DSVII Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Edler-Tanev Hutton-Gudbranson Sbisa-Pedan Tryamkin Larsen Dark horse - Stetcher, Subban Strengths : I think our defense is definitely more hard hitting/heavier next year. If Tryamkin and Pedan can show they belong at the NHL level, and with the addition of Guds in the top 4, under the right circumstances, we can physically punish teams when they take it into our zone and defending our slot. With the top 4 I'm also fairly confident in their ability to transition the play and carry out the puck as there is at least one strong D-man on the pairing to do so. (excepting the bottom 2) Concerns: Production from the D line is still a huge question mark. Gudbranson and Tanev does not have as high of an offensive potential, and anything past the Top 4 is questionable. Hutton and Edler are decent, but we need more. I'm also concerned about whether our defensemen are mobile enough to contend with the other team's elite stars. Being big and hard hitting is great if you can catch them. Elite scorers like Johnny Gaudreau or Patrick Kane can create space by simply being more nimble and faster than the big heavy D that are pitted against them. Lastly, deployment. All this tinkering with the roster is pointless if the coach is just going to roll the D lines without a second thought. I want to see Willie D actually apply some bench management this year. That loss in game 1 against the flames when the Flames purposely matched Monahan and Gaudreau vs Sbisa/Bieksa will always stick with me. Guds too, has his warts, and I'm still questioning his hockey sense and decision making. He struggled mightily in the Islander's series despite his ice time usage. Here's hoping he can prove it wrong. TL:DR - We got bigger/tougher, but whether we got more mobile/skilled as a defense remains to be seen. Big is useless unless you have some combination of mobility and skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Much harder to play against now. Hopefully Big Try has beast mode offseason and comes into camp in top notch conditioning. Super pumped on Gudbranson, i think he's going to be a fan favourite by xmas. Watched 25 Panthers games last year, he was a beast in almost all of them and sounds like he wants to impress in this bigger market. Dude looks jacked. exactly what we need back there, Guddy, Tryamkin,Pedan and Sbisa.... the days of our crease being a rub and tug with happy endings are over. #InBenningWeTrust Edler-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Tanev Hutton-Sbisa Pedan-Larssen Biega AHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 14 hours ago, numb3r 16 said: Only thing I wonder is Hutton is a bit older than most rookies when they suffer from the sophomore slump, maybe he'll just breeze on right through and double his point totals from last year (1 can hope) I guess only time will tell I'm gonna guess and say that Hutton's path is going to resemble that of Danny DeKeyser of the Wings. Which is to say, Hutton is not going to suffer any of the sophomore season malaise. If Hutton can turn out to be what DeKeyser has been to the Wings, I will be ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Positive Canuck said: Hopefully Big Try has beast mode offseason and comes into camp in top notch conditioning. Super pumped on Gudbranson, i think he's going to be a fan favourite by xmas. Watched 25 Panthers games last year, he was a beast in almost all of them and sounds like he wants to impress in this bigger market. Dude looks jacked. exactly what we need back there, Guddy, Tryamkin,Pedan and Sbisa.... the days of our crease being a rub and tug with happy endings are over. #InBenningWeTrust Edler-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Tanev Hutton-Sbisa Pedan-Larssen Biega AHL If you trust what Benning has been saying, then the d-corps should look like: Edler -- Tanev Hutton -- Gudbranson Sbisa/Tryamkin -- Larsen Pedan You can count on Edler missing 20 games with injuries; Tanev missing 15 games with injuries; Sbisa missing 30 games with injuries. There's going to be plenty of ice time to go around for Tryamkin, Larsen, and Pedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCK Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 43 minutes ago, J.R. said: *Technically Tanev is the PMD on that pair. Edler is a minute eating 2-way D with some offense and size. I was thinking that Tanev is more of a shutdown player whereas Edler is the one who actually carries the puck up ice and is supposed to provide offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Just now, PCK said: I was thinking that Tanev is more of a shutdown player whereas Edler is the one who actually carries the puck up ice and is supposed to provide offense. Tanev's breaks up plays well with his positioning and stick and makes a good first pass/can skate the puck out of the zone (ie: gets the puck moving). He lacks a LOT past centre ice though in his ability to actually create beyond that point. Edler is miscast commonly on CDC as an 'offensive D' and/or PMD. While he's relatively capable of skating with the puck (particularly for his size), he's a minute eating 2-way D with some offense and size. Not a PMD or 'offensive' D. He uses his frame and positioning more to break up plays and is good, not great at moving the puck but has far more offensive ability (including a better shot) than Tanev once in the offensive zone (if not at the level of a true offensive D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 23 minutes ago, HK Phooey said: If you trust what Benning has been saying, then the d-corps should look like: Edler -- Tanev Hutton -- Gudbranson Sbisa/Tryamkin -- Larsen Pedan You can count on Edler missing 20 games with injuries; Tanev missing 15 games with injuries; Sbisa missing 30 games with injuries. There's going to be plenty of ice time to go around for Tryamkin, Larsen, and Pedan. We can count on Edler not showing up or willing to throw the body 60-75% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Biega to the AHL. I have a feeling that Edler-Tanev pair will benefit greatly from addition of Gudbranson. Edler sure, the guy makes mistakes but he has been put in a pressure situation way too much last couple of seasons and I think sharing the defensive assignment with Gudbranson and with Hutton surely to have improved, I think Edler will go back to scoring 40 points. I also think that Tanev will take even more steps forward next season. He has steadily improved his play since his first season here and I don't think that's about to end. Sbisa, Tryamkin can handle 3rd pairing duties easily. I'm not really sold on Pedan yet. Hopefully he will change my mind this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Our ability to clear the net in scrums will increase but to move the puck out of our zone decrease. Will probably still be hemmed in our own zone like last year a bit too much and the offense is still lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, TimberWolf said: Our ability to clear the net in scrums will increase but to move the puck out of our zone decrease. Will probably still be hemmed in our own zone like last year a bit too much and the offense is still lacking. I think you under estimate the ability to clear the crease and physically retrieve the puck/remove it from the opposition. That should equate to opposition having the puck less and us having the puck more. Now granted we don't have a ton in the way of D who can create in the O zone when we do get it back. I don't expect our GF to go up dramatically, particularly from our D. But having the puck more WILL help the forwards create more offense and the D as well. If healthy I'm guessing we see a small uptick there just from improved possession. The bigger change will be in GA though. So a minor uptick in GF and a likely marked improvement in GA and we should see better results (if nothing mind blowing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 16 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Demote Sbisa. No one will touch that contract. Edler ..Tanev Hutton ..Gudbranson Tryamkin/Pedan..Larsen/Biega 16 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said the worst excuse for a 'poem' I've ever read. just awful, the form and the content mine eyes, my poor eyes.... thus bled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 31 minutes ago, oldnews said: 16 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said the worst excuse for a 'poem' I've ever read. just awful, the form and the content mine eyes, my poor eyes.... thus bled Never one shy, to strongly express views That would define, renowned poster Old News Now you've employed rhyme Perhaps not sublime But less a stern critic, more limerick-muse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 How do I envision our defense? Well, I usually lean back, relaxed, and try to get a mental image or mental visualization of the players. That's how I do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 2 hours ago, HK Phooey said: If you trust what Benning has been saying, then the d-corps should look like: Edler -- Tanev Hutton -- Gudbranson Sbisa/Tryamkin -- Larsen Pedan You can count on Edler missing 20 games with injuries; Tanev missing 15 games with injuries; Sbisa missing 30 games with injuries. There's going to be plenty of ice time to go around for Tryamkin, Larsen, and Pedan. This is why we can't afford to lose anyone of Pedan or Biega to waivers. These smaller injuries plus (knock on wood) anything major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 18 hours ago, harrytoolips said: This exactly, I'll be surprised if Larsson beats him into the top 6.....Try played well in that 20 game call up stint... Larsen may get in as the right hand shooting PP specialist on our 29th rated PP, while Tryamkin takes Sbisa's spot simply because Tryamkin outplays him in pretty much every aspect of the game. Pedan over Biega because Biega can be sent down - that is if we keep 7 D instead of 8 - the health of our D will determine those numbers. Edler Tanev Hutton Gudbranson Tryamkin Larsen Sbisa Pedan (if we keep 8 D) - with Pedan, Gudbranson and Tryamkin in the line-up, we'd sure be a lot tougher to play against. and that might just keep our aging forwards healthier, and MIller might be able to get run over a heckuva lot less - which might help his play. As for a dark horse - Subban in Larsen's spot. It will also be interesting to see if McEneny and Cederholm move up to Utica this year - both were big plus D's in the ECHL - both are big, tough and physical and McEneny is quite skilled. He was a 30 minute plus D man on his junior team. Hope to see these guys in the young stats tourney in Penticton - it will be really interesting to see how all the young D we have been drafting are progressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I expect A LOT more points to come from the back end of the team this season. This was the biggest flaw with the Canucks last season. SHOOT. THE. PUCK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 The thing I notice in this thread is that no one talks about Trymakin's offencive up side.Along with his solid defence last year I noticed some flashes of pretty nifty offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Large and in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 18 hours ago, apollo said: iono why but I absolutely loled at that... So much awesome randomness. I say Keith Carney - Kelly Hrudey John Garret - Alex Edler Colorado Sell Out Joe - Sopel (just wanted a reason to vent my dislike for that guy that played for avalench, wore 19... Claims to be from burnaby...) In all seriousness it's really tough to predict the pairs... Especially with question marks around tryamkin Pedan and Larsen. Haven't seen them play enough... Edler Tanev Luca Guddy Hutt ???? I wouldn't be against splitting edler and Tanev, one to Hutton's pair and then let the other guys fight out for the top spot with edler. There's potential for any of the 3 to make a good pair with edler You can't possibly be $&!#ting on Sakic. Are you???? also, that's the d line id go with too. I'd put Tryamkin on the 3rd pair. For some reason, I just don't like Larsen. I am not a fan of all offence Dmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Edler - Gudbranson (heavy minutes) Hutton - Tanev Sbisa - Tryamkin Pedan - Larsen Larsen is #7 when they dress 7 and plays powerplay. Rotates in and out with Pedan depending on opponent / injury. Both Tryamkin and Sbisa can play on the right. Biega gets demoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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