spook007 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 hours ago, N4ZZY said: and these guys could have all been Canucks. Now they won't be. This move for Hronek isn't a long term move, it's a short sighted move for sure. Well they still can.... if management think they are worth it.... or did we suddenly lose out 1st round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I haven't watched Hronek enough to know whether he's the first pairing D with a complete game as the optimists assert or the middle pairing D who can't really defend that the pessimists maintain. It will all depend on how he fits in here in any case. Who his partner is, whether Tocchet can get our forwards to support the D better, are really going to matter. But I trust that our pro scouting on this guy has been solid enough to warrant taking the chance. He certainly has the mobility and the shot. If we're going to put a team together around Pettersson and Hughes in their primes, moves like this are unavoidable, whether or not they actually work. Our D has been absolutely horrendous and fixing it is going to cost. The good new is that getting defense-first partners for Hughes and Hronek will be cheaper. I can see D-Petey paired with Hronek in a couple of years. Big picture is that lots of teams are retooling on the fly like us, making one big move like we did with Horvat to get assets, and then converting them into what they need now. That trade was a home run for us and I'll take Horvat and a second for Beauvillier, Raty and Hronek every day of the week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, combover said: Vancouver Canucks - the bottom feeding buyers club their not only a member they’re the president !! Rinse and repeat over and over and you might feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 hours ago, DefCon1 said: Hronek is 25 yrs old. Is pretty young and same age group as Kuzmenko, Pettersson, Hughes, Demko etc. I think we are surrounding our young core with similar age players. It won't make sense to draft a D which will take minimum 2 to 3 years to develop which by that time our core would be 3 years older. A forward top 5 pick could very well make the team in a year or right from the year they got drafted if he is very talented. Even that is very optimistic... to be able to have a meaningful impact add another 2-3 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) I'd bet he's going to anchor the 2nd pair. Probably going to go back to the gold star route and somehow sign gavrikov in UFA to a 3 year deal. Without looking I'm assuming he's a ufa.. lol Hughes-livingstone Gavrikov-hronek OEL-Bear Schenn Should add I really wouldn't doubt they opt to do the dumb thing of buyout OEL this summer lol Edited March 2, 2023 by Mustard Tiger Added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crabcakes Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 Love this trade. This is not adding the Chaos Giraffe, this is an actual top 4 RHD which is something the club has been looking to add since Bieksa retired. 1. Is this a rebuild? Management says no. It's building upon a small core of players. 1C (Pettersson, 24), 1 LHD (Hughes, 23), Goalie (Demko, 27) 2. What I was most disappointed about the Horvat trade was the the return didn't address the single most pressing need of the club which is a top 4 RHD. Well maybe this couldn't be achieved in 1 step. So Allvin has done it in 2 steps. The return on Horvat is now a top 4 RHD (Hronek, 25), a young prospect Centre (Raty, 20) and a top 6 RW (Beauvillier, 25) and they had to add a 2nd round pick. Yes, the price is high, but good players cost. Cudo's to Allvin. This is a great result. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Kings Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, combover said: Kesler - for Sbisa Bonino and a 1st 1st flipped for rhd not so Gud huh horvat for rat beau 1st 1st flipped for rhd Worked out so well last time. Actually Ratu (who is a 2nd rd pick) cancels out the Canucks' 2023 2nd rd pick , so... It's Horvat for Hronek and Beauvillier and a 4th. Edited March 2, 2023 by The King of Kings 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: 115 pages and we traded the NYI pick, which could be at 18. I wonder how many pages we would get if JR traded our own 1st round pick? If we traded our own first, they would literally need 24 hour protection. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 hours ago, TripleSedins said: Hockey players have 10 good years, 20 - 30 they are all *&^*&^ young haha. 1.Is the player skilled enough 2.Will he fit with your team 3. What is his cap hit 4. Does he factor into your timeline (this should be the only credit to age yet it seems overvalued in the league, (perhaps pace and injuries are a factor for aging players?) 20-30??? Most hockey players are just starting to get into the league after 20... where do you have those numbers from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: I'd bet he's going to anchor the 2nd pair. Probably going to go back to the gold star route and somehow sign gavrikov in UFA to a 3 year deal. Without looking I'm assuming he's a ufa.. lol Hughes-livingstone Gavrikov-hronek OEL-Bear Schenn Should add I really wouldn't doubt they opt to do the dumb thing of buyout OEL this summer lol Yes, Hronek won't be playing with Hughes. He has plenty of offensive ability so will anchor his own pair. I've heard he is more of a 2-way player than Hughes; more defensively responsible 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, spook007 said: 20-30??? Most hockey players are just starting to get into the league after 20... where do you have those numbers from? 23-33 would be more accurate. 10 good years on a good player who doesn't suffer a terrible injury 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, spook007 said: 20-30??? Most hockey players are just starting to get into the league after 20... where do you have those numbers from? I would say most players are in their prime from 27 to 32. 20-25 they are usually developing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Crabcakes said: 23-33 would be more accurate. 10 good years on a good player who doesn't suffer a terrible injury That's what I would have thought as well... or at least in that ball park... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategal Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Not crazy about the trade but understand it - we have some top end talent with Hughes, Pettersson, Demko who are all in their prime. Lets not waste that and go full rebuild where we have to wait 3 - 5+ years for draft picks to develop. The time to go rebuild was 5 years ago, we missed that window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I woke up. With a sobering thought... How does he relate to his draft class? I have an issue with trading a 13-17 pick as we might have drafted a franchise D man.... Hronek drafted 53rd overall in 2017.... A) Was he a diamond in the rough? How are other d men drafted ahead of him doing? For instance Petey was drafted 5 OA but he'd go 2 OA in a redraft after Makar. Where would Hronek be? In 2016 13-18th pick- Bean, McAvoy, Chychrun, Fabbro Stanley Foote, Valimaki, Lilejgren was 14-17 in 2017 Would we rather have these types of players than Hronek? This helps me decide whether we made a terrible move or not. For a contending team, this trade makes more sense. Does it for us though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Screw said: I would say most players are in their prime from 27 to 32. 20-25 they are usually developing. Yes, or in that ball park.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, CanucksJay said: I am confident Ratys floor is a 3c. Miller needs to make better decisions with the puck and his play without the puck needs to improve for him to be a 2c on a contending calibre team. Great news is that he's starting to turn it around and I'm seeing much better 2 way play So then does that mean we just have 1 Top 4D left? I wonder if the plan is to play Hughes with a decent d man (not a star) on the right side(Severson) and then do the reverse on the 2nd pairing with Hronek being paired with a reliable LD (OEL) and have those 4 log big minutes That may work? That sounds right. Millers best year was when he was deployed as our 2nd line center behind Petey. Before he was injured, his game was looking good without Horvat and with Tocchet. I see that continuing next year as Tocchet/ Miller seem to have striked up a good arrangement. The 7.2 Million dollar questions is can OEL have a bounce back year in 23-24 like last year. If healthy and with a bonafide top 4 RD that will do the offensive work I believe he can. The buyout as absolutely ugly so any way to avoid would be best. Raty hopefully will be that 3C , just not sure about next year but he certainly has the potential and is working hard at his faceoffs which will be key. Still lotsa work to do! Edited March 2, 2023 by nuck-lifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Including Hronek 2 but Ottawa is in a better position than us from a prospect and team building perspective. I wouldn't say that Ottawa has zero chance....5 points back of the Pens, but only 6 behind the Isles, who have played 4 more games. Other than that, they trail 3 other teams by only 2 points and have games in hand over 2 of them.... https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/standings_wildcard.asp Edited March 2, 2023 by RUPERTKBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HorvatToBaertschi Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 Everybody wants to rebuild and keep Pettersson and Hughes. They are mutually exclusive plans. Pettersson is the best center we've ever had and Hughes the best Dman. We can't give that up. Getting Hronek is a solid start to a re-tool, and many chips are yet to fall. We address our biggest need, while building around Pettersson Hughes and Demko. This is an extremely good move. The price was interesting, but draft picks aren't gonna do shit for Pettersson Hughes and Demko. 1 4 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I'm looking forward to having 2 dmen out on the powerplay so we can stop bleeding short handed goals.... next year of course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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