Bure_Pavel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 They just had the best regular season in the history of the NHL, they aint blowing it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: A lot of folks on CDC blew their stack when we gave up a 1st and 2nd for Hronek. Can you imagine giving up more? This place would implode. Well at least we are not giving up an entire draft class for Tanner Jeannot… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 54 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: They just had the best regular season in the history of the NHL, they aint blowing it up. They're also losing the top two C's during that season along with some depth acquisitions (Bertuzzi, possibly Orlov). Not sure how they don't at least retool, if not sell off some assets to shore up deficient areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: They're also losing the top two C's during that season along with some depth acquisitions (Bertuzzi, possibly Orlov). Not sure how they don't at least retool, if not sell off some assets to shore up deficient areas. The proposal isn't a re-tool, though. That's the beginning of a massive rebuild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 59 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: They just had the best regular season in the history of the NHL, they aint blowing it up. Bergeron and Krejci probably retire this year is what people are thinking but look, Pasternak's new contract 8 x 11.25, McAvoy 8 x 9.5, Lindholm 8 x 6.5.... this does not look like a team who is planning on a rebuild. They're certainly going to need at least 1 top 6 centre though. Maybe they overpay for one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: They're also losing the top two C's during that season along with some depth acquisitions (Bertuzzi, possibly Orlov). Not sure how they don't at least retool, if not sell off some assets to shore up deficient areas. 15 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Bergeron and Krejci probably retire this year is what people are thinking but look, Pasternak's new contract 8 x 11.25, McAvoy 8 x 9.5, Lindholm 8 x 6.5.... this does not look like a team who is planning on a rebuild. They're certainly going to need at least 1 top 6 centre though. Maybe they overpay for one Yeah, if they are able to add another bonified top 6 center (it will cost them), they are likely still be a top team next year. You don't go from best reg season ever to blow it up that quick, they will need a small retool though. The proposed trade doesnt make much sense because not only are we not trading them a center we are getting one of their top 9 centers. Edited May 4, 2023 by Bure_Pavel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: The proposal isn't a re-tool, though. That's the beginning of a massive rebuild. If we win the lottery or get the 2nd pick and we can draft Bedard or Fantilli, we could always change the proposal and give them Miller instead of the draft picks. They are not getting a 1C unless they give up some assets. Carlo and Frederic would have to go the other way at minimum to get a 1C… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Another interesting deal. Valuation is tricky here. From them bast*rd's pov, you have to figure they see Rath/McD combo as = high 2nd/late 1st perhaps? Then send them Garland, another local. Keep Hogz Only give them 1 first rounder Need to send Myers too(w/ some retention) The pkg would focus on Coyle/Carle Would say beforehand, Bos would have to execute other deals to satisfy myriad needs. As things stand, not sure both franchises can match needs/wants & roster surplus. The historical bitterness complicates a multi-asset deal, likely making current GM's a lil' nervous for a big risk play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes, this is an official proposal. If Boston decides to blow it up and wants to get back those two first round picks they threw away plus 3 prospects (2 local boys), plus be able to shed over $10 million in cap in 2024 (Myers, Beau), then I would say that this is the deal for them... Coyle is a local boy. Why would they want to blow it up? You really think they had no clue that Bergeron/Krejci were done when Krejci had already left the NHL + Bergeron told media he was undecided whether to retire or play this season. They changed coach and they came back for this year but doubt Boston thought they'd be around much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, mll said: Coyle is a local boy. Why would they want to blow it up? You really think they had no clue that Bergeron/Krejci were done when Krejci had already left the NHL + Bergeron told media he was undecided whether to retire or play this season. They changed coach and they came back for this year but doubt Boston thought they'd be around much longer. Sure, they knew they wouldn’t be around much longer, which is why they went all in. They re-signed Pastrnak and Zacha because they didn’t want to lose them for nothing. If you have $6 million in cap space and you need to sign your backup goalie to probably a $3 million+ contract plus you need to sign another 7-8 guys, how exactly are you going to do that? What exactly would be their plan to address their need at centre? Are they planning to run Zacha as their 1C? They don’t have any cap space to go after top end UFA’s. They barely have any cap space to sign 4th liners to minimum contracts. I’m trying to figure out what their plan is to stay competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Realistically Boston want cap space, so they may consider trading guys they have under contract for a cheaper option. Realistically we want a center and Carlo. Guys who I think would interest Boston would be Rathbone and Hoglander in particular, but also someone like Burroughs, Aman and Joshua - very cheap guys who might be able to play up in the lineup. For Boston, who do they want to get rid of? Hall is expensive but had a good playoffs. Coyle is pricey but pretty much their top line center now. Zacha at 4.75m seems a bit steep now but he's probably their 2C next year so fair play. Their top-6 is pretty solid and pretty set (obviously without a true 1C but they'll roll with it). They have a lot of pending UFAs they'll probably have to let walk, but if they want to try and keep Bertuzzi and/or Orlov, someone's got to give. Their defence is very expensive - McAvoy and Lindholm aren't going anywhere but Grzelcyk, Carlo and Forbot all at 3-4M is a bit much. The best deal for Boston would be Hall + one of those expensive D (probably Forbot) for cheap guys, and obviously Boston have to give some quality back. They don't have a first round pick for a while, so maybe a prospect (of which they have very few) or decent young player. To me, that sounds a bit like Hall + Carlo, but we simply don't have that cap space either. We could give them maybe Beauvillier and Rathbone back so they save around 5-6M to re-sign their guys, but is Carlo enough value for losing two good young players and taking on Hall's contract? They'd have to give a high pick which they just don't have. The more you look into it, the worse a trade partner they are for us because they're trying to do the same thing we are - get decent centers and cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 16 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Assuming we stay at 11... To Boston: 2023 1st round pick 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected) Nils Hoglander Jack Rathbone Aidan McDonough Anthony Beauvillier Tyler Myers To Vancouver: Brandon Carlo Charlie Coyle Trent Frederic Boston is about to blow it all up. We need to take advantage of that. In this deal, we get our 3C, our RHD partner for Hughes, and a tough SOB that can play up and down the lineup. In effect, we fix all of our holes in one fell swoop. We can compete for a cup as early as next season. In return, we give Boston 2 first round picks and 3 prospects for their rebuild. Jack and Aidan go back home as well. Myers and Beau will be off Boston's books in a year so they can rebuild even further with more cap space. Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev Frederic Miller Boeser Podkolzin Coyle Kravtsov Joshua Aman Hathaway PDG Hughes Carlo OEL Hronek Tyramkin Bear Hirose Schenn Demko Silovs Pearson (LTIR) Poolman (LTIR) or waived and sent to Abby Cap works. Garland gets moved to Chicago in a separate deal. We are now a cup contender for 2024!!!!! Your welcome Jimmy... You actually think we're trading away Bedard just like that? For a 4D, 3C and a 2W? Laughable. (I'm just speaking into existence our lottery win) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Rather send Hoglander and our first to the Rags for Othman and Lafrenier. Then flip Laf to Montreal for Baron a 2nd and 3rd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 17 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Assuming we stay at 11... To Boston: 2023 1st round pick 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected) Nils Hoglander Jack Rathbone Aidan McDonough Anthony Beauvillier Tyler Myers To Vancouver: Brandon Carlo Charlie Coyle Trent Frederic Boston is about to blow it all up. We need to take advantage of that. In this deal, we get our 3C, our RHD partner for Hughes, and a tough SOB that can play up and down the lineup. In effect, we fix all of our holes in one fell swoop. We can compete for a cup as early as next season. In return, we give Boston 2 first round picks and 3 prospects for their rebuild. Jack and Aidan go back home as well. Myers and Beau will be off Boston's books in a year so they can rebuild even further with more cap space. Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev Frederic Miller Boeser Podkolzin Coyle Kravtsov Joshua Aman Hathaway PDG Hughes Carlo OEL Hronek Tyramkin Bear Hirose Schenn Demko Silovs Pearson (LTIR) Poolman (LTIR) or waived and sent to Abby Cap works. Garland gets moved to Chicago in a separate deal. We are now a cup contender for 2024!!!!! Your welcome Jimmy... These big trades only work in EA hockey 2022.. Only player for Boston is Hoglander and Beauvillier, possibly Rathbone one day.. Canucks don't want to trade away 1st rounders big no no ? Trading 1 st rounder never mind you are trading 2 first rounder.. Only happens in EA sports.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 15 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Well at least we are not giving up an entire draft class for Tanner Jeannot… Yeah but your trade you are giving up 1st rounders.. Big difference to 3rd 4th and 5th rounders.. No no two first rounder no way.. Boston need Centre that can play.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: You actually think we're trading away Bedard just like that? For a 4D, 3C and a 2W? Laughable. (I'm just speaking into existence our lottery win) The order for the draft will be decided this Monday May 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 52 minutes ago, BPA said: The order for the draft will be decided this Monday May 8th. The draft has already been decided in the NHL offices, weeks ago. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: The draft has already been decided in the NHL offices, weeks ago. Yup. And we are the chosen “one” this year. Bedard will be here because he will add 100 million/yr to the league’s revenue being in Vancouver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Sure, they knew they wouldn’t be around much longer, which is why they went all in. They re-signed Pastrnak and Zacha because they didn’t want to lose them for nothing. If you have $6 million in cap space and you need to sign your backup goalie to probably a $3 million+ contract plus you need to sign another 7-8 guys, how exactly are you going to do that? What exactly would be their plan to address their need at centre? Are they planning to run Zacha as their 1C? They don’t have any cap space to go after top end UFA’s. They barely have any cap space to sign 4th liners to minimum contracts. I’m trying to figure out what their plan is to stay competitive. Cassidy got fired in part because the lack of development of their younger players - Neely sppoke about that. Boston already knew that their roster was ageing and that they needed a succession plan. They swapped Haula for Zacha also to get younger and prepare the post-Bergeron era. They'll have to complete their roster on the cheap. Might use next season as a bit of a transition year without Bergeron/Krejci as players step into increased roles and they wait for some cap to open up. They already went a season without Krejci and still made the playoffs - their overall roster seems stronger today then it was then. Would expect them to try and open up some cap by trading Reilly, Grzelcyk or Forbort (UFAs in a year). Got to wonder if Anaheim might not be looking for short term veteran Ds (option for Myers too btw). They added Beaulieu/Klingberg last season and have Shattenkirk as expiring UFA - ie they are possibly down 3 veterans Ds. They added Klingberg on the hope to flip him at the TDL so maybe they'll do the same again this season. They might convince one of their RFAs to sign for much lower and then get their payday once they open up some cap a few years later - the SJS/Tampa approach. Pastrnak wanted to know their plan before extending. They sold him on something - doubt it's a blow up. Edited May 4, 2023 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 3 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: You actually think we're trading away Bedard just like that? For a 4D, 3C and a 2W? Laughable. (I'm just speaking into existence our lottery win) The very first line of my post says "assuming we stay at 11"... Of course we are not making this trade if we land the 1st or 2nd overall pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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