Adam Gaudette | #96 | C

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, theo5789 said:

Certainly an option. Whatever the case, I don't think he's untouchable. Not sure what the market is for him though around the league.

For sure. I think the precedence we should set is not trading him unless it is for a quality player. He's a promising player so I'd want someone good hence why I mentioned Rakell.

[theo5789]

2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

For sure. I think the precedence we should set is not trading him unless it is for a quality player. He's a promising player so I'd want someone good hence why I mentioned Rakell.

I think that's a given. I'm just not sold on moving a center for another winger at this point and we would have to significantly add on top of Gaudette if we are expecting Rakell. It might be more likely that we make a hockey trade for someone in a similar situation, but a different position to fill any gaps in our lineups.

[Canuck Surfer]

4 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

They didn't draft Bones, they traded for him. They can we had a lot easier via trade and FA than a top 6 forward. Just goes to show that they can be had a lot easier. Also we have Madden in the wings as the contingent.

 

Gaudette hasn't been great at what he needs be to good at as a 3rd C defense and face offs. Hence Horvat's taking 100% defensive zone draws while he is on the bench, his time is limited being sheltered. A lot of his points early on we're coming off the wing on the rush. He's had success there early on till he was moved at C with Sutter/Beagle injury so it's not as if he is worse there. He's an forechecker that works hard and has a has a pretty decent shot. Playing the wing will allow him to play to his strengths while taking away his weaknesses. Furthermore playing with better players may help him unlock his offensive potential.

 

3rd C can be had via trade/FA. If Sutter's healthy he's one but I don't think we can count on that anymore.

 

 

 

Says who?

 

We have Beagle & Horvat for D zone face off's.  

 

Gaudette can develop into what Green thinks he should develop into,

 

The point of mentioning Bonino? He was good defensively.  But also could centre a line with Kessel.  Which was NOT a defensive line. Even though Bonino, at 4 years older than Gaudette is now. Was capable of playing a defensive, or offensive game.  I suspect Gaudette will be exactly there in 2 or 3 years? 

[Junkyard Dog]

1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Says who?

 

We have Beagle & Horvat for D zone face off's.  

 

Gaudette can develop into what Green thinks he should develop into,

 

The point of mentioning Bonino? He was good defensively.  But also could centre a line with Kessel.  Which was NOT a defensive line. Even though Bonino, at 4 years older than Gaudette is now. Was capable of playing a defensive, or offensive game.  I suspect Gaudette will be exactly there in 2 or 3 years? 

I'd rather have a 3rd C that can play a checking role and supply secondary scoring and Gaud can't do that. Horvat takes everyone of his lines defensive zone draws while he is on the bench. Fact about Bonino is that he was easy for Pittsburgh to acquire which proves a point I was making. Now that you bring up Kessel I can help support. Kessel, a top 6 player, cost an arm and a leg to acquire for Pittsburgh. Why go through that when you can acquire a 3rd line C a lot easier?

 

Gaud and Bones are different players. I want a center that can do both play D and provide secondary scoring. You can try to develop players the way you want but it doesn't always work out.

 

What's the issue with having him as a top 6 RW? He's good enough. It exploits what he is good at while taking away his weaknesses. They're a lot harder to find are they not? You can acquire a 3rd line C and a better suited one than Gaudette a lot easier than you can acquire any top 6 forward. Beagle and Sutter are not gonna be here forever and we're gonna have to have someone take up their PK/match up responsibility, especially with Horvat is already doing his part. As of now Gaud doesn't look like that and if he can't improve his faceoffs on top of that he really should shift to the wing.

 

If Green wants him to improve at what he's weak at than he can't keep getting sheltered. He needs to be in defensive situations to see whether or not he can improve and he really needs to be better on the draw, 39% isn't gonna cut it.

 

 

 

[JM_]

Just based on 'eye test' - I have no numbers to back this up - but I really wonder if Gaudette on the wing is the best idea? Not because "he sucks at draws" blah blah, but because he's such an explosive scorer and really seems to have that net nose we need a little more of. If he's on the wing maybe he can be more free to pursue his offensive instincts? 

 

If we did that, Jim can target a veteran C for the playoff push, I think oldnews suggested a guy like Nate Thompson, who can take the draws and have the option to distribute to Jake or Gaudette on the same line. 

Edited February 9, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[Crabcakes]

On 2/5/2020 at 8:08 PM, Canuck Surfer said:

Says who?

 

We have Beagle & Horvat for D zone face off's.  

 

Gaudette can develop into what Green thinks he should develop into,

 

The point of mentioning Bonino? He was good defensively.  But also could centre a line with Kessel.  Which was NOT a defensive line. Even though Bonino, at 4 years older than Gaudette is now. Was capable of playing a defensive, or offensive game.  I suspect Gaudette will be exactly there in 2 or 3 years? 

If they want Gaudette to develop, I'd rather see him in Utica honestly. Short term pain for long term gain.  

 

I know he scored last night but he went a long time between goals.  I feel he is very much the weak link in the middle on this team.

 

Why make a trade when we have Sutter under utilized?  

 

The problem is depth on the wing at this point.  Leivo and Motte out makes things difficult.  And what about Boeser?  So Gaudette isn't going down

[Alflives]

26 minutes ago, Crabcakes said:

If they want Gaudette to develop, I'd rather see him in Utica honestly. Short term pain for long term gain.  

 

I know he scored last night but he went a long time between goals.  I feel he is very much the weak link in the middle on this team.

 

Why make a trade when we have Sutter under utilized?  

 

The problem is depth on the wing at this point.  Leivo and Motte out makes things difficult.  And what about Boeser?  So Gaudette isn't going down

Hockey Gaud was our best forward last night.  I think we’re seeing he’s a super hyper competitive guy.  Our coach needs to be fired, and Babcock hired.  Babcock will play guys who compete when it’s rough.  That’s Hockey Gaud.

 

[Crabcakes]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Hockey Gaud was our best forward last night.  I think we’re seeing he’s a super hyper competitive guy.  Our coach needs to be fired, and Babcock hired.  Babcock will play guys who compete when it’s rough.  That’s Hockey Gaud.

 

Babs?  Seriously Alf. Benning has more sense than that

[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, Crabcakes said:

Babs?  Seriously Alf. Benning has more sense than that

Babs is an arrogant prick.  That’s exactly what this young core needs.  Babs would breed into the young core his arrogant attitude.  Plus, Babs would play support players who support our young core.  He wouldn’t allow the passiveness in our current support group to prevail.  He’d play guys from the minors instead. 

Our older support players lack passion, and Babs would see that, and address it. 

[higgyfan]

59 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Hockey Gaud was our best forward last night.  I think we’re seeing he’s a super hyper competitive guy.  Our coach needs to be fired, and Babcock hired.  Babcock will play guys who compete when it’s rough.  That’s Hockey Gaud.

 

I agree, Alf.  I wasn't a big fan of Gaud a while back, but as he seemed kind of all over the place.  Recently, he appears to be more focused and is a nightmare in the o-zone.  He is an energy guy that plays a heavier game than his weight class.  Each off-season he will return with more muscle, which will help his development.  Nuck fans are going to love this guy in the upcoming years.  I wish people would quit saying he should be sent to Utica though...unless they really want him to be picked up on waivers by another team

 

The rest of your post is malarkey though.

[higgyfan]

47 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Babs is an arrogant prick.  That’s exactly what this young core needs.  Babs would breed into the young core his arrogant attitude.  Plus, Babs would play support players who support our young core.  He wouldn’t allow the passiveness in our current support group to prevail.  He’d play guys from the minors instead. 

Our older support players lack passion, and Babs would see that, and address it. 

So am I to understand that you now appreciate the way the Leafs played while Mikey was the coach? 

[Canuck Surfer]

2 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

If they want Gaudette to develop, I'd rather see him in Utica honestly. Short term pain for long term gain.  

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/adam-gaudette

I know he scored last night but he went a long time between goals.  I feel he is very much the weak link in the middle on this team.

 

Why make a trade when we have Sutter under utilized?  

 

The problem is depth on the wing at this point.  Leivo and Motte out makes things difficult.  And what about Boeser?  So Gaudette isn't going down

There is no option to send Gaudette to Utica anymore.  Would have to clear waivers. I dont believe he would.

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/adam-gaudette

 

Bit of a test, yes this pickle on the wing.  But we added Miller & Ferlund in summer. 

 

We have some series veteran options in Utica; Baertschi, Goldobin, we called up MacEwen. Lind is approaching at least a look?

 

Its even worth mentioning Hoglander is in his 2knd SHL year against men. If his team does not go deep, could be signed & would make a serious injection of agility, talent.  

[Canuck Surfer]

On 2/6/2020 at 4:38 PM, Junkyard Dog said:

I'd rather have a 3rd C that can play a checking role and supply secondary scoring and Gaud can't do that

Gaudette is 1/2 a point a game.  Which above average 3C production / secondary scoring.  That will actually come easier.

 

And maybe he is challenged to play defence?  But he's on his way. He made the team on the back of his motor. The guy is always skating, always checking, always battling.  Easy to like.

 

He'll learn to take face off's. He'll learn to not get left in his jock strap by McDavid, by Crosby.  He has the work rate, the pride in his performance, the compete inside himself. And he is improving.

 

Its just a matter of time!

[Junkyard Dog]

1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Gaudette is 1/2 a point a game.  Which above average 3C production / secondary scoring.  That will actually come easier.

 

And maybe he is challenged to play defence?  But he's on his way. He made the team on the back of his motor. The guy is always skating, always checking, always battling.  Easy to like.

 

He'll learn to take face off's. He'll learn to not get left in his jock strap by McDavid, by Crosby.  He has the work rate, the pride in his performance, the compete inside himself. And he is improving.

 

Its just a matter of time!

Perhaps. Time will tell. If he can't then a top 6 winger spot is the right move.

[Canuck Surfer]

2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Perhaps. Time will tell. If he can't then a top 6 winger spot is the right move.

Yeah, we disagree. Dont we?

 

I think what we need Gaudette for is 2 & 3 years from now, When we dont have Bragle or Sutter. 

 

Our internal succession plan has Madden & Karlsson behind Gaudette.  I dont see that pipeline as a position of strength sufficient to move Gaudette.

[Junkyard Dog]

9 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Yeah, we disagree. Dont we?

 

I think what we need Gaudette for is 2 & 3 years from now, When we dont have Bragle or Sutter. 

 

Our internal succession plan has Madden & Karlsson behind Gaudette.  I dont see that pipeline as a position of strength sufficient to move Gaudette.

I just see how he can be successful at top 6 RW and the benefit that would be for the team. I am not set on anything. Just going into in with an open mind to all situations. We don't need to move him yet. He could be and that's worth seeing. A 3rd C isn't hard to acquire though.

 

We could sign someone as well or make a trade if it doesn't work out at C with him.

 

[Dixon Ward]

Hockey Gaud gave up 40 lbs in his first fight and kicked a$$!.  He is quickly becoming one of my favourite Canucks.

[filthycanuck]

On 2/9/2020 at 9:40 AM, Crabcakes said:

If they want Gaudette to develop, I'd rather see him in Utica honestly. Short term pain for long term gain.  

 

I know he scored last night but he went a long time between goals.  I feel he is very much the weak link in the middle on this team.

 

Why make a trade when we have Sutter under utilized?  

 

The problem is depth on the wing at this point.  Leivo and Motte out makes things difficult.  And what about Boeser?  So Gaudette isn't going down

He'd have to clear waivers which is very very unlikely to happen

[Canadian]

When a team has three players in the top 10 in face-off percentages (Miller, Beagle and Horvat), you can afford to have one center weaker on the draw. The key is more so about his defensive prowess and ability to contribute offensively.

 

Right now, it seems to be similar to the 2011-2012 year with Sedin-Kesler-Hodgson-Malhotra, where you have a strong #1 center (Miller/Pettersson), and solid Selke-type #2 (Horvat), a young offensively-sheltered center (Gaudette) and a defensive specialist (Beagle)

[Canuckfan_Brett]

1 minute ago, Canadian said:

When a team has three players in the top 10 in face-off percentages (Miller, Beagle and Horvat), you can afford to have one center weaker on the draw. The key is more so about his defensive prowess and ability to contribute offensively.

 

Right now, it seems to be similar to the 2011-2012 year with Sedin-Kesler-Hodgson-Malhotra, where you have a strong #1 center (Miller/Pettersson), and solid Selke-type #2 (Horvat), a young offensively-sheltered center (Gaudette) and a defensive specialist (Beagle)

Sutter is also a Malhotra-type player too