[Report] Canucks sign GM Jim Benning to contract extension

[TheRussianRocket1994]

2 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

I remember now, he did the same thing about ignoring facts so i serenaded him with del shannon, y"know to show he is loved 

 

Don't runaway from this love tryst kingofsurrey, please I'm begging you don't runaway..

 

 

 

Bahaha!!! Nailed it! 

[aGENT]

15 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

Why are you ignoring my posts?

 

On 8/18/2019 at 9:56 AM, aGENT said:

No, people with ignorant opinions who drone on about them incessantly and an inability to actually discuss anything or actually absorb facts when presented them, that don't suit their narrative, while not actually adding anything to the conversation, are.

 

[Crabcakes]

8 hours ago, aGENT said:

Maybe. It's not anything you can guarantee (either that a 'good' player will be there or that we'll pick him). Just like you can't guarantee that we'll in fact be giving up our 20 1st, we might very easily narrowly miss the playoffs and pick somewhere around 14th+/- next summer. Or, again, we might add another mid-late 1st by moving out players as well.

 

How about you just let it play out instead of preemptively getting pissed about something that may not (likely won't) even happen?  

 

You know what you can guarantee? That Miller's a good, physical, 2 way player now on a good contract to help open Pettersson's et al's window that much sooner. Any guy we draft mid-late 1st next summer is likely 2-3 years out before they even start to contribute (if they do at all). We've already got Podkolzin, Hoglander, Madden etc at F and likely Woo, Rathbone etc to be those guys arriving in a couple years. It's not like Benning moved the 1st in some no plan, hail Mary move for a bag of 'magic' beans.

 

 

Whahahat!?!  No magic beans?  Oh man, we're really in trouble......

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

For those outside Canada; and TSN plugs wont play outside the viewing region. This has been posted as a TSN link by other posters.  Here in YouTube.

 

Here is Craig Button's take on re-signing ;

 

 

Thanks Surfer - nice to see Button continuing his support for the team this summer.  Liked how Button reacted to the question what Benning should do next...

[Canuck Surfer]

1 hour ago, Crabcakes said:

Whahahat!?!  No magic beans?  Oh man, we're really in trouble......

I like magic beans...  

[BPA]

He's signed.  Move on already.  Onto the next hot topic...Boeser and LE.

[kingofsurrey]

32 minutes ago, BPA said:

He's signed.  Move on already.  Onto the next hot topic...Boeser and LE.

I concur.  Lets move forward and figure out how to win a   g  damm stanley cup....

[SilentSam]

Congratulations JB..

The positivity on this team is out weighing the negativity..

anything good that could happen in that type of environment should and will happen.

Health is key.

Historically over the past few years I think this club has flown out of the gate for 10 to 12 games and then typically we plateau off...  I’m hoping the youth, enthusiasm, and prowess that Benning has injected into this years line up, with most players being under the 29-30 yr age mark, keeps us an arm and a leg ahead of the pack through the season.

... and let’s not forget about chemistry, sure to be previlant.

St Louis found it, as did Carolina, The Avalanche and of course Vegas.

[GoldenAlien]

 

[Smashian Kassian]

On 8/20/2019 at 11:05 PM, theo5789 said:

The MacKinnon draft year was a peculiar one for the Avs management. Sakic wasn't the GM but apparently did have the final say in hockey matters. At the end of the day though, he inherited a 1st overall pick to make the decision, something the Canucks have not had in franchise history. To continue on with the Benning comparison, can you imagine if Benning picked 1st overall and said player didn't perform for the first few years (perhaps Virtanen will follow suit, just not to the same extent).

 

 

Your right on Colorado being a bubble team, Mackinnon & Rantanen have taken them up a notch alone. There's currently nothing special after that. But they are still a really young team full of placeholders.

 

I think Sakic has done a good job in pretty much every area, and his timing with some moves has been very good. But ultimately that Duchene trade his masterpiece. It really sets them up adding Byram to Makar & Girard. That's a golden opportunity to be a top team for years. Not a fair comparable for other GM's, sometimes these kind of home-run trades just happen. Like us with Luongo.

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Smashian Kassian

[Smashian Kassian]

What is Jim Benning's best trade? 

 

I do have one in mind, but I'm curious the opinions on this?

[Gollumpus]

21 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

What is Jim Benning's best trade? 

 

I do have one in mind, but I'm curious the opinions on this?

This should help folks with a poorer memory. I think this is all of them. 

 

San Jose Sharks acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Tom Pyatt 2019 6th round pick	June 22, 2019	Francis Perron 2019 7th round pick

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Tampa Bay Lightning acquire
J.T Miller	June 22, 2019	Marek Mazanec 2019 3rd round pick 2020 conditional 1st round pick

Pittsburgh Penguins acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Erik Gudbranson	February 25, 2019	Tanner Pearson

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	San Jose Sharks acquire
Linus Karlsson	February 25, 2019	Jonathan Dahlen

Edmonton Oilers acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Sam Gagner	February 16, 2019	Ryan Spooner

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	New York Rangers acquire
Marek Mazanec	February 12, 2019	2020 7th round pick

Anaheim Ducks acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Michael Del Zotto	January 17, 2019	Luke Schenn 2020 7th round pick

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Ottawa Senators acquire
Mike McKenna Tom Pyatt 2019 6th round pick	January 2, 2019	Anders Nilsson Darren Archibald

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Toronto Maple Leafs acquire
Josh Leivo	December 3, 2018	Michael Carcone

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Carolina Hurricanes acquire
Tanner Kero	June 24, 2018

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Vegas Golden Knights acquire
Brendan Leipsic	February 26, 2018	Philip Holm

Columbus Blue Jackets acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Thomas Vanek	February 26, 2018	Jussi Jokinen Tyler Motte

Los Angeles Kings acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Jordan Subban	December 8, 2017	Nic Dowd

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Pittsburgh Penguins acquire
Derrick Pouliot	October 3, 2017	Andrey Pedan 2018 4th round pick

San Jose Sharks acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Jannik Hansen	March 1, 2017	Nikolay Goldobin 2017 conditional 4th round pick

Ottawa Senators acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Alex Burrows	February 27, 2017	Jonathan Dahlen

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Florida Panthers acquire
Erik Gudbranson 2016 5th round pick	May 25, 2016	Jared McCann 2016 2nd round pick 2016 4th round pick

Carolina Hurricanes acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Dane Fox	March 7, 2016	Future considerations

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Edmonton Oilers acquire
Philip Larsen	February 24, 2016	2017 5th round pick

Calgary Flames acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Hunter Shinkaruk	February 22, 2016	Markus Grandlund

 

Nicklas Jensen 2017 6th round pick

January 8, 2016

Emerson Etem

Pittsburgh Penguins acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Nick Bonino Adam Clendening 2016 2nd round pick	July 28, 2015	Brandon Sutter 2016 condtional 3rd round pick

Montreal Canadiens acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Zack Kassian 2016 5th round pick	July 1, 2015	Brandon Prust

Anaheim Ducks acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Kevin Bieksa	June 30, 2015	2016 2nd round pick

San Jose Sharks acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Patrick McNally	June 27, 2015	2015 7th round pick

Carolina Hurricanes acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Eddie Lack	June 27, 2015	2015 3rd round pick 2015 7th round pick

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	New York Islanders acquire
Cory Conacher	March 2, 2015	Dustin Jeffrey

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Calgary Flames acquire
Sven Baertschi	March 2, 2015	2015 2nd round pick

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Chicago Blackhawks acquire
Adam Clendening	January 29, 2015	Gustav Forsling

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	New York Islanders acquire
Andrey Pedan	November 25, 2014	Alexandre Mallet 2016 3rd round pick

Edmonton Oilers acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Kellan Lain	November 20, 2014	Will Acton

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	Los Angeles Kings acquire
Linden Vey	June 28, 2014	2014 2nd round pick

Anaheim Ducks acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
2015 3rd round pick  Ryan Kesler	June 27, 2014	2014 1st round pick Luca Sbisa Nick Bonino 2014 3rd round pick

Vancouver Canucks acquire	Date	New York Rangers acquire
Derek Dorsett	June 27, 2014	2014 3rd round pick

Tampa Bay Lightning acquire	Date	Vancouver Canucks acquire
Jason Garrison Jeff Costello 2015 7th round pick	June 27, 2014	2014 2nd round pick

 

                                                      regards,  G.

[Gollumpus]

32 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

What is Jim Benning's best trade? 

 

I do have one in mind, but I'm curious the opinions on this?

I don't see any "blockbuster" type of trades, unless we're talking the Kesler deal (which was a pretty good return all things considered), or perhaps the Miller trade which has promise to be a very significant trade for what he might be able to do for the Canucks' top-6. 

 

Some will moan and groan over the Gudbranson trade (the one which brought him here, not the one which saw him got to Pittsburgh), but as we're not talking about people's opinions of the "worst trade", then who cares about that. 

 

There's a number of smaller trades which are pretty good, where the team cleared out a number of guys who maybe shouldn't have been signed, but were moved out of the organization gaining cap space if nothing else (eg. Del Zotto, Gagner). There were also some very good "smaller" deals (Vanek/Motte, 3rd/Dorsett, Garrison/2nd, 2nd/Baertschi, and so on).

 

I'd have to go with the Miller trade as the best. 

 

                                                                regards,  G.

[captainhorvat]

1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said:

What is Jim Benning's best trade? 

 

I do have one in mind, but I'm curious the opinions on this?

It could be the Miller trade but thats wait and see.

I think his best trade has been either the Baerschi, Leivo or Pearson trade...cant decide.

Edited August 22, 2019 by captainhorvat

[WeneedLumme]

6 hours ago, captainhorvat said:

It could be the Miller trade but thats wait and see.

I think his best trade has been either the Baerschi, Leivo or Pearson trade...cant decide.

I agree that Miller, Baer, Leivo and Pearson are his best several trades. Only time will tell which is the best, like I would have had Burr for Dahlen on my short list of best trades at one point before Dahlen faded off into oblivion. And like Ottawa fans would have possibly thought that same trade to be a huge win for them for the first couple of games when Burr was producing like a star for them.

[theo5789]

10 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Your right on Colorado being a bubble team, Mackinnon & Rantanen have taken them up a notch alone. There's currently nothing special after that. But they are still a really young team full of placeholders.

 

I think Sakic has done a good job in pretty much every area, and his timing with some moves has been very good. But ultimately that Duchene trade his masterpiece. It really sets them up adding Byram to Makar & Girard. That's a golden opportunity to be a top team for years. Not a fair comparable for other GM's, sometimes these kind of home-run trades just happen. Like us with Luongo.

 

And that's the thing, they're not much further ahead than us, yet many view them as contenders all built by Sakic and every move he makes is calculated and has potential for great success. Then you look here and what do we see, I would say Benning has made greater progress considering the start points and we are just a bit behind and yet we are called a bubble team and only another missed playoffs from firing Benning and starting over (not sure if some fans enjoy misery). Funny you mention placeholders because that's exactly what Benning had done too, yet they're viewed as "bad contracts" and Benning doesn't know what he's doing as a GM. It's just funny how the microscope here is so overly critical about everything while Sakic hasn't done much different and he's praised to no end.

 

That is indeed an incredible trade for Colorado. But as I mentioned that 1st was incredibly lucky. No one, even Ottawa themselves, would've predicted the disaster they would be in such a short time span. They were ready to make a push for another playoffs and they were "contenders" at the point until sh*t hit the fan. The trade would've still been decent if the 1st was 23rd overall, but not as great as it is now. With that said, like I also said, they had a Duchene (and O'Reilly) to even make that deal, they had a 1st overall to pick a MacKinnon. Benning hasn't had the luxuries and yet despite them being in the basement longer than us, we aren't far behind them IMO and we are getting past the point of having placeholders too. I wouldn't say we are contenders just yet, but I don't think Colorado is either IMO. They would need a lot of things to go right just like for us. They are only a bit ahead riding their incredibly hot line, but we've seen the WCE and I would say they had a better support cast too and still couldn't win it all either.

Edited August 22, 2019 by theo5789

[redhdlois]

 

[Bure_Pavel]

2 hours ago, theo5789 said:

And that's the thing, they're not much further ahead than us, yet many view them as contenders all built by Sakic and every move he makes is calculated and has potential for great success. Then you look here and what do we see, I would say Benning has made greater progress considering the start points and we are just a bit behind and yet we are called a bubble team and only another missed playoffs from firing Benning and starting over (not sure if some fans enjoy misery). Funny you mention placeholders because that's exactly what Benning had done too, yet they're viewed as "bad contracts" and Benning doesn't know what he's doing as a GM. It's just funny how the microscope here is so overly critical about everything while Sakic hasn't done much different and he's praised to no end.

 

That is indeed an incredible trade for Colorado. But as I mentioned that 1st was incredibly lucky. No one, even Ottawa themselves, would've predicted the disaster they would be in such a short time span. They were ready to make a push for another players and they were "contenders" at the point until sh*t hit the fan. The trade would've still been decent if the 1st was 23rd overall, but not as great as it is now. With that said, like I also said, they had a Duchene (and O'Reilly) to even make that deal, they had a 1st overall to pick a MacKinnon. Benning hasn't had the luxuries and yet despite them being in the basement longer than us, we aren't far behind them IMO and we are getting past the point of having placeholders too. I wouldn't say we are contenders just yet, but I don't think Colorado is either IMO. They would need a lot of things to go right just like for us. They are only a bit ahead riding their incredibly hot line, but we've seen the WCE and I would say they had a better support cast too and still couldn't win it all either.

Colorado is much farther ahead than us, we havent even made the playoffs yet. They got past the first round last year, and are among the favourites out of the west to compete for the Stanley Cup this year. This still have over $15 million in cap space and no bad contracts on the books as well (still have to resign Rantanen).

Edited August 22, 2019 by Bure_Pavel

[theo5789]

8 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Colorado is much farther ahead than us, we havent even made the playoffs yet. They got past the first round last year, and are among the favourites out of the west to compete for the Stanley Cup this year. This still have over $15 million in cap space and no bad contracts on the books as well.

Prior to their two recent playoffs, they missed the playoffs 6 out of the 7 seasons, with the one season being a 1st round exit. We have missed the playoffs 5 of the past 6 seasons, also with the one season being a 1st round exit. And prior to that, it still looks abysmal for the Avs while the Canucks were a Cup contending team. It's no surprise that they should be ahead of us at this point considering they've been poorer longer and have received a coveted 1st overall pick during this time, but the gap isn't as big as some are portraying.

 

Where have they improved since last season that makes them serious contenders? They lost Barrie, but they're banking on a rookie in Makar to take over. Not impossible and he's going to put up decent numbers, but he's still a rookie taking over the duties of a vet. Not much else has changed on defense for them unless another rookie in Byram makes the team. Girard is a year older as a boost, but Johnson and Cole are also a year older into the realm of the 30s, who some deem to be in for steep declines (at least if they're Canucks).

 

On forward, they've added Kadri who has potential to be a decent 2nd line center if he keeps his head together. But they lost some offense in the meantime by losing Kerfoot. They also lost a vet in Soderberg who quietly put up nearly 50 points and was their primary defensive center to boot. They added a vet in Donskoi who's a decent 3rd line winger, but doesn't replace what Soderberg brought. So what else have they done? Added Burakovsky who has potential to be a 40 point winger (very Baertschi-like), but has seen his production dropped (for all those that criticize the Miller trade because he dipped in production after playing 3rd line minutes, yet seem to believe in the potential of this guy who's proven less). Keep in mind here that Sakic gave up a 2nd and a 3rd round pick for him too for a Baertschi type player (for those draft pick lovers) and Washington was in a tight cap situation where they almost didn't even qualify Burakovsky (again for those who suggest Miller was a cap dump and we shouldn't have paid such a high price). Finally they've added Nichushkin, who somehow suddenly has a lot of potential to be a big piece for the Avs should he find his game despite having 0 goals last season.

 

Now onto what I believe will be the most critical part for the Avs success. Goaltending. They've lost their regular starter in Varlamov. Now maybe he simply wasn't the guy to take them to the promised land (I suspect his numbers will look better in NYI's tighter system), but now they are entrusting the job to essentially a career backup in Grubauer. He's no longer insulated with another starting type goalie and now he's the guy. This will be similar to us with Markstrom, but we will see if they get the Markstrom that started with us or the one that finished last year with us because that's going to be a big difference. Currently their backup is Francouz who is a 29 year old with 2 NHL games to his name. I don't see a lot of promise in their future here either from their prospects. You can have the best team in front of you, but shaky goaltending can cripple a team (see WCE days).

 

They currently have 15 million in cap space, but Rantanen is going to take a big chunk out of that. I'll say he'll get roughly 9 million a year. So that really leaves them with 6 million in cap space. Well IMO, our only "bad" contract is LE who happens to be a 6 million dollar hit. We also got hit with a recapture losing another 3 million. Benning already knew that we would be in tough cap situation and has said and planned accordingly and we can still get our entire team locked despite all of this. We will have cap cleared over the next 3 years for signings and then a nice surge after that 3 year mark with ELCs like Podkolzin and maybe Hoglander by then as well. We are only going to just start to see our decent draft picks filling into the lineup over the next 5 years to help with our cap situation.

 

I think the Avs have a good young team coming up that we will be competing with and maybe having a rivalry like back in the early 2000's. I just don't believe they are truly as far ahead as some make it seem. So it's either we could be looking like a contender as well or the Avs simply aren't as strong because I think both clubs are quite close (with the advantage to the Avs if their goaltending holds up) at this point after this offseason.

[Smashian Kassian]

So my answer to the trade question is Gudbranson for Pearson, pretty easily.

Just moving Gudbranson without retaining was a success, but getting Pearson back (assuming he continues to play well here) is a home-run.

 

My 2nd choice would probably be Bieksa for a 2nd. It was good value for a player who had already begun to decline. Its too bad they never ended up using the pick.

 

Baertschi for 2nd (R. Andersson) wasn't bad, but it wasn't amazing either. It was fair value given up. Andersson looks like a really nice young defender for Calgary. If given the opportunity to have a mulligan & have Andersson instead you might do that.

 

Leivo was a great trade, but he's not significant enough a player for it to be the best.

 

JT Miller trade is still up in air. And it, kinda like Sven, was fair value going both ways. Ultimately still TBD how it turns out.