Fred65 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 49 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. Gillis won two Presidents’ trophies, GM of the year, and his club got to game seven of the Cup Final. Benning Clearly the best GM the franchise had ever had based on success. Too many go on and on and on about drafting, it's important, but winning is the most important. Thats what the Gillis era brought. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Hm, explain and do it in a fair way like a GM that can draft a lot of better than 10OA has a much better chans to get a star than someone who draft later when the lottery starts. Buddy JB beyond 10 is better than Gillass period Boeser, McCann, Gaudette, Forsling, Demko, Hoglander > allllll of Gillass’s drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Clearly the best GM the franchise had ever had based on success. Too many go on and on and on about drafting, it's important, but winning is the most important. Thats what the Gillis era brought. The Gillis era did absolutely nothing to extend our window to win. He ran this organization right into the ground in 5 years. Meanwhile Boston who beat us in the finals continued to be a dominant organization for over a decade AFTER beating us. Gillis did what? Nothing. such a great GM he never got another job offer and went to working as a professor at UVIC. Lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 JB was doing ok, barely ok, actually not ok. Then the OEL trade, running out of time with Tanev and Taffoli and banking on Jake, all around the same time. That was a fugly ending. I give him a 5 out 10. Hughes was a no brainer, but without drafting EP and trading for JT I'd give him a three. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 28 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: The Gillis era did absolutely nothing to extend our window to win. He ran this organization right into the ground in 5 years. Meanwhile Boston who beat us in the finals continued to be a dominant organization for over a decade AFTER beating us. Gillis did what? Nothing. such a great GM he never got another job offer and went to working as a professor at UVIC. Lmfao Gillis DID win period!! Maybe for those who didn't follow the Canucks at that time they judge him by what did he give us today, which is wrong. He left 9 years ago (2014) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AnthonyG Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Fred65 said: Gillis DID win period!! Maybe for those who didn't follow the Canucks at that time they judge him by what did he give us today, which is wrong. He left 9 years ago (2014) He did not win. Boston won. And Boston continued dominating. Vancouver was dead in the water 3 years after appearing in the finals with no hope in hell. No future. Nothing. Done. Dead. Thanks Gillis for almost winning a cup, but it cost the future 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, AnthonyG said: He did not win. Boston won. And Boston continued dominating. Vancouver was dead in the water 3 years after appearing in the finals with no hope in hell. No future. Nothing. Done. Dead. Thanks Gillis for almost winning a cup, but it cost the future Take notes everyone. Winning the president's trophy (2012) and the division (2013) means you're dead in the water. Can't compare to those meaningful games in March the last 8 years....give your head a shake man. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 minute ago, DSVII said: Take notes everyone. Winning the president's trophy (2012) and the division (2013) means you're dead in the water. Can't compare to those meaningful games in March the last 8 years....give your head a shake man. Yup. Two presidents trophies, cup final, and GM of the year award. But Benning was better. Seriously how can anyone in their right mind actually argue Benning was a better GM than Gillis? IMHAO our owner was a friggin’ idiot for firing Gillis in the first place. He should have taken the advice from our most successful GM ever and allowed a rebuild after the 2012 playoff loss. Imagine where we would be now if Gillis was allowed to do a proper rebuild like he wanted to. But no. Our owner wanted Benning and his No plan, plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckfromlangley Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 He lost me in the bubble year. When he let Tanev and Markstrom walk for nothing. then traded for Tafolli and let him walk. It was all downhill from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, DSVII said: Take notes everyone. Winning the president's trophy (2012) and the division (2013) means you're dead in the water. Can't compare to those meaningful games in March the last 8 years....give your head a shake man. Take notes bud 2012, 2013… 2014????????? Way to keep things rollin Gillis…. DOWNHILL Lmfao Edited June 11, 2023 by AnthonyG 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: Take notes bud 2012, 2013… 2014????????? Way to keep things rollin Gillis…. DOWNHILL Lmfao You've lost the plot my friend. Take care. Do try and answer those questions when you have a chance. I'm genuinely curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 7 f**king pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 7 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Buddy JB beyond 10 is better than Gillass period Boeser, McCann, Gaudette, Forsling, Demko, Hoglander > allllll of Gillass’s drafting. Ok, you still don’t analyse the drafting right. It’s a lottery after the first picks. Everyone knows that but you don’t even mention it. Benning can be compared to other GMs with loyts of higher picks. The rest of the GMs can join the club where luck is the main factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 10 hours ago, Fred65 said: Clearly the best GM the franchise had ever had based on success. Too many go on and on and on about drafting, it's important, but winning is the most important. Thats what the Gillis era brought. To be fair, he did walk into a team which had a few of the pieces already in place, he just did some tinkering - a bit like how JR did with Pittsburgh. His drafting was terrible, but he made some really nice moves to make that team a power-house. The Ehrhoff deal was top notch and I remember those Higgins and Lapierre moves were classic TDL acquisitions to help us go on a deep run with good depth. After that it started getting a bit desperate, I liked Palhsson but the Booth acquisition turned out pretty ugly. Got to give him credit on the Schneider for Horvat deal - that is one of the biggest fleeces in the history of this league - trading a prime goalie for a pick and then turns out the goalie flops under a different system whereas we get a star center. Even Luongo for Markstrom turned out to be a great trade for us - flipping a goalie past his prime for a young unproven guy who had some good seasons with us. Despite his bad drafting, he never threw away picks the way JB or even Allvin have done. I guess the cap structure was a bit different and less desperate back then though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Fred65 said: Clearly the best GM the franchise had ever had based on success. Too many go on and on and on about drafting, it's important, but winning is the most important. Thats what the Gillis era brought. Yes. I honestly think most fans here have some sort ot PTSD due to poor drafting the the moment a Canucks GM can draft some players in the first round that are NHL stars some people here are like *OMG he drafted four players ... GEeATest GeneRAL ManAGEr of ALL Timez" Edited June 11, 2023 by iinatcc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 lol.. Gillis was a great GM to me. I like winning teams. (inherited or not - ridicious argument btw) Luck is part of life, live up to it lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Fred65 said: Clearly the best GM the franchise had ever had based on success. Too many go on and on and on about drafting, it's important, but winning is the most important. Thats what the Gillis era brought. What Pat Quinn built given what he started with was more impressive. He became GM of the Canucks in 1987. At that point his starting goalie Richard Brodeur had one year left in his career. His entire lineup of scoring stars was at or near the end of the road: Tanti, Sundstrom, Skriko, Pederson, Smyl...all of them with a few years left in their career, all of them out of the NHL when the upcoming era of Canucks won their first division title in 1992, their second in 1993 and went to the Cup final in 1994. He traded all but Smyl and for them he got Greg Adams (played until 2001), Kirk McLean (two time Vezina finalist as a Canuck and played until 2001) and the players he packaged with Garth Butcher (basically done as NHLer by the time the 1994 run rolled around) to get Ronning, Courtnall, Momesso and Dirk. He got value for almost every declining asset, almost all of whom weren't even in the NHL by the time the Canucks' upcoming window opened, and rebuilt the team right there...without even taking his drafting into account, which brought in: Trevor Linden, Pavel Bure, Petr Nedved (became Jeff Brown, Hedican and Lafayette), Odjick, Peca... And that's leaving out the acquisitions of Lumme, Babych, Murzyn, Diduck and Murray Craven. A complete and total rebuild becoming an NHL powerhouse from 1991 to 1994. From being near the basement with an aging and declining core and almost no developing prospects. That's more impressive to me than what Gillis accomplished from where he started. And that's without considering GM Jake Milford as well. But Gillis was without question WAY better than Jim Benning. Edited June 11, 2023 by Kevin Biestra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 8 hours ago, DSVII said: You've lost the plot my friend. Take care. Do try and answer those questions when you have a chance. I'm genuinely curious. Dont worry I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) On 6/8/2023 at 2:33 PM, Strawbone said: I can't judge Benning while ignoring the Eriksson and OEL signings. He did those things, and it's all way too hypothetical to imagine a world where he did not, as surely other deals would have happened instead. It's a bit like evaluating someone on a driving test, where they followed all the rules of the road and did just fine, except that they ran over a pedestrian and crashed in to a school bus. Benning fails his driving test! And disregard this total shi_show of a 2012 team with locked in contacts into the next f'n century, literally, that any GM in the leagues history would have labeled it a disaster and said FU to the job offer.. And then most of the Vancouver fan base who are clueless as F! Proof yet again? Same thing, let's sell the farm for one cup, yet it never worked, now if that isn't clueless and stupid, I don't know what is but it's been the flavor of the day since who knows how long. Yet fans keep screaming for it year after year... Oh wait if we keep doing that we "might" win one by 2123... Brilliant! Genius even! Left to Vancouver fans, we'd have a rebuild every year... Edited June 11, 2023 by iceman64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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