HKSR Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, shiznak said: Who cares if they move up 12 draft spots. The Rangers are trying to win NOW. Whoever they pick at 11th wouldn’t come in and help them in anyway. Not to mention adding Boeser mean they are add another 2m+ in cap, plus they still need to re-sign Bear. They’re actually bring in upwards of 5m in cap. Just to get rid of Goodrow and move up 12 spots. I wasn't talking about whether or not the 11th OA could help them immediately or not. I was merely indicating that the VALUE of the transactions are not as far apart as some people are stating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: PTO, eh? I hear Lucic will skate for one of those two. Imagine him and Reaves as fourth line thugs centered by Joshua. Lucic Joshua Reaves Petey will never get touched again... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Lucic Joshua Reaves Petey will never get touched again... Our PK needs to get fixed first LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Just now, LegionOfDoom said: Our PK needs to get fixed first LOL That line is the new Legion of Doom. We won't need a PK unit if the other team refuses to show up... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Petey will never get touched again... Yes he would. The whole 'deterrent' idea has become unworkable in todays game. Just leads to manpower advantages for the other team. No rat of today is worried about taking a couple of gloved shots from Lucic, when they get paid good money to be a rat. And if Lucic drops the gloves first, it becomes an aggressor penalty, and if Lucic drops the gloves on a player not fighting back Lucic gets a multi game suspension, and the rat is back on ice for the next game, to do the dirty work to the next star. The only thing that stops a rat, is that team's star players. Nobody would go after Petey, if they knew the Canuck response would be to spear, slash, hack, wack and drive the opposing stars head through the boards. Those are the players this team needs. The guy that skates past the opponents star and says "Either leash your rat, or get ready to deal with me." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Lucic Joshua Reaves Petey will never get touched again... Based on a line that will be on the ice for 6-8 minutes a game and almost always against the other team’s 4th line? Never mind the fact that they aren’t fast enough to catch anyone they might want to fight. The end game of something like this is the other team trying to line match with their good players and score goals at will while avoiding any rough stuff. It just happily take the man advantage all the time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: Yes he would. The whole 'deterrent' idea has become unworkable in todays game. Just leads to manpower advantages for the other team. If only one player is penalized during a fight. 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: No rat of today is worried about taking a couple of gloved shots from Lucic, when they get paid good money to be a rat. I think they're far more concerned about an open ice hit from players like Lucic. 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: And if Lucic drops the gloves first, it becomes an aggressor penalty, and if Lucic drops the gloves on a player not fighting back Lucic gets a multi game suspension, and the rat is back on ice for the next game, to do the dirty work to the next star. How often has Lucic, Reaves, Gudbranson or any of more feared players in the game done this in the last 5 years? Not often. Most fights I've seen from them are mutual, with the scrap between Wilson and Gudbranson being one I can remember where Wilson essentially mugged Guddy and was handed his ass. 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: The only thing that stops a rat, is that team's star players. Or any player willing to lay them out with a clean but brutally hard hit. Star players are often the targets of rats, and scoring on the powerplay is great revenge, but not if the rat's actions result in injury 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: Nobody would go after Petey, if they knew the Canuck response would be to spear, slash, hack, wack and drive the opposing stars head through the boards. And who would spear, slash, hack and whack at the rat? Star player or role player? 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: Those are the players this team needs. The guy that skates past the opponents star and says "Either leash your rat, or get ready to deal with me." That sounds like a Lucic or Reaves to a tee. Joshua has been pretty solid in that regard too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky-Winky Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Lucic Joshua Reaves Petey will never get touched again... Totally take lucic if he takes less money, end his career a canucks since he was born in vancouver, BC would give added toughness, and he ddint look to bad in world hockey this year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 7 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: How did Reaves make it on to the fourth line? Practicing cheap shots on teammates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 7 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: PTO, eh? I hear Lucic will skate for one of those two. Imagine him and Reaves as fourth line thugs centered by Joshua. Guarantee hawks go after luc or reeves to protect berard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 On 5/25/2023 at 6:41 PM, Elias Pettersson said: I still think our best deal this summer is with NY Rangers. They are desperate to win and have assets we can use. To Vancouver: 2023 23OA pick Alexis Lafreniere Braden Schneider Barclay Goodrow To NY Rangers: 2023 11OA pick Brock Boeser Ethan Bear Nils Hoglander Trade Beauvillier to Chicago, sign Barbashev, Gavrikov and Schenn and we are good to go... Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev Lafreniere Miller Garland Barbashev Goodrow Podkolzin Joshua Aman Reaves PDG Hughes Schneider Gavrikov Hronek OEL Myers Hirose Schenn Demko Martin Pearson/Poolman LTIR $86.5 million baby... Rangers never make that deal.. Giving up Schneider 21 RD 6'2 Never never,, This deal might happen in NHL 2022 video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Lucic Joshua Reaves Petey will never get touched again... No ones scared of joshua though. And hes not a centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 11 hours ago, HKSR said: In fairness, don't forget about NYR moving from 23OA to 11OA. That would normally be a cost of 23OA, a 2nd round pick, and possibly a 3rd or 4th round pick to move up 12 spots in the 1st round and almost into Top 10 territory in this deep draft. So really, it'd be like saying: To VAN 23OA 2nd round pick 3rd round pick To NYR 11OA So then... To VAN Lafreniere To NYR Boeser 2nd round pick and finally... To VAN Schneider Goodrow To NYR Hoglander Bear 3rd Not QUITE as lopsided when you look at it like that... No gm in their right mind is making that trade. No one wants boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 7 hours ago, shiznak said: Who cares if they move up 12 draft spots. The Rangers are trying to win NOW. Whoever they pick at 11th wouldn’t come in and help them in anyway. Not to mention adding Boeser mean they are add another 2m+ in cap, plus they still need to re-sign Bear. They’re actually bring in upwards of 5m in cap. Just to get rid of Goodrow and move up 12 spots. Boeser cant even help us win- hows he going to help NYR win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Boeser cant even help us win- hows he going to help NYR win? I find Brock to be a classic case of bounce back years. I'm willing to bet that he's going to have a bounce back year next season either with us or with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, EddieVedder said: Guarantee hawks go after luc or reeves to protect berard You’re probably right on the money, but I’ll dream of a speedy, aggressive Canucks team that has meat grinding capabilities on the fourth line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, HKSR said: I wasn't talking about whether or not the 11th OA could help them immediately or not. I was merely indicating that the VALUE of the transactions are not as far apart as some people are stating. Lafreniere does not equal to Boeser and a second. Patrick Nolan, who been label as a bust and was damaged goods, was traded for Ellis, who was Nashville’s second best defensemen. Then later Vegas’ best prospect, in Glass. You can’t say Patrick has had the better resume than Lafreniere. Edited May 27, 2023 by shiznak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, shiznak said: Lafreniere does not equal to Boeser and a second. Patrick Nolan, who been label as a bust and was damaged goods, was traded for Ellis, who was Nashville’s second best defensemen. Then later Vegas’ best prospect, in Glass. You can’t say Patrick has had the better resume than Lafreniere. Glass is a complete bust. So is Nolan. Bad trades. Laff, if he can't get his game going soon, is going to head that way as well. He needs a fresh start, I think. Brock also needs a fresh start, though, I suspect he might just get one even if he's not traded. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 9 hours ago, Gurn said: Yes he would. The whole 'deterrent' idea has become unworkable in todays game. Just leads to manpower advantages for the other team. No rat of today is worried about taking a couple of gloved shots from Lucic, when they get paid good money to be a rat. And if Lucic drops the gloves first, it becomes an aggressor penalty, and if Lucic drops the gloves on a player not fighting back Lucic gets a multi game suspension, and the rat is back on ice for the next game, to do the dirty work to the next star. The only thing that stops a rat, is that team's star players. Nobody would go after Petey, if they knew the Canuck response would be to spear, slash, hack, wack and drive the opposing stars head through the boards. Those are the players this team needs. The guy that skates past the opponents star and says "Either leash your rat, or get ready to deal with me." That’s why I was really disappointed when we lost Kole Lind to the expansion draft. That guy was an Alex Burrows in the making. Huge pest that can play and throw other teams off. Lind was a player I had followed extensively since junior as I really thought he was a very unique player and something this team needed. I prefer pests that can actually play. Not Roussel, Hathaway or Maroon types where all they do is bark but can’t back shit up with the play. Guys like Bertuzzi, Bunting, Cirelli, Kane, Frederic, Bennett, Fiala…. those types of guys where they whack, jab, slash, face wash, and screw around until they’re able to draw a penalty and are back the next shift trying to score a goal. If this team had 4 or 5 JT Miller’s and 2 or 3 more Luke Schenn’s on the back end, we’d be competing for the cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Edit Edited May 27, 2023 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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