects his team-mates and is a leader every where you see him. He would never do something like this, in fact not many players in the NHL would.

 

I don't remember the last time JT Miller was in the head-lines for something good he's done. Last year when he was scoring 2 points per game he was a machine and could do no wrong, but that was about a year ago. He was in the headlines at the start of this year for his sloppy defensive play, then he couldn't play center anymore, now he seems to really be riding the coat-tails of Horvat and not really driving the play himself. He is 87th if points-per-game in the league right now but ranked 34th when it comes to forward's cap hits (or 50th amongst all players including D and goalies). There's a big gulf there. 

Delia was 100% in the right, incidentally