IBatch Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Just a reminder that what GM's say? And what they do is not always the same. It's not gospel, some is for public consumptions. And the market... Yes and yes. Some of it is smoke and mirrors too. With the draft coming up, expect quite a bit of that soon. Edited June 25, 2023 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 50 minutes ago, IBatch said: Alex P was offered the same deal to stay but went anyways. Not sure why he did. Makes more in Vegas maybe that's why. They'd just won a cup, and given the age of their team, it's reasonable to think they'd have at least 3 maybe four more cracks at it. As for Faulk, was surprised at his physical play in the bubble. Guy can throw a hit and be active after the whistle. With their two best players gone, and recently Tarasenko, not sure how'd they'd re-tool, and who'd they re-tool around, but adding Hayes kind of fits their mode of trying to make it work with a platoon like effort. Regarding Faulk, he just regressed horribly. The bubble was 3 years ago - no doubt he was a completely different player back then. The recurring theme in St. Louis is that players turn to shit as soon as they get extended. On one hand, the Blues have some serious decisions to make. Either rebuild in full or go ahead with this massive re-tooling plan. They have the draft assets but not so much cap room. One thing is clear: Armstrong needs to try and clear as many bloated contracts as possible. The ones that stick around are the ones he better hope return to form. Jordan Binnington must do better - no more post-whistle shenanigans until he gets his groove back. On the flip side, Danny Brière's agenda is clear: all hands abandon ship. If it weren't for Flyers double agent Hextall, Chuck Fletcher would've been the worst GM since Benning got fired. Despite also fielding a terrible roster, the Flyers do have some valuable players they don't need for this upcoming rebuild. DeAngelo is already gone. Hayes is most definitely gone. Laughton I'm sure will be gone. Konecny is the big question mark going forward. He is an excellent pest on a very affordable contract. Do they keep him or sell high? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Regarding Faulk, he just regressed horribly. The bubble was 3 years ago - no doubt he was a completely different player back then. The recurring theme in St. Louis is that players turn to shit as soon as they get extended. On one hand, the Blues have some serious decisions to make. Either rebuild in full or go ahead with this massive re-tooling plan. They have the draft assets but not so much cap room. One thing is clear: Armstrong needs to try and clear as many bloated contracts as possible. The ones that stick around are the ones he better hope return to form. Jordan Binnington must do better - no more post-whistle shenanigans until he gets his groove back. On the flip side, Danny Brière's agenda is clear: all hands abandon ship. If it weren't for Flyers double agent Hextall, Chuck Fletcher would've been the worst GM since Benning got fired. Despite also fielding a terrible roster, the Flyers do have some valuable players they don't need for this upcoming rebuild. DeAngelo is already gone. Hayes is most definitely gone. Laughton I'm sure will be gone. Konecny is the big question mark going forward. He is an excellent pest on a very affordable contract. Do they keep him or sell high? Think Briere is going to sell everything he can. Hayes was a bad signing at the time, set the market way too high for second line centers. At least one million. As for St. Louis, don't know what happened to Faulk. Was a pretty dependable top four D, aside from some injury issues, a scored a lot of goals. Just two years ago he was plus 41, scored 16 goals and looked to be ready to have his best seasons finally (after a lot of promise and injury trouble in his mid 20's). A couple times he's had Norris votes, and plays the right side. Not tall but has some size and definitely some snarl. If he was a Canuck his entire career, embarrassing as it is, would likely end up leading D's in most categories. Already has 20 or so goals more then Edler and is only 31. If St. Louis retained on him, or even traded Brock one for one I'd consider it. We need more goals scored from the D, and have seen some big ones. Edler led the league in minus one year at -39. That's more of a team stat, but would be really curious to see what WAR said about him that year. We all know he was a legit two four guy, would it show him way way low? If so...well that model is for sure flawed. As for WAR, it changes year to year - you have to look at at least a 3 or 4 year's, consider where a team is. Great goaltending or Bad goaltending ALWAYs affects EV strength for example. Not saying we should try and get him, it would be something worth considering if he was available too. Look at his career EV strength points, he scores a lot. And also doesn't get a lot of penalties, despite his gritty play (hits a lot too). Most importantly, look at his ATOI. He's playing first pairing minutes. In Vancouver he wouldn't have to do that. Just two seasons ago he got some Norris votes. To be he's a lot like Bieksa was minus the fighting. Not the biggest guy, but players bigger (and has some weight behind him and his hits). Gets a lot of points at even strength. Given he's a RHD, and for sure they are tough to get, and for sure we need one... As for WAR. It's an interesting model but has some holes in it. Context and a deeper dive helps reflect better. Same with your eyeballs can't say i've watched Faulk a lot last season, maybe someone can add to it? Edited June 25, 2023 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DrJockitch Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 They squeezed blood from a stone to win the cup. They were a slightly above average team with an average goalie that got hot at the right time. When they lost Pieterangelo they lost the Harare and soul of the team. Parayko has regressed majorly since signing that contract. Maybe he will recover but he may just end up being the next buyout candidate. As much as I like his characteristics he hasn’t shown to be the player he was 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 can cross the names of Leddy, Parayko and Faulk out from the list of players possible involved in the trade with Philly: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Caboose Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Leaky front office not a great sign for Jones+Briere. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Does this scuttle the deal? Or are they scrambling to still make this work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spook007 Posted June 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) Good on Krug for not budging to the pressure ... The NTCs and NMCs handed out are almost worthless the way players are pressured to just forget about them. In a cap world they should be gold dust in order to keep the salaries down (one thing Gillis did very well to build a strong core). Atm there is almost no reason, why players should sign a discounted contract, as the GMs struggle to honour their side of the bargain... So well done Krug. Edited June 25, 2023 by spook007 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, spook007 said: Good on drug for not budging to the pressure ... The NTCs and NMCs handed out are almost worthless the way players are pressured to just forget about them. in a cap world they should be gold dust in order to keep the salaries down (one thing Gillis did very well to build a strong core). Atm there is almost no reason, why players should sign a discounted contract, as the GMs struggle to honour their side of the bargain... So well done Krug. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, RWJC said: Ziggys brother 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, spook007 said: Good on drug for not budging to the pressure ... The NTCs and NMCs handed out are almost worthless the way players are pressured to just forget about them. in a cap world they should be gold dust in order to keep the salaries down (one thing Gillis did very well to build a strong core). Atm there is almost no reason, why players should sign a discounted contract, as the GMs struggle to honour their side of the bargain... So well done Krug. Exactly, a key aspect to getting a NTC or NMC is so that you can say no to being traded to a team coached by Torts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Exactly, a key aspect to getting a NTC or NMC is so that you can say no to being traded to a team coached by Torts. Surprised that wasn't Briere's first move Is he still actually the head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Just now, aGENT said: Surprised that wasn't Briere's first move Is he still actually the head coach? Maybe he won't be if it actually costs the team from making this blockbuster trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Can someone please clear up a question regarding NTC contracts.? I thought all players, with a NTC had to provide a list of teams they would not allow a trade to, by a certain date, like Jun30th. So all this "must ask player" stuff is about getting that player to go to a team on his list of "don't trade me there "anyway? What Gm would be silly enough to sign a NTC were he has to ask the player every time he tries/wants to move him.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) I wonder if contracts could use a monetary incentive to deal with NTCs and NMCs. Like a unsigning bonus. Edited June 25, 2023 by Hairy Kneel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Gurn said: Can someone please clear up a question regarding NTC contracts.? I thought all players, with a NTC had to provide a list of teams they would not allow a trade to, by a certain date, like Jun30th. So all this "must ask player" stuff is about getting that player to go to a team on his list of "don't trade me there "anyway? What Gm would be silly enough to sign a NTC were he has to ask the player every time he tries/wants to move him.? That is only for limited NTC, Krug has a full NTC. That said if a team from the NTC list asks for the player I believe they can ask if he has changed his mind about going but the player can always defer back to the list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-rumour-roundup-blues-flyers-deal-held-by-krugs-no-trade-clause/ And.... Wiebe's World: Trade chatter heating up in Central Division ahead of NHL Draft https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/wiebes-world-trade-chatter-heating-up-in-central-division-ahead-of-nhl-draft/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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