Popular Post PuckYa Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, stawns said: While I agree QH probably has a more secure spot on the roster, a big part of that security comes because QH brings a missing element to the lineup that OJ doesn't. I don't see it as being "better" than OJ though. It's quite clear to me that Hughes is "better" than Juolevi all day, every day from now to infinity... 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, CoolCanucklehead said: It's quite clear to me that Hughes is "better" than Juolevi all day, every day from now to infinity... Ya i think its safe to say Hughes is better, in a game of school yard hockey with captains picking teams I dont think many pick Juolevi before Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, stawns said: what is it you are unhappy with? He had a very underrated season with a very depleted London team after being drafted. After a slow start to his first pro season, he ended up having one fo the best 20 year old dman seasons in Liiga and last year he scored at a .72 ppg pace, as a rookie. Just from the 'eye test' watching him at last seasons training camp..He was getting turnstiled on a regular basis, and in several cases he literally 'gave up on the play'. (there's no excuse for that)...Also,he needs to work on his defensive play (taking the man,instead of a flimsy poke check)...Needless to say, the coaching staff didnt dress him for the remaining exhibition games. He didn't look close to being an NHL player....To be fair, he was coming off of back surgery (and we all saw how sluggish Brock Boeser looked in the first half of last season, after his back surgery)...but still, not what should be expected from the 'safe pick' at 5th OA...(if he was taken 15th OA,we wouldnt be having this discussion). Again,I hope that OJ does become the player we all thought he could be, and he sticks it to the Calgary Flames (how many times do i have to hear them thanking us for MT). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ForsbergTheGreat Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, stawns said: what is it you are unhappy with? He had a very underrated season with a very depleted London team after being drafted. As pointed out early. He was the only one from the top 7 scorers on that knights team that regressed in points from the previous year. Why is he the only player that gets a bye. 1 hour ago, stawns said: After a slow start to his first pro season, he ended up having one fo the best 20 year old dman seasons in Liiga False again. He had a impressive season if you only compare rookie D seasons. But as a 20 year old D man his season it was just good. It wasn’t any more impressive than ville pokka. Heck oskari laaksonen, Sabre’s 3rd round pick just produced that same p/pg this last year. 1 hour ago, stawns said: and last year he scored at a .72 ppg pace, as a rookie. Small sample size. Quinn Hughes put .6 p/gp in the NHL. As a rookie. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 12:18 PM, Honky Cat said: Looks like a hockey player.... I was going to say petty crime thief or drug dealer, but okay lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 He’ll start in the AHL but Juolevi’s busting out this year. When he cracks the NHL roster he’s going to look awesome slinging the puck up to our revamped top 6. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Ward Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 Why are there so many people on here trying to argue about OJ. He is ours. He is good. He might be great. He has had too many injuries and hasn't played in the NHL so we don't really know what he'll be. I am very optimistic because I am a Canucks fan! 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepe Silvia Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 hours ago, ilduce39 said: He’ll start in the AHL but Juolevi’s busting out this year. When he cracks the NHL roster he’s going to look awesome slinging the puck up to our revamped top 6. c'mon man this is the tkachuk thread, get out of here with all that positivity 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 8 hours ago, The 5th Line said: London finished with 106 points in 15-16. They finished with 99 points the following year. They scored 30 less goals. Completely depleted and ravaged.. One year makes a world of difference in an individual players development, it doesn't matter if the team is weaker, that one year of development can cover up a lot of the deficiencies the new team has in the following year.. He stagnated. Accept it. All of these guys were able to double or triple their production Robert Thomas 15pts 40gp following year 60pts 60gp Bouchard 17pts 43gp following year 44pts 68gp Mete 38 pts 68gp following year 44pts 50gp Pu 31 points 63gp following year 66pts 66gp Jones 52pts 63gp following year 36pts 33gp Miletic 14pts 35gp following year 55pts 65gp Juolevi 42pts 57gp following year 42 points 58gp So wait. You're saying that when Dvorak, Tkachuk and Marner all turned pro, the younger forwards below them in the lineup, were able to take on bigger roles and put up more points the next season? Next you're going to tell me that Bouchard and Mete jumped ahead of Juolevi based on their superior abilities that had nothing to do with matchups or pairings. Please tell me more. I'm learning so much. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post higgyfan Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, The 5th Line said: Huh? I'm saying that with one year of development their should of been an increase in offensive production, as there was with the other defenceman on the team like Mete and Bouchard for examples. I take matchups and pairings in to account, but it doesn't change my opinion. It was an off year for him. Then you weren't paying attention. by JD Burke (after the end of Juolevi's 2nd season for the London Knights. "A year ago, Juolevi was the preeminent offensive defenceman of his class; today it’s more common to hear him described as the exact opposite. So, what changed? If you were to look at Juolevi’s boxcar metrics alone, you’d posit that nothing changed, and that’s the exact problem. Juolevi matched his offensive outputs (42 points) from a season ago with an extra game to his credit. This is an instance where surface-level, counting stats scouting really fails the player in question, though. What actually changed was Juolevi’s role. Instead of playing in a predominantly offensive role, as he did in his draft season, Juolevi was the Knights shut down defenceman. Knights head coach Dale Hunter called on Juolevi to play with a 17-year-old defenceman as his primary partner, kill penalties on the Knights first unit and defend leads late in games. Juolevi played the ninth-highest estimated QoC (Quality of Competition) at five-on-five in the OHL last season according to www.prospect-stats.com, and in those minutes the Knights controlled 58% of the goals scored." I spent some time looking for an interview I read a couple of years ago, where Dale Hunter made similar comments regarding Olli's role in his second year, which was the reasons for his lack of improvement in his offensive stats from the previous year. Couldn't find it though. Olli's problems started with a consistent round of injuries, which has interfered with the development of his game. He has only played 56games in the 2 years since his final OHL season, which is really sad and very concerning. Whether he can catch up to the lost years of development is unknown at the moment, but if he can have a season free of injuries and the appropriate time to regain his confidence, we just might see him in the NHL at some point this season. That's what we're all hoping for, isn't it? 1 1 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 hours ago, The 5th Line said: JD Burke the guy who gets trashed here on the daily? If I had found the comments from Dale Hunter stating the same thing about OJ's stats in his final OHL year, I would have posted them. Eventually I will find the interview and I will post it. 6 hours ago, The 5th Line said: Yeah of course I'm hoping for that. He's still a solid prospect I just think his progression has been slow.. really not a big deal For sure, his progression has been slow...due to the injuries. Nobody to blame; just some really bad luck for the kid and it may end up being a big deal. Fingers crossed that he can overcome these setbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 21 hours ago, Honky Cat said: Just from the 'eye test' watching him at last seasons training camp..He was getting turnstiled on a regular basis, and in several cases he literally 'gave up on the play'. (there's no excuse for that)...Also,he needs to work on his defensive play (taking the man,instead of a flimsy poke check)...Needless to say, the coaching staff didnt dress him for the remaining exhibition games. He didn't look close to being an NHL player....To be fair, he was coming off of back surgery (and we all saw how sluggish Brock Boeser looked in the first half of last season, after his back surgery)...but still, not what should be expected from the 'safe pick' at 5th OA...(if he was taken 15th OA,we wouldnt be having this discussion). Again,I hope that OJ does become the player we all thought he could be, and he sticks it to the Calgary Flames (how many times do i have to hear them thanking us for MT). I understand people's concerns, but they are, imo, not based in reality.......outside of injuries. He's excelled at every level and shows every indication of being a top 3 dman. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 hours ago, The 5th Line said: Huh? I'm saying that with one year of development their should of been an increase in offensive production, as there was with the other defenceman on the team like Mete and Bouchard for examples. I take matchups and pairings in to account, but it doesn't change my opinion. It was an off year for him. There are so many factors as to why the offensive numbers dipped...not just match ups. Their roster was decimated, losing tkachuk, Dvorak and marner. Bunch of younger guys would eventually step up offensively, but the reason London continued to be extremely effective was because of their defensive game, led by juolevi. I wish he would be ready to step up but he's had some of the worst luck with injuries lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, stawns said: I understand people's concerns, but they are, imo, not based in reality.......outside of injuries. He's excelled at every level and shows every indication of being a top 3 dman. Much of what fans have seen of Olli's game is a young man struggling with poor conditioning, due to injuries that have limited his offseason training. Hopefully he will turn this pattern around in the upcoming season and gradually become a very good NHL dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, higgyfan said: If I had found the comments from Dale Hunter stating the same thing about OJ's stats in his final OHL year, I would have posted them. Eventually I will find the interview and I will post it. For sure, his progression has been slow...due to the injuries. Nobody to blame; just some really bad luck for the kid and it may end up being a big deal. Fingers crossed that he can overcome these setbacks. He could still have a solid 8-10 year career if he makes it in the next 3 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Much of what fans have seen of Olli's game is a young man struggling with poor conditioning Why these "fans" choose to ignore his first professional season (in Finland) is puzzling. He was outstanding and was putting up numbers up there with historical values for a teen in that league. The parallels to the success EP40 was having in Sweden were not lost on those who really followed him but seemingly by many in the Canuck marketplace. This coupled with the game he was playing in Utica (easily leading his team and in top of AHL in rookie D scoring at time of injury) it remains odd how people seem to keep creating divergent versions of this reality. 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Why these "fans" choose to ignore his first professional season (in Finland) is puzzling. He was outstanding and was putting up numbers up there with historical values for a teen in that league. The parallels to the success EP40 was having in Sweden were not lost on those who really followed him but seemingly by many in the Canuck marketplace. This coupled with the game he was playing in Utica (easily leading his team and in top of AHL in rookie D scoring at time of injury) it remains odd how people seem to keep creating divergent versions of this reality. The fellow I was referring to was commenting on his 'eye test' during training camps. Olli's performance was very good in Finland, but he didn't really shine until after Xmas; due to a limited offseason training. He really was on a roll by the time the playoffs started. He had a slow start in Utica (again after a limited offseason), but started to regain his play and then was cut short by yet another injury. Without these injuries, I believe Olli would be going into his 2nd nhl season this year. What I find exciting about this kid is that he ups his game during playoffs, which really bodes well for the Canucks. No fading flower here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 8 hours ago, The 5th Line said: JD Burke the guy who gets trashed here on the daily? Yeah of course I'm hoping for that. He's still a solid prospect I just think his progression has been slow.. really not a big deal Well sure his development has gone as plan the past season but how many d man break into the league before 21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dats hockey said: Well sure his development has gone as plan the past season but how many d man break into the league before 21? Only 3 D picked in the top 10 from the last 15 years have failed to play NHL games prior to there D+4 season. Ollie is the 4th. Edited July 25, 2019 by ForsbergTheGreat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 0 people born on the moon, have played NHL hockey, let alone on defense. Stats are fun. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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