Timråfan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, combover said: your plans to keep them and keep doing what we’re doing lolololol because that’s working. Remind me what’s out position in the standings. hoping two players make us a cup contender not even a full top line hahahahhahaha. We’ll be lucky to make the playoff before EP turn 30 at this rate. but I’m sure he’ll stick around it sure is entertaining. You’ve definately missed all the players added. We are only two young defence prospects away from division finals, wich we already have cooking. Then we can add players during a five year span that build the team stronger with a possible cup final in sight. So go ahead and switch team if you want to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, elvis15 said: I don't know. As much as he's a RHD who fits the age group, I expected we'd look to solidify the defensive side rather than try to add another offensive defenceman. More than that, I thought we'd use our surplus of wingers to do it. Don't hate it, but was really looking forward to the extra picks in this draft, especially the two 1sts. The organization doesn't care what fans want. They just have to listen to ownership and ownership has always tried to cut corners and win now. Surprise, surprise it's never worked. Aquilini: Let's try again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleSedins Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Slick and Savy GM work by Detroit you cannot argue they didn't get the most for the player. I think it's a hockey trade given the current market. A few points to consider: 1.Not pulling the trigger on Hronek likely means losing that player to another team 2. Not many RHD available in the first two rounds 3. We have other players to move for picks 4. Canucks fans don't like trades where there isn't a clear cut winner. Two savy GM's went head to head and Detroit timed it perfectly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: IMO they also made this trade because they feel Hronek is better than any defenseman they would target between pick 13 to 15 or so. Consensus is it will be forward heavy the first 15 picks....they probably like Hronek more than the guys in that range. Pretty much a given we are going forward with our first pick. I agree with your post.. Also the player they pick this summer with NYI pick would take how many years before player can play in the NHL?? Petey is 24 and if you draft a player this year good chance it will be at least 3-- 5 years before there NHL ready? I think Vancouver will make another big trade by Friday... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Yes and when did a Stanley cup contender ever win with just two players? This team doesn't have enough prospects to fill holes when someone has an injury. We get a significant injury who is going to come up and fill those holes? The great teams have those options. We just can't stand having multiple picks. We just have to get rid of them in a win now mode which has shown to be a complete failure. We have three to 4 prospect next year that will get a good look. Our tank isn't empty just not near full yet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Don’t wanna see Bear or OEL on the roster next season. No offense to Bear but he’s a redundant player now. We need D men with size and a strong defensive game to balance out the D. I guess I agree but I think even this is overly ambitious. Bear is, at least, a serviceable nhl defender at a position that’s hard to fill. OEL needs a guy who can move and regarding him: I also don’t want to buy out OEL until he’s the last thing between us and being a contender just to minimize dead cap years. But yeah, ultimate wish list it’s: Hughes-stay at home RHd stay at home lhd - Hronek Maybe Rathbone?-Livingstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, J-23 said: Not awful, but ya still needs work. If we re-sign Schenn, I probably think it’s time to move on from Baer. I think he’s a bottom 2 defenceman, likeable guy though. Wonder of with the Hronek addition, they look into moving Bear this deadline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Don’t wanna see Bear or OEL on the roster next season. No offense to Bear but he’s a redundant player now. We need D men with size and a strong defensive game to balance out the D. How are they getting rid of oel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, ilduce39 said: I guess I agree but I think even this is overly ambitious. Bear is, at least, a serviceable nhl defender at a position that’s hard to fill. OEL needs a guy who can move and regarding him: I also don’t want to buy out OEL until he’s the last thing between us and being a contender just to minimize dead cap years. But yeah, ultimate wish list it’s: Hughes-stay at home RHd stay at home lhd - Hronek Maybe Rathbone?-Livingstone Too many smurfs. Gotta move Rathbone imho 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Petey and Hughes won't be around for your 10 year rebuild. So how do you propose to replace them? Ive been to the future ,2033. Bo comes back after losing for 10 years on the island. Petey and boeser keep in contact and wait for bo to get his first cup and their fifth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doxm Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 Man, I love this team.. but I absolutely fking hate our fans. wE nEeD a ToP 4 rHd. Get a top 4 RHD. WhY tHe Fu*K DiD wE gEt A dMaN tHaT sUcKs. You guys are ridiculous. Management has said from the fking GET GO that they were RETOOLING and not REBUILDING. If you thought just because they traded Horvat for a 1st + a prospect that we were all of a sudden rebuilding, you're lost. We have the right pieces to build around. A STUD of a C in Pettersson, a STUD of a #1 D in Hughes, and an ELITE goalie in Demko. We have Kuzmenko, Beauvillier, Mikheyev, Miller upfront with Podz/Hog/Kravtsov/Raty who are young & upcoming. That's a solid top 9 if you ask me. Our D is easily the weakest point we have Hughes/Hronek/OEL/Myers. They have the rest of the TDL + offseason to figure it out. Most likely Boeser & Myers get traded with a possibilty of Garland being moved as well. OEL likely gets bought out. Allvin & Rutherford know what they're doing. Let them figure it out, it's why they make the big bucks. Critique me all you want. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, combover said: at least this franchise is still good for a laugh. But experts on here still know more. Is there a metric that shows Chychrun as more effective than Hronek? I kind of laugh at fancy stats as the be all - end all but Hronek puts up good numbers in big minutes. I saw someone mocking him as “he’s sure right handed” but what’s Chychrun? “He’s sure 6’2?” Edited March 2, 2023 by ilduce39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said: Yeah I don't know where these conclusions of "directionless" are coming from. The re-tool was pretty clear when Rutherford said in a press conference a few months ago that they'd be targeting players in their early-mid 20s. They want players in the same age group as Hughes and Petey. They've been good on the small moves, you can see purpose there. It's the major moves where they seem to be clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: How are they getting rid of oel? They’re buying him out. I think they realize that’s the only way to start rebuilding this D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 57 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: JR is 74 years old. He was never brought in to do a rebuild. It was always going to be a retool on the fly. Some people got hope of a rebuild when we traded BO for Raty and that 1st round pick, and then the Miller rumours. But I knew all along JR was going to trade the NYI pick for a RHD. I said it many times and I might even look for those posts. Petey and Hughes are gonna be 25 and 24 this year. Demko is gonna be 28. Hronek is gonna be 26. Miller is gonna be 30. They are all in the timeline to win now, or 2-3 years from now. Teams that are rebuilding don't already have their superstar talent. That is why they are rebuilding. If Petey and Hughes weren't around then I would say let's tear this whole thing down. But when you have possibly the greatest Canuck ever just entering his prime and possibly the greatest Canuck defenceman of all time also in that timeline, both playing together at the same time, and you also have a goalie who has shown to be Vezina calibre, you just need to go for it. You can't wait it out and hope and pray that your 25 draft picks pan out. I mean, what happens if they don't? Then you effectively wasted the prime years of two of the greatest players in Canucks history. We can't afford to take that risk. We need to go for it now... Ha ok. Ok so just so we're clear. Pettersson is great Hughes is great Demko might literally never come close to what he did for like one career season. Hronek is literally a PP specialoist with meh defensive numbers at best and gets pushed off the puck very easily Miller is decent but overpaid We have no prospects to speak of We have no depth of any significance We have no cap space and unless a buyout or major move is made will be over the cap to start next season And while all these issues are present and have literally been ever present to some extent with the two cores we've had since 2013; we're gonna "go for it now" Lemme know which teams we're getting past in the playoffs or how; with changing only 1 major person to the core aside from OEL in the 5 years they've been together something is going to change. Sorry mate; we all love this team, we all want the best from them and we know what we have in Petey and Huggy bear but we;'re not going for anything short of mediocrity. if this team was a pretty individual in a corporate position we'd be effectively sleeping our way to the middle at best! We're not going for anything but the middle and we have zero assets or room to do anything to change it except for hoping that somehow some way we have 4 major core players that can replicate or improve upon career seasons that they had last year, with arguably the most important of the 4 potentially never recovering fully from a serious injury that has affected far better goaltenders than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, stawns said: They didn't draft fox, they traded for him. All their young players are support players, at best. The core they win with are older, veteran players that they traded for or signed. Before he played a game in the NHL.....But okay....if you need an example of a rebuild that didn't take a decade, look at the Penguins in the mid-oughts. I reject this premise that trading guys like Miller and Boeser and hanging on to our picks means the team has to suck for a decade..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleSedins Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, rekker said: Too many smurfs. Gotta move Rathbone imho Stay at home right D... Myers?? I know he's not the best we already moved on Tanev so not sure what management expects from Myers other than his contract is large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, ilduce39 said: Is there a metric that shows Chychrun as more effective than Hronek? I kind of laugh at fancy stats as the be all - end all but Hronek produces puts up good numbers in big minutes. I saw someone mocking him as “he’s sure right handed” but what’s Chychrun? “He’s sure 6’2?” I've never been a Chycrun fan, one of the most over rated players in the league, imo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, chon derry said: Ive been to the future ,2033. Bo comes back after losing for 10 years on the island. Petey and boeser keep in contact and wait for bo to get his first cup and their fifth. OMG Petey lost all his teefs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, combover said: at least this franchise is still good for a laugh. But experts on here still know more. They still are trading 1st rounder 2023 - between 12th - 18th O/A 2nd rounder 2024 - so should be like between 43rd - 50th O/A 2nd rounder 2026 Thats a good return for Coyotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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