(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller

[mll]

4 hours ago, Coconuts said:

I'd be interested in the 3OA if it were actually available 

 

If it is you think they'd want the 11 and some semblance of futures and present, so something akin to what you mentioned 

 

JT's an Ohio boy despite having grown up a Pens fan, who knows 

 

Sure looks like they should have ponied up now, they're as solid a defensive team and their tenders haven't let them down, they just can't score 

 

KK could be a player yet but he's not what you want at 2C on a contender, they should have ponied up for Miller instead of sitting on the fence 

 

Ghost was a solid pick but Puljujari doesn't move the needle up front 

 

Hoping so, JT Compher, Ryan O'Reilly, Sean Monahan (as a buy low), Max Domi, Erik Haula, and maybe Jonathan Droin round up your likelier top six center options via UFA

Boston, Toronto, NYR among the teams that ponied up and that didn't get them any further.  Florida didn't even make a move and are 1 game from the finals. 

 

Aho, Necas, Jarvis, Pesce, Skjei are all up next year + Slavin a year later - all core players.  Waddelll told Russo they didn't want to add anyone with term beyond a year because they need to extend their core and don't want to risk not being in position to do so.  They tried Meier (even made it known they would let him play on his 10M QO rather than look for an extension) and were then apparently looking at Lindholm out of Calgary per Russo. 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

6 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

the only piece that I could I could imagine CBJ might be interested in that Alvin would be willing to part with is JT

If Columbus is moving the 3OA to Vancouver the only player they’d be interested in is Petey…

[qwijibo]

3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If Columbus is moving the 3OA to Vancouver the only player they’d be interested in is Petey…

I’d think they’d be more interested in Hughes (only because of Pettersson’s contract status). Regardless, they aren’t moving that pick 

[stawns]

6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If Columbus is moving the 3OA to Vancouver the only player they’d be interested in is Petey…

Or Hughes, or Demko.  Agreed that they wouldn't be looking at Miller

[stawns]

11 hours ago, mll said:

Boston, Toronto, NYR among the teams that ponied up and that didn't get them any further.  Florida didn't even make a move and are 1 game from the finals. 

 

Aho, Necas, Jarvis, Pesce, Skjei are all up next year + Slavin a year later - all core players.  Waddelll told Russo they didn't want to add anyone with term beyond a year because they need to extend their core and don't want to risk not being in position to do so.  They tried Meier (even made it known they would let him play on his 10M QO rather than look for an extension) and were then apparently looking at Lindholm out of Calgary per Russo. 

 

They have a closing window for this group........Miller would be a huge add for that group.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, mll said:

Boston, Toronto, NYR among the teams that ponied up and that didn't get them any further.  Florida didn't even make a move and are 1 game from the finals. 

 

Aho, Necas, Jarvis, Pesce, Skjei are all up next year + Slavin a year later - all core players.  Waddelll told Russo they didn't want to add anyone with term beyond a year because they need to extend their core and don't want to risk not being in position to do so.  They tried Meier (even made it known they would let him play on his 10M QO rather than look for an extension) and were then apparently looking at Lindholm out of Calgary per Russo. 

 

Hang on a sec.... 

 

Florida has moved out three consecutive 1st round picks, haven't they? 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

They have a closing window for this group........Miller would be a huge add for that group.

Yeah, Carolina is close to being the next Winnipeg.  

 

Teams that had a window but played it too safe. 

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

Or Hughes, or Demko.  Agreed that they wouldn't be looking at Miller

They wouldn’t be trading Leo Carlsson for Demko. And they have several young Dmen on the roster. They just drafted David Jiricek last ytar with a top 6 pick. 
 

The team only guy they would want is Petey in return for that pick which helps them get a superstar centre right away versus waiting 3-4 years for Carlsson to develop into a similar player to Petey. 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[HKSR]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

They wouldn’t be trading Leo Carlsson for Demko. And they have several young Dmen on the roster. They just drafted David Jiricek last ytar with a top 6 pick. 
 

The team only guy they would want is Petey in return for that pick which helps them get a superstar centre right away versus waiting 3-4 years for Carlsson to develop into a similar player to Petey. 

Imagine a world in which this happens:

 

To CLB:

Pettersson

 

To VAN:

3rd OA

Corson Ceulemans

2nd round pick

[mll]

3 hours ago, stawns said:

They have a closing window for this group........Miller would be a huge add for that group.

Dundon, their owner says he doesn't want to mortgage the future for the now.  He says they play hockey today but want to play tomorrow and the day after.   They seem to be trying to build an infinite window.  

 

Dundon seems to be looking at it like a business.  I don't even think he grew up a hockey fan and he wasn't even planning on relocating to Carolina from Texas.  It's probably more profitable to regularly get into the post-season vs going all in and then have to rebuild.  

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by mll

[BCNate]

15 hours ago, qwijibo said:

Why would a rebuilding team give up a minimum of 7 years of team control on what’s expected to be a franchise C for a 30 year old with a huge contract that pays him until he’s 38? 

Columbus isn't rebuilding, like us they just suck.  

[mll]

13 minutes ago, BCNate said:

Columbus isn't rebuilding, like us they just suck.  

They are rebuilding.  They announced their change of direction when they traded Jones.  They call it a reset - not a full tear down/tank rebuild.  

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by mll

[mordekai]

59 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Imagine a world in which this happens:

 

To CLB:

Pettersson

 

To VAN:

3rd OA

Corson Ceulemans

2nd round pick

I would stop being a Canucks fan if this came through. 
Petey is a bonafide superstar. Lock and guarantee 

none of those 3 returning are locked to be anything 

Leo Carlsson can turn out to be the next puljarvi or Nolan Patrick same goes with Corson and a second rounder

[stawns]

1 hour ago, mll said:

Dundon, their owner says he doesn't want to mortgage the future for the now.  He says they play hockey today but want to play tomorrow and the day after.   They seem to be trying to build an infinite window.  

 

Dundon seems to be looking at it like a business.  I don't even think he grew up a hockey fan and he wasn't even planning on relocating to Carolina from Texas.  It's probably more profitable to regularly get into the post-season vs going all in and then have to rebuild.  

 

moving Kotkaniemi (plus) for Miller is a good move for both sides.  They've got 2, maybe three more cracks at it before that group breaks up and Miller would be a major help for that timeline.

Edited May 24, 2023 by stawns

[Warhippy]

17 hours ago, qwijibo said:

Why would a rebuilding team give up a minimum of 7 years of team control on what’s expected to be a franchise C for a 30 year old with a huge contract that pays him until he’s 38? 

How is Columbus rebuilding though?

 

A forward core of Roslovic, Laine, Gaudreau, Jenner, Johnson, Bemstrom, Sillinger and Marchenko is not rebuilding.  When you add in a blue line of Werenski (injured all year) Bean (injured most of the year) Peeke and Boqvist with prospects on the blueline including Mateychuk, Jiricek and Cuelemans.  Almost ALL of them, barring two under the age of 26 who will be adding an additional 3rd overall which could be Carlsson or Fantilli they're not exactly rebuilding, they just had a horrible spate of injuries and zero chemistry coupled with questionably bad coaching and goaltending with injuries to Elvis Merzilikins and Gillies.  This is without mentioning the fact they're one of the top 6 youngest teams in the entire league.

 

They're not rebuilding my dude.  They're ready to take the next step and should have this year except nothing worked out for them.

 

By comparison, Vancouver is closer to rebuilding than Columbus.  Anaheim or Chicago is rebuilding.  Ottawa is almost done a rebuild.  Montreal is rebuilding.  Columbus with all that youth and depth only has one issue and that is cap space.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Warhippy

[qwijibo]

14 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

How is Columbus rebuilding though?

 

A forward core of Roslovic, Laine, Gaudreau, Jenner, Johnson, Bemstrom, Sillinger and Marchenko is not rebuilding.  When you add in a blue line of Werenski (injured all year) Bean (injured most of the year) Peeke and Boqvist with prospects on the blueline including Mateychuk, Jiricek and Cuelemans.  Almost ALL of them, barring two under the age of 26 who will be adding an additional 3rd overall which could be Carlsson or Fantilli they're not exactly rebuilding, they just had a horrible spate of injuries and zero chemistry coupled with questionably bad coaching and goaltending with injuries to Elvis Merzilikins and Gillies.  This is without mentioning the fact they're one of the top 6 youngest teams in the entire league.

 

They're not rebuilding my dude.  They're ready to take the next step and should have this year except nothing worked out for them.

 

By comparison, Vancouver is closer to rebuilding than Columbus.  Anaheim or Chicago is rebuilding.  Ottawa is almost done a rebuild.  Montreal is rebuilding.  Columbus with all that youth and depth only has one issue and that is cap space.

However you want to look at it. Columbus isn’t going to move 3rd OA in this years draft for a great 30 year old with what will be an albatross of a contract in a few years.  Carlsson (or whoever they pick out of the top 3 left after Chicago and Anaheim take Bedard Fantilli 1/2 is too valuable an asset in todays cap world 

[Warhippy]

4 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

However you want to look at it. Columbus isn’t going to move 3rd OA in this years draft for a great 30 year old with what will be an albatross of a contract in a few years.  Carlsson (or whoever they pick out of the top 3 left after Chicago and Anaheim take Bedard Fantilli 1/2 is too valuable an asset in todays cap world 

I never suggested they would.  I just don't understand why people think they are a team that is rebuilding.

 

I am looking at them the same way I did tampa or Colorado.  Got some amazingly high picks, underachieved had one or two incredibly bad years afterwards and then look at them now.  Colorado did poorly from 2008 ish through 2014.  Had a bump year or two then floundered got makar and the byram pick thanks to Ottawa and there ya go.  Tampa did the same with some high picks, floundered got hedman and vasilevski and there ya go.

 

I see CBJ as being no different.  they have an INSANE amount of talent on that roster to not take the next step while adding what would arguably be a 1st OA pick between Fantilli or Carlsson in most years.

[Coconuts]

2 hours ago, mll said:

Dundon, their owner says he doesn't want to mortgage the future for the now.  He says they play hockey today but want to play tomorrow and the day after.   They seem to be trying to build an infinite window.  

 

Dundon seems to be looking at it like a business.  I don't even think he grew up a hockey fan and he wasn't even planning on relocating to Carolina from Texas.  It's probably more profitable to regularly get into the post-season vs going all in and then have to rebuild.  

 

Great in theory but sooner or later you've got to consider shitting or getting off the pot so to speak. Carolina have been contenders for a while, it could be worthwhile to actually go for it. A lack of firepower is why they're down 3-0 right now in the conference final. 

 

They've got a disciplined group who can play excellent defense but they struggle to score. They put a lot of shots on net but they were a middle of the road team offensively during the regular season and their powerplay was a bit less than middling, being tied for 19th. 

 

That being said, I understand the allure of trying to have a lengthy competitive window. Carolina just hasn't shown itself to have the guns up front to break through though. Maybe Dundon will consider his stance if their playoff exits continue. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Coconuts

[Junkyard Dog]

I think given what route we decided to take we are not gonna be trading Miller. 
 

It would have to take a deal that would make us a better team now and moving forward and I am not sure such a deal exists for Miller. He’s a good player but not a super valuable one like a Petey/Hughes, especially with a long term contract that takes him to his late 30s.